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#141 - Posted 18 August 2008, 9:26 AM
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RE: Friends and Prices
mountainfrog, i am the quintessential real estate ignoramus, so when i use figures it is only for illustration and effect. however, your quotations about the cost of land in Las Terrenas and other such places has borne out my contention of a year ago, in which i stated that a parallel real estate economy would develop. locals are trying to buy real estate with dominican paychecks, while foreigners are competing for the same land with European and north american wherewithal. guess who wins the prize? so, if the situation continues apace, all the prime land will end up in the hands of expatriates, while dominicans settle for scrubland. as for the issue of friends; i am very reluctant to use the term " friend", because that word implies something more profound than people like to realise. however, most foreigners i know have only one dominican associate, their partner. a guy will have his novia, but wants nothing to do with other dominicans. the same applies to the women. when they are out alone with their compatriots, they spend endless hours flagellating everything dominican, leaving one to wonder why they bother to stay here!. i mean, what the heck is wrong with all these guys who have been here for 15 and 20 years, yet cannot speak more than a few spanish phrases? beyond "donde esta el bano " and otra cerveza por favor", they haven't the faintest clue!!
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#142 - Posted 18 August 2008, 10:00 AM
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... locals are trying to buy real estate with dominican paychecks, while foreigners are competing for the same land with European and north american wherewithal. guess who wins the prize? so, if the situation continues apace, all the prime land will end up in the hands of expatriates, while dominicans settle for scrubland.

Partly true.
True, however, also is, that wealthy Dominicans buy up large parcels of land (we are talking about thousands of tareas) for speculation. And we all know those families, don't we?
Then, when the land is sold again, no questions are asked about the people who buy it and/or where their money comes from.
We all know those 'families', don't we?


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....a guy will have his novia, but wants nothing to do with other dominicans. the same applies to the women..(...).... who have been here for 15 and 20 years, yet cannot speak more than a few spanish phrases?

Partly true.
However, there are quite a lot of 'gringos' who do socialize with their Dominican environment, some even having a very socioromantic view about the (new) culture.
It's the Dominican 'High Society' of which many members could not care less about expatriates. THERE the women talk about US life style and OMG (pronounced gaaaad) is every third expression.
Their intellectual level is better not be explored too much...

All right, my Spanish may leave to be desired (in grammar) but I can make myself understood, read newspapers and even communicate with my wife....

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#143 - Posted 18 August 2008, 10:25 AM
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frog, you understand things very well, vis a vis the local culture. in my experience, it is almost impossible for a gringo to penetrate the circle of educated, priveleged dominicans. they are supremely classist, and have no use for most other people, whom they see as being beneath them. i have been introduced to some of those types at social events, and they generally acknowledge your existence with grudging acquiescence.
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#144 - Posted 18 August 2008, 10:30 AM
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USADR, the main asset of this country is the decency of the common man. i am yet to see more generous and selfless people anywhere. it is possibly because they are so decent and trusting that they allow themselves to be abused by all and sundry. Arsenio Lembert gave me a royal tongue lashing because i invoked the habits of english caribbean peoples, who do not take shorts from foreigners. i mentioned before that i spent some time in costambar in the past, and it pained me to see a bunch of gringos set up a gate to restrict the movement of locals who wanted to use the beach. it broke my heart to see women walking long distances, with little children in tow, crying in the noonday heat. all because gringo did not want " too many of them " in their colony. that crap would not fly in the british isles. it is the same feeling i get when i see Mr Dom showing off all these monuments to opulence in his daily real estate fiesta. who is going to occupy these magnificent structures, given the realities of the dominican economy? yes, sure, Dom and his buddies will probably be making beaucoup money selling beachfront lots to guys from Odessa, who will hire a dominican maid and gardener, and avail themselves of the services of one of the million limpiabotas. then, in twenty years, these guys will have so much power and influence, they will be able to get a permit to set up a brothel across the street from your mother's house!!!


Well dreadlocks, I personally think that's the sacrifice the dominican government is willing to make.
A good way to summarize the phenomenon will be looking at the rabbit versus the turtle race. DR to me is like the rabbit, they are fast, they have the momentum and resources to place DR on top in the carribean. Yet, they forget that its not just speed that will get you to that destination. Like in the cartoons, it is the turtle who wins the race. DR is too focused in getting to the finished line with its economic boom and momentum in the real estate. They are slowly forgetting that the advancement of of DR does not solely rely on just getting the glitzy real estate and investments from unknown sources. It relies on the advancement of bonafide DOMINICANS being able as a people to reap the success of a country. Giving an ignorant person higher salaries and more benefits, they will use up all of it in booze and women. Give an educated and wise man higher salaries, he will save and invest it in his country. My all time fear would be for DR to have all of this economic boom and investments in real estate, to only find out that nothing is fixed for the common folk. What's the purpose of giving all your country men jobs as gardeners and hotel workers, when they can't afford to buy food with their income. In a way, it gives a false sense of hope. This is probably needed to be discussed in another thread. But why is the cost of food so expensive in a country where 80% of the food is grown and raised in DR. I dunno what to say, but playing devils advocate, I can see why a poor boy from the barrios main dream is to become a politician. This is the probably the only way that they can make it out of the barrio. I feel that DR may find itself being ANALLY RAPED by foreigners in the end if it doesn't start thinking about the long term goals for the country.

