Hispaniola,


I am glad that you are loosening up ...You've learn to take my humour and laugh at them..That's the same way you have to take this haitian/dominican relationship...Its like dancing with machetes..it's all about the cervezas but soon someone gets cut everyone gets two a brawl..lol...Again to condemn dominican as a racist society as a good joke..jajjajaj...Racism there is complex and towards one group of people..my people..it isn't the white cibaeno lashing out at the haitian..you'll find dark skin dominicans lashing out at haitians that are of dark hue. The difference is there isn't a group haitians that targets dominicans..they live in peace and aren't bothered due to nationality.. I think that sums it up for me..just wanted to be clear..and fair..NGO's are comparing the racism in the DR to USA as if one group as segregated and have to sit in the back of the bus..which I don't condone..

Can anyone assess my comments..I think Im fair..what do you guys think..

Well if you guys have time, there are other threads on some other topics that are being discussed that could give us all oversight on a lot of things that we need to start taking into consideration which can give us all a sense of roots for our created and supposedly alleged differences we are tearing each other over for what, for nothing...

We have a CONSPIRACY THREAD and a PHILOSOPHY THREAD. Do check them out unless if all we can ever do is fight over the Racial Philosophies. Go check who some of us on here have for role philosophical models and whose philosophical views they embrace to get perhaps a good sense and understanding of why some people do think the way they do on projected threads.

Also there is this post EL LUCHA CONTRA EL RACISMO: Estas A Favor O En Contra? most of you need to check out on the matter of race.

SEPTEMBER 11TH CONSPIRACIES VIDEOS:
The World Trade Center & Pentagon Plane Cover-Ups.
By Wilgeens Rosenberg.

CONSPI 911 USA - Many by now have come to terms of saying through realization that September 11 was indeed an orchestrated event and there is a major Governmental cover-up for the actual truth of what had actually really happened that day. More the so, what of Iraq? Well, check this link and find out http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3320922145165829917

As many have claimed that evidences were later added to the sites to make it look like an actual plane had actually hit the Pentagon, but in effect the videos of those recording events tell a different story. From these videos clips, you will find several other clips on youtube and online that will enlighten you on this matter, I encourage and advise all of you to do check them out yourself as to not say you are being persuaded to believe anything through mass-like thinkers conspiracists. Call these claims just mere speculations if you may or must, but even with any skepticisms, do conduct your own research to uncover your own truth.

I welcome your views, ideas and theories and let us continue to talk. Here are some videos, watch carefully and in the meantime here is a great link http://www.freepressinternational.com/911.html, your thoughts and stories please...

WORLD TRADE CENTER & PENTAGON TAPES:




NOW COMPUTER GENERATED ASSIMILATIONS WERE CONDUCTED.




* P.S: Please watch for any consistencies or inconsistencies to draw your own conclusion. So however the question is, how big is or is not a Boeing 77 to not have been seen on a Two or Three Dimensional Live Security Video Recording and why the tip of a plane gets to be exploded before the actual impact of the Engines themselves on a plane's wing?

My friends, all I am asking is to check this video link out http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811 and you be the judge...

cibaeno,
using the word racism when it comes to dominicans is a little far-fetched. as i mentioned in one of my comments, the obssession with color remains mostly in the realm of the uneducated and the poor ( factory workers, soldiers, policemen, cashiers, waiters, poor campesinos etc...). i can't reconcile the idea of a mulatto which is the product of two races being racist. racism based on what ? it is like denying your father or your mother's race. beats me ! it is a phenomenon particular to elements from intermediary races. indians, pakistanis, mulattoes from jamaica ( the so-called chigros), from barbados, from haiti, tend to look down at black folks. i find it comical.
in Haiti, they use to say that a poor mulatto is black, a rich black is mulatto. there are still some retarded in Haiti who think that the color of their skin confers them some superiority. it's a problem that tends to recede. they have come to realize that no one buys this foolishness, and being in minority too cools their heads.
haiti remains a funny country. economics does not determine social stratification. there is a " je ne sais quoi" that puts you in upper or lower class still not justified. you may be rich as Cresus and being looked at with contempt. haitians always question your family background. maybe they have inherited this trend from the french nobility , an attitude that provoked 1789.

Well put... Well put... Well put!

Wow, where did you come from; where have you been all this time? Once again, have I said already Well out?

Thank you!

P.S: "The future is not a gift; it is an achievement. Every generation helps make its own future. This is the essential challenge of the present." Robert F. Kennedy.

Outstanding way of understanding the matter, now that was awesomely put!!! Let us all learn from... What's your name again? Oh yes AnnaK... and let us start focusing on a more important issue that is ravaging our population right here in the USA for those of you Dominicans & Haitians who feel that HAITI - DR AFFAIRS are all there is to worry about. Obviously we have other things in the eye sockets of the very American society some of us actually do live in might I add way comfortably than those on the Island. Focking A!!!!

