THE LONG DEEP ROOTED HATRED OF MY HISPANOLAN RELATIVES.
By Wilgeens Rosenberg

My relatives are Haitians as also they are Dominicans. With all the hatred, the feud and the resentment my Hispaniolan family share, I love both relatives as ironically is their relationship... I did not get to choose my family nor where neither of them both are from.

My Dominican relatives are kind to me and has never shown me the hatred they hold in their hearts for my Haitian relatives. As for my Haitian relatives are also compassionate and have never allowed me to see the conflicting issues with my Dominican relatives. However, the neighbors of my Dominican family have looked at me with discontent and so have the neighbors of my Haitian family which also have spoken to me distantly. Without realizing, both families have made it for me a sad complexed story to live with, the kind of vice limbo and harsh unnecessary pain I might inherited from the both of them are also my own shame of them both.

As I sat at dinner with my Haitian relatives, I hear of great stories as I see and hear they speak of great cultures and history as I have sat at breakfast with my Dominican Relatives and was told of great traditions and history as well. How can two relatives of mine can have so much love for me yet hate each other with so much passion? I have watched both my relatives going through their separate struggles before my eyes, the kind of calamity which have blinded them both from seeing the cohesion necessary to move beyond petty past mistakes as I hope and I am grateful of both relatives of which I never have gotten to choose by race to be a part of them and I dreamed that they will become as close as friends to each other as I feel toward them so dearly.

They are both beautiful people since they have shown me they both want the best for their families. The only difference is that my Dominican relatives have gotten cocky about their recent economical gains and my Haitian relatives have depleted theirs to pay back those who have felt that the revolt and struggle against them is their today's revenge.

Dominicans are not cocky at all. Nor are they full of hatred as you say. What other nation has pleaded to the international community as much as has the DR for the international community to offer help to Haiti?

Dominicans are not rich, you are acting as if we were Switzerland. The DR is an emerging economy. In stead of you worrying so much about Dominicans try to do something for the benefit of your people. I would suggest that you set up a website for Haitians to exchange ideas, discuss their issues and their economic and political developments.

Please stop trying to feed wood on a fire that died out in 1844!

Get over it already, the DR is a free and sovereign state as is Haiti. We are neighbours and should cooperate. What we cannot have is an open border policy, because it would be economically and environmentally unsustainable and dangerous to the preservation of the cultural identity of both Dominicans and Haitians.

Really? Dominican Republic has pleaded to the International Community to offer Haiti help yet are inhumanly treating Haitians wrong in DR that Human Rights Activists always seem to find wrong doings and mistreatments that have too often been racially motivated? Do you have prove of those documents, because I would like to read on it...

Listen to you "try to do something for the benefit of your people" Again I like how Dominicans like to dismiss me being part Dominican the minute my posts is geared toward some sense of Pro-Haitian stance; I am both people. I am indeed the Dominican you seem to be thinking that I hate and the Haitian that you seem to just throw out like it is a bad thing to be Haitian. Obviously what I wrote up there was still not a contrast to show you my love for both Nations enough that you have to tarnish it with negativism, but that is okay I welcome you exposing yourself like this by establishing your platform. There are pages and forum where Haitians go to discuss Haitian matters and not once on those sites have I sen a post negative about DR nor would a Dominican has the balls to actually go on a Haitian site because they feel they do not have to simply because they are stuck in supremacist belief that they are better than Haitians and that they do not need to co-existence cohesion with Haiti because they are not going through what Haiti is facing right now as a Nation. Yeah, coming with that crap that DR has been asking the International Community for help for Haiti. DR would love nothing more short to see Haiti always be in the condition they are in simply because a stable and progressive Haiti would threaten DR's economy.

Lol you are right on this one! Dominicans are not rich, but many seem to act like so they are rich but mostly based the premise of that wealth on skin pigmentation. Do not worry dear friend, I bash Haitians too for not taking steps to become self sufficient themselves so that perhaps other nations will stop looking down on them because of their now state and conditions. And I agree with you that an open border for any shared border Countries may be an issue, no doubt, but it is of no justification why denying generations of children and Grandchildren of an illegal migrant their Dominican birth certificates. Now can you imagine if America was to do that to many Dominicans and other foreigners who came to the USA illegally and have to find out their children and grand children have to suffer the consequences of their misfortunes of being illegal immigrants too?

"I am both people."

Indeed it is your right to make such a claim but that is not the reality for most Haitians and Dominicans. You need to respect that fact.

Yeah exactly Cibaeno,

Believe me I agree and understand your point No es la realidad para ellos, sin duda y embargo lo que no podemos hacer es respetar la injusticia y la inhumanidad de los Haitianos y los Dominicanos como o la forma en que tienen o aun el odio que permite a mantenerlos divididos like that, understand? We both can rise above that and it is not that complicated as we both Haitians and Dominicans have made it so.

Dear friend, I go to DR all the time as much as I go to Haiti each time I go, My mother just came from there in DR because she has to go vote in the election as she said she is not going to vote in a Dr election while not being in the actual soil to get the best feel for her voice. I never knew I could vote in DR, but I never pushed for to try to vote, now I know I can and I may not be able to in Haiti but I was born there I am not sure how it really works since I see now they have given two Prime Minister Nominees a hard time in that area in Haiti. I volunteered my time in many missionary work on both side of the Island all in the effort to see peace.

