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#41 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:07 AM
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Hispalano, that house nigger comment is uncalled for. Te pasaste hermano. I've followed shin's comments. The man is very proud of his heritage. You didn't need to go there simply because you disagreed with him. You should admit you're wrong and apoligize to the man. I'm not saying to agree with him or even to like him, but at least be civil.
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#42 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:13 AM
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why in the World can Dominicans and Haitians not see the hatred n racism when they express it themselves on here?


Well why can't you see it in your own expressions? Listen not many initially jumped down the throats of a guy like Arca because his all-caps posts are buffoonery. What you seem to be missing is that you and them are two sides of one coin; you agitate, they responded with their nonsense, but then you respond the same way and go off on mad rants insulting people or whole groups of people.

"House" really makes it worse, not better. There was talk on the thread earlier of how people of color of different shades are racist to each other, and this is a prime example of it. Worse "House" and the way you used it adds the notion that somehow being educated makes you less black. Hispano you really need to take a step back and see that the blindness & bigotry you accuse the rest of us of showing too often shines in your own words on this board!
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#43 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:23 AM
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why in the World can Dominicans and Haitians not see the hatred n racism when they express it themselves on here?


Well why can't you see it in your own expressions? Listen not many initially jumped down the throats of a guy like Arca because his all-caps posts are buffoonery. What you seem to be missing is that you and them are two sides of one coin; you agitate, they responded with their nonsense, but then you respond the same way and go off on mad rants insulting people or whole groups of people.

"House" really makes it worse, not better. There was talk on the thread earlier of how people of color of different shades are racist to each other, and this is a prime example of it. Worse "House" and the way you used it adds the notion that somehow being educated makes you less black. Hispano you really need to take a step back and see that the blindness & bigotry you accuse the rest of us of showing too often shines in your own words on this board!


Dominicans are not racist. Some just don't like Haitians b/c of historical differences. We need to get over those differences. Recommendations have been made in the past about how to do so. I just get angry when Dominicans are labelled as racist when it really isn't that.
Edited on 6/13/2008 11:24 AM by ny4life.
#44 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:32 AM
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Hispalano, that house nigger comment is uncalled for. Te pasaste hermano. I've followed shin's comments. The man is very proud of his heritage. You didn't need to go there simply because you disagreed with him. You should admit you're wrong and apoligize to the man. I'm not saying to agree with him or even to like him, but at least be civil.


Listen all,

I do not mind people disagree with me as we are all entitled to our own views. However apologize I will not because simply this is not a babysitting forum. I will call any person of color a "House Nigger" who are in denial and will not break away from the Chains of Slavery...

It is as though they take the chains from their feet and right to the mind thus what we called Mental Slavery. It is rather a shame really. This goes out to all people of colors who have yet chosen to get off the Denial Wagon and who have not yet come together to realize the differences we are babbling about are simply made-up, inherited division given to us by our former slave owners and masters and we as stupid as we are, we are feeding exactly what they expect of us to continue on doing which is to actually believe that we are different. Especially when it comes to Dominicans & Haitians who rather relies on hatred, racism and past resentments to keep us divided when we are one bloody Island as though the problems were created by one or the other. Although I feel where you are coming from. If we could find such condescendence in that term, I feel we should too in the way we treat each other as Dominicans and Haitians and we are grown ass men who tend to sit on our butts tearing each other apart by placing blames and do all kind of Verbal Masturbations and circular motion of words awaiting for Governments to start bring about changes when we are the hope for change. Yes, us, we the youths of supposedly tomorrow that we have yet to take into obligation that is ours to seize. Sure, make me the villain I am willing to incur this as my sacrifice to the Island... It makes me feel good that for once we could take the focus off each other as Dominicans and Haitians and turn it all on me. I am willing to take away all your hatreds, hate me instead I do not mind, but try to get along yourselves. France, Spain, Portugal and all those other White-Europeans invaders and their descendent are the one inflicting this kind of belief into your minds. If they had not succeeded at keeping us as slaves physically, they sure has kept us salves mentally yet we never throw the blame on them.