As we daily pretend to understand their miseries and their lack of fortunes as we act like we care when really we cannot wait till 5 O'Clock to start getting our "Purd on" and get ready to go to clubs later tonight and whine all up on this girl I did not get to freak on the Dance floor last week end and wished her and I could have had a shot at some regular casual sex without the commitment even to later found out her husband word in the same building as me... Point is, I am beginning to feel that I have said way too much by now and oh my god, Iam still ranting and I cannot shut up or ceased to talk about how I got my knob slobbed by her and how nice her supple breast felt in my hands. What were we talking about? Oh yeah, DR - HAITI issues until we come on the computer or take a little sneak at work in the lunch break room and act like we were on a bathroom break every second to go check our myspace page and added some hot chick as a friend just now as I am writing this.

People, people we have bigger fish issues to get to the bottom of or on top of whichever way suits you... yes she rode me hard last night in case you are all wondering. Point is, some things has just got to stop and I am glad Congress is right in action tackling those matters unlike DR and Haiti's Parliaments. Did any of you guys got laid last night? I know I did and that is all I seem to be thinking about right now of how good the sex was... don't get me wrong I am still thinking DR, HAITI, but man what an amazing night huh guys? I mean wow, oh yeah we need to get along DR and Haiti and all that good crap... damn it was good sex! Have I already mentioned or brag enough already or what is the point I was trying to make here again? Am I this drunk, yup, I am or I must be (lol). Way cool!!!

Ahh well, I am sure it will come to me oh man, I spanked her so hard I even saw my handprint on that ass, seriously I am still horny from focking her last night oh yeah I think I meant to have you seen this video of our Congress at work here in the USA. I mean what a Country huh, wow this was amazing sex, you guys.

Anna,

Welcome on this forum. I've read your post on some other thread. HOpe you realize that Duarte was indeed dominican. Hey, we learn something everyday. Now I'm going to throw our skeleton bones to see how many of us will be honest with themselves. ONe thing the mulattos in DR are not a by product of white & black although it was in the beginning..Mostly now and for a while it is mostly mulattos and mulattos having another mulatto. I find your second paragraph a little wierd since a poor mulatto in haiti has used his/her colour to fool the blacks of thinking he/she comes from money. I think the mostly black haitians in haiti need to get over their inferior complex. The most racist in haiti is the middle class black because he/she wants to distinguish himself far far away from the poor blacks. While the blacks blame the mulattos for the issues that ALL haitians have to fix. It is just how the mulatto tries to distinguish himself far far away from his black relative/lineage. Another thing is where do you get that mulatto in haiti are cool heads because they are a minority..That's racist in itself to say something like that. Think about it.. Also education plays a part of it and doesn't mean an educated person is immune to racism. Another obstacle blacks in Haiti have to get over..thinking education can save them. Why do you think blacks in Haiti are in goverment...to feel a sense of power and is also discriminate to mulattos & white haitians. If a black mess up..it's ok..but if it's the mulatto haitians..those damn mulatto hatians want to take our country and supress us.. Our racism is no different from DR and it's going to take a while before it is eradicated in both society but we should start with economic dispersement among the lower class and breaking classism..I have found that dominicans are less classist than we are..if one wants an explaination I will do..

In all I say that racism does exist in the DR & Haiti. Many try to justify we haitians deal with a classism more than racism but both are intertwine...in every society in the world the lighter the skin the more one will see affluent people in the society and the darker the hue one starts to see poverty. Again this is due to colonization and how wealth is dispersed. In all we all can agree that economics have to do more with it than the persons skin colour. Let's talk seriously and be honest with themselves

Anyhow you put it, the finale word is called the "House Nigger" Mentality thus "Mental Slavery" no matter how we try to sugar coat it, that is what that "Inferiority or Superiority Complex" is.
It is time that all people of color around the world to get rid of those "Mental Chains & Chuckles" of fake divisive made up differences that were implanted in our minds by those conquerors to have us believe that we are the problems to each other. The oldest trick in the existing pattern agendas of their campaigns to continue their exploitive means and to always have power over us. Let us cry out loud "The Graves Before The Chains."

jabao, hispanolo,
I'm totally lost. what part of my comment offend you. I'll not go as far as to say that racism per se exists in haiti. i did say that some retarded might still cling to the idea of superiority based on skin color, and that nobody in hati buys that anymore. i also stated that mulattoes are in minority. isn't mulatto a product of two races ? mostly black and white. if hispanolo has a different definition , i would welcome it.
by the way hispano, don't tell me it is the first time that you've heard " a poor mulatto is black, a rich black is a mulatto". it is not that i condone it, but if you go back to history u'll realize why mulattoes in haiti, in jamaica and the other islands are faring better than blacks. this situation is a legacy of the colonists. remember that during the american occupation we had a string of mulatto presidents. this was not happenstance.
moreover, the idea of blaming mulattoes for all our woes is a scapegoat. black intelligentsia and mulattoes have been slaughtering the country since independence. the fathers of the country have failed to forge a mentality for the future generations. we are not a nation yet; if the word is defined as a group of people sharing a geographical area and with the same aspirations. i agree with you when u mention our problems shouldn't be confined to haitian-dominican issues. they are larger than that. i just chipped in because i have fun in your exchanges on the net; carlos,, arcatype, carbell etc.. i admire cool heads like cibaeno, lautaro,hyacintho etc... by the way, i believe that the fabric of the haitian society has been ripped. we can't even talk of class.