I love my Brahma beer or (Presidente is too expensive now lol), I love my Brugal con run and Brugal in Sugar cane juice. Yeah, you did not know about that Brugal in Cane huh (lol). When I go to Haiti I love my Haitian food and parties just like when I am in DR. I have seen the beauty and ugliness of both sides, but I have seen the hope and possibility there could be if guys like you, NY4LIFE and LAUTARO maybe not so much me can accomplish if we educate as you are doing continuously those with divisive and hatred views on both aisles.

MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES DENY CITIZENSHIP BASED ON BIRTH TO CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL PARENTS. GERMANY, THE NETHERLANDS, DENMARK AND MANY OTHERS. SO YOU SHOULD NOT COMPARE THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC WITH USA. USA HAS LOTS LOTS OF SPACE, LITERALLY. THEIR COUNTRY IS HUGE.

THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC ONLY HAS LIKE 48.000 KM2. AND WITH A POPULATION OF OVER 9 MILLION PEOPLE IT IS ONE OF THE 15 MOST POPULOUS COUNTRIES (PER SQUARE KM) IN THE WORLD! OVER 50% OF OUR POPULATION IS YOUNGER THAN 25 YEARS SO THAT COULD INDICATE THAT OUR POPULATION COULD GROW EXPONENTIALLY IN THE COMING YEARS. WE CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT PERMIT UNCONTROLLED MASS INFLOW OF HAITIANS INTO THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.

GRANTING CITIZENSHIP TO HAITIAN NATIONALS BORN ON OUR SOIL WOULD ONLY GIVE A SIGNAL FOR MORE HAITIANS TO COME. IN A COUPLE OF GENERATIONS YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION LIKE IN KOSOVO, WHERE ALBANIAN IMMIGRANTS TOOK OVER AFTER SEVERAL CENTURIES OF LIVING IN THAT SERBIAN PROVINCE.

IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL, YOUR CHILDREN HAVE YOUR NATIONALITY. THAT IS THE DOMINICAN LAW. RESPECT IT OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. NEITHER YOU NOR YOUR PITIFUL NGO`S ARE GOING TO CHANGE THAT. THAT IS THE WILL OF THE DOMINICAN PEOPLE AND THEIR DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED AND SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEIR WILL IS ACTED UPON.

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However can you sincerely say why that is so when Dominicans do not apply that same constitutional law against white foreign tourists or white Caucasians who have kids in DR whom many of them after a while living in DR their documents have expired and became illegal themselves and whom do not even bother to fix those Documents.

Sure and of course DR is an independent self-Governing sovereign Country and do not have to cater to NGO's demands, but Domincans have denied even Dominicans who they feel might be of Haitian mixture their Cedulas as well. Do not come here and give me this Hypocritical DR Article 15 Constitutional law crap when it is not applicable and enforced for every being in that Country but a small group of people whom the premise for that and such law is to directly discriminate against that small group based on the divisive history and skin color premises. When was the last time DR have deported or expatriate a White Foreigner in DR who is there illegal? Let me guess, you are going to tell me that there are none.

Just like the DR's constitution did not allowed for a President to have a back to back presidential terms and that was eradicated and they did so under pressure to accommodate and establish the Double Nationality laws which was never always so as it is today for DR.

So enlighten me, you are in the Netherlands as an illegal Dominican? Indeed I know a lot of European Countries do that same thing. Prime example Spain which DR cling so dear to... What are your justifications and excuses on that?

Haitianoerestu , why do u always bring up the race card. Buenoha, that was brilliant elucidation of the situation on the ground .

Guys don't waste your breath...

I will try to find some haitian forum and see if our Haitian friends can finally go ranting to other haitians about their problems instead of telling dominicans about it...

I keep telling them that the answer for haiti's problems isn't found in DR, it's found in Haiti itself

I have given you many Haitian websites. Here is one http://www.PrevalHaiti.com you will see not one subject on there is demeaning to Dominicans nor defaming. You will see that Haitians do not go to sleep, dream and wake up the next their with a mission at hand and in mind about which way they are going to make a Dominican life miserable. They do not do that. You will see that my posts have been against the Hardcore uneducated Haitians who are on the site with hatred and divisive views as well and I bash those who I feel have the slave mentality to not wanting to became self-sufficient of Haitians. I bash them when they talk bad about DR and also I have covered topics on Afro-Latino Americans and so forth. Here is another Haitian site http://www.RadioTambou.com and go to the Forum section where you will not see DR being the center of talk as Haitians do not talk about DR in the same condescending ways that most or some Dominicans do so negatively about Haiti which goes to show you where is the most resentment is being harbored the most as Haitians welcome Dominicans on their Websites with open arms. In fact you will not find any topics, threads that even say anything bad about DR. Try it.

BUt we all know as firmly adamantly racist most Dominicans are (okay, not all) they would never even dare to even take the step toward communicating with Haitians like most Haitians on here nevertheless have been doing so with Dominicans on here.

Here are the Dominicans I feel would perhaps not have a problem to go to those site and interact with Haitians.. Those individuals are: Lautaro for he is very a decent human being. Second I would say just maybe Cibaeno, but I am not sure, then I would say NY4LIFE they would definitely not mind engaging in reaching out on the other aisle and talk about HAITI & DR. They have often show guts and courage to not be divisive and do not harbors much resentments, hatred or racism... but anyone short of those individuals do not have the decency to have dialogues with Haitians but would only want to see Haiti being wiped on the face of the earth if they could have their ways.