Instead we have those who have glorified them and decided and claim they are all kinds of mix before they can realize or even accept they have the African blood running in them. but choose to see the inferiority in those who resemble African and say they are to blame. That is far worse than to ever call someone a "House Nigger" and if anyone is abiding to the teachings of past barbarism of those past conquerors well the term stands firm and implied for them as well.

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Edited on 6/13/2008 11:33 AM by NègMawon.
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#45 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:33 AM
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"Dominicans are not racist."

I have to disagree Ny4life, and it's not only against haitians. Let me relate a story that demonstrates the subtle forms of Dominican racism. A few years ago I went with my cousin to visit a classmate from college who happened to be from Santiago and who's vacation coincided with mine. Her family lived in a ritzy part of Santiago in a huge home. They were all very light-skinned Dominicans, as am I. My cousin however, looks like the rapper snoop dog, same color and everything (I call him snoop all the time)..anyway, when my classmate's cousins came through, a bevy of beautiful light-skinned Dominican women who didn't know my cousin or myself, they all said hello to me by kissing me on the cheek. Each and every single one of them. My cousin? They each briskly shaked his hand. Each and every single one of them. It may not be racism in the "fuck you nigger" sense but it is a form of racism none the less. Like I said it's just subtle, that's all.
#46 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:43 AM
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"Dominicans are not racist."

I have to disagree Ny4life, and it's not only against haitians. Let me relate a story that demonstrates the subtle forms of Dominican racism. A few years ago I went with my cousin to visit a classmate from college who happened to be from Santiago and who's vacation coincided with mine. Her family lived in a ritzy part of Santiago in a huge home. They were all very light-skinned Dominicans, as am I. My cousin however, looks like the rapper snoop dog, same color and everything (I call him snoop all the time)..anyway, when my classmate's cousins came through, a bevy of beautiful light-skinned Dominican women who didn't know my cousin or myself, they all said hello to me by kissing me on the cheek. Each and every single one of them. My cousin? They each briskly shaked his hand. Each and every single one of them. It may not be racism in the "fuck you nigger" sense but it is a form of racism none the less. Like I said it's just subtle, that's all.


como....ya veo como es la vaina.....es que ello pensaban que tu primo hablaba ingles como snoop entonces se pusieron incomodas.....jajaja....i guess so...
#47 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:48 AM
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why in the World can Dominicans and Haitians not see the hatred n racism when they express it themselves on here?


Well why can't you see it in your own expressions? Listen not many initially jumped down the throats of a guy like Arca because his all-caps posts are buffoonery. What you seem to be missing is that you and them are two sides of one coin; you agitate, they responded with their nonsense, but then you respond the same way and go off on mad rants insulting people or whole groups of people.

"House" really makes it worse, not better. There was talk on the thread earlier of how people of color of different shades are racist to each other, and this is a prime example of it. Worse "House" and the way you used it adds the notion that somehow being educated makes you less black. Hispano you really need to take a step back and see that the blindness & bigotry you accuse the rest of us of showing too often shines in your own words on this board!


Dominicans are not racist. Some just don't like Haitians b/c of historical differences. We need to get over those differences. Recommendations have been made in the past about how to do so. I just get angry when Dominicans are labelled as racist when it really isn't that.


Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Look up "House Nigger" and no most likely you may not or not going to find it in regular dictionary. A "House Nigger" is an involuntary servant of the master who is not on the plantation field, but instead in the house that after a while starts believing that he is not a slave and turned against the slaves on the outsides without realizing that he himself is still a slave.

Most of us, be it we are Dominicans or Haitians, or some of many other people of colors are still acting with the "House Nigger" type of mentality catering to the need and purpose of the false taught notions of the master or slave owner. I am glad you are all beginning to see what can be considered offensive and not. Perhaps both Dominicans & Haitians can start realizing common grounds toward peace. If you are a person of color but has yet to realize simply because you are stuck at looking at your hair that is curly or straight or pigmentation that is to a remote color of former white europeans who themselves do not see you as noting more than a person of color than that someone is a "House Nigger"

We are people of color and instead of empowering each other we have felt the need to bash, blame and hate each other by giving in to past resentments and made-up differences instilled by those who wanted or perhaps still do want to control us. We rather do injustice in all inhumane ways possible to each other, instead of try to embrace one another. As the youths now, we have been nothing but miserable excuses instead of engaging of being part of the solutions for our own future.