To MRDOM, nothing but respect goes out to you for your pride with the real estate development. I am not bashing you because I must say some of those structures are amazing. I was only commenting on what's going on with the common day dominican. Im sure they are being offered more jobs, but what's the purpose of have a job when you can't still afford some of your basic necessities.

As for FranktheTank and Cibaeno, I am trying to think of a name. Anonymous was my name, but i guess its not good enough. Soo im going to make a debut with the new name by next week.


Anonymous,
Good post.

I feel the same way. As a Dominican, yes I feel proud that all these beautiful construction projects which will bring more money into DR will attract, but I am seeing what you are seeing. Where are all the economic adivers that I hope Leonel employs?
They are thinking of today and right now. The number one thing they can invest in which they will make a better DR is in the educational system as unromantic/unglamourous as it sounds. The whole education sytem needs to be overhauled and brung up to par to the best in the Americas, not at the bottom as it is now.
You can even tie this in with the high amount of illegal Haitian immigration, these construction conglomerates brought at least some of it on.
I see some resemblance to the US immigration problem, at first they were okay with it to a certain level, then it became a problem. The difference is the DR has no where near the resources, experience or sophistication in dealilng with this that the US has. That and the corruption.
I also hope the Haitian posters on here don't take it personally when I express my feelings on the illegal Haitian immigration problem, I blame DR for creating at least some of it themselves and setting themselves up for easy targets by the hypocritical international community and various NGO's.
I'm sure Haitian posters on here can understand how a Dominican would feel when it seem's his country is receiving a massive flow of illegal immigrants, while at the same time DR cannot even take care of it's own poor. If this scenario were reversed I believe we would be seeing the same reactions from Haitians.
I wonder how long term do DR's leaders look at things,probably 4 years at max (enough to make their own money while still in power)
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#145 - Posted 18 August 2008, 10:32 AM
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RE: Boom in Dominican Republic
In the Barahona area there are a group of developers from Paraiso who are not only working on a true eco-luxury project, where there is a re-forestation phase of the project. But also are working with varoius international foundations to create local jobs such as seamstress for embroideries for and farming cooperatives.

The difference between this project and others is that this one is created by a local developers from the area with understanding and desire to see his community progress as well as himself.
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#146 - Posted 18 August 2008, 3:40 PM
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I am American Born with most family coming from Santiago. I have been visiting Dom. Rep. since my childhood during summers and this is way back and for a while as I am now 44 years old. For the first time I have an interest in permanently moving to DR and is a challenge mostly for the uncertainty that Dominican live every day with economy, jobs and politics.

DR has come a long way as lots of money has been flowing for years now. And is good to see a few get rich while most of the rest basically have a hard time and what they know best is how to survive. I hope to see DR's people not just surviving buy enjoying their countries resources.

DR's boom well, I can say is awesome construction!!! Bu you would never catch me putting my life at risk living in one of those towers!! No way!

WIth so much land!!!! and 3-4 story buildings! why put yourself at risk that way! DR has dome quite a bit and we have come a long way. But to make high rises using tree thumbs to hold the next floor cement platform is not a building I can trust. But then again is not just trust, is in fact codes etc!

I just do not know! I would want my kids trying to evacuate from one of those towers! No way!
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#147 - Posted 18 August 2008, 4:40 PM
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I am American Born with most family coming from Santiago. I have been visiting Dom. Rep. since my childhood during summers and this is way back and for a while as I am now 44 years old. For the first time I have an interest in permanently moving to DR and is a challenge mostly for the uncertainty that Dominican live every day with economy, jobs and politics.

DR has come a long way as lots of money has been flowing for years now. And is good to see a few get rich while most of the rest basically have a hard time and what they know best is how to survive. I hope to see DR's people not just surviving buy enjoying their countries resources.

DR's boom well, I can say is awesome construction!!! Bu you would never catch me putting my life at risk living in one of those towers!! No way!

WIth so much land!!!! and 3-4 story buildings! why put yourself at risk that way! DR has dome quite a bit and we have come a long way. But to make high rises using tree thumbs to hold the next floor cement platform is not a building I can trust. But then again is not just trust, is in fact codes etc!

I just do not know! I would want my kids trying to evacuate from one of those towers! No way!



Believe me, you're not the only one which would not for the life of him wager a cent on these buildings remaining intact were a nasty earthquake to happen (and God knows that our island have had its fair share of those).
Edited on 8/18/2008 4:41 PM by Lautaro.
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#148 - Posted 30 August 2008, 12:15 AM
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looking to work,any help?
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#149 - Posted 30 August 2008, 1:33 PM
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Less Talking and More Pictures.... KEEP THEM COMING MR.DOM
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#150 - Posted 31 August 2008, 2:47 PM
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It's great to see the beauty of the country and it's growing opp for construction. How do I get in the construction there? I have 24 years of structural concrete experience and would love to add to the beauty of the D.R. If any can answer this question call me @ 904 583 5373. Mike
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