P.S: "The future is not a gift; it is an achievement. Every generation helps make its own future. This is the essential challenge of the present." Robert F. Kennedy.

Edited on 6/13/2008 11:51 AM by NègMawon.
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#48 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:54 AM
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YoSoyHispanolano previously said:

why in the World can Dominicans and Haitians not see the hatred n racism when they express it themselves on here?


Well why can't you see it in your own expressions? Listen not many initially jumped down the throats of a guy like Arca because his all-caps posts are buffoonery. What you seem to be missing is that you and them are two sides of one coin; you agitate, they responded with their nonsense, but then you respond the same way and go off on mad rants insulting people or whole groups of people.

"House" really makes it worse, not better. There was talk on the thread earlier of how people of color of different shades are racist to each other, and this is a prime example of it. Worse "House" and the way you used it adds the notion that somehow being educated makes you less black. Hispano you really need to take a step back and see that the blindness & bigotry you accuse the rest of us of showing too often shines in your own words on this board!



Yes, yes, yes,

I am glad you all know this much and feel much appalled... perhaps we can all use this energy to come together instead of each time individually pretend we are mad at one person for being utterly condescending, but to only later on continue with the same rituals of hatred and bigotry. What is our role as the generation of youth we are now?

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#49 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:55 AM
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This goes out to all people of colors who have yet chosen to get off the Denial Wagon and who have not yet come together to realize the differences we are babbling about are simply made-up, inherited division given to us by our former slave owners and masters and we as stupid as we are, we are feeding exactly what they expect of us to continue on doing which is to actually believe that we are different.


YOU are the one who keeps bringing the division up more than anybody else on this board.

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we are grown ass men who tend to sit on our butts tearing each other apart by placing blames and do all kind of Verbal Masturbations and circular motion of words


Again, Neg you are one who often behaves this way on this forum.

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Sure, make me the villain I am willing to incur this as my sacrifice to the Island... It makes me feel good that for once we could take the focus off each other as Dominicans and Haitians and turn it all on me. I am willing to take away all your hatreds, hate me instead I do not mind, but try to get along yourselves.


Well now I see why you were being called Jesus Well you have at least accomplished this, because Dominicans, Haitians, leftists and rightists, we're all asking you to CHILL OUT. We didn't ask for a messiah!

Here is one thing I hope you have considered in your crusade Neg, and I say this as a man fully aware, conscious, and embracing of African roots in my family. When a person of color decides to make their life's crusade to spread black consciousness, that can be good and well. But when race consciousness completely overrides him; when race dictates everything he sees in music, culture, philosophy, education, history, politics, EVERYTHING he converses about or thinks about...do you know what he has done then? He has sentenced himself to the plantation. He is no better than what you call a house ni**er; perhaps worse because he would rather burn the entire house down than have anything to do with the white sons of the old masters, even though he likely shares their heritage in his blood and language as fully as they do.

Just something I hope you think about because you come across on this forum to be someone completely dominated and identified with race consciousness. I would hope that isn't how you are off the internet

Edited on 6/13/2008 11:57 AM by Manhattanite.
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#50 - Posted 13 June 2008, 11:58 AM
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"como....ya veo como es la vaina.....es que ello pensaban que tu primo hablaba ingles como snoop entonces se pusieron incomodas.....jajaja....i guess so..."

cada ves que el anda con migo lo confunden con un joe y a el le fascina...lolol..but yea we never spoke about that particular incident but I'm certain it must've bothered him on some level...the fact that he didn't even feel a need to mention it just relates to me that it's a situation that he's learned to deal with, or learned his place as some would have it, which is in itself a sad commentary on Dominican race relations.