| #11 - Posted 11 June 2008, 12:37 AM | |
Location: United States, Smyrna, GA Join date: February 2008 Member #: 374 Posts: 522 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: casanovadr previously said: Quote: HispanolanoYoSoy previously said: Quote: buenoha previously said: MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES DENY CITIZENSHIP BASED ON BIRTH TO CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL PARENTS. GERMANY, THE NETHERLANDS, DENMARK AND MANY OTHERS. SO YOU SHOULD NOT COMPARE THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC WITH USA. USA HAS LOTS LOTS OF SPACE, LITERALLY. THEIR COUNTRY IS HUGE. THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC ONLY HAS LIKE 48.000 KM2. AND WITH A POPULATION OF OVER 9 MILLION PEOPLE! OVER 50% OF OUR POPULATION IS YOUNGER THAN 25 YEARS SO THAT COULD INDICATE THAT OUR POPULATION COULD GROW EVEN MORE IN THE COMING YEARS. WE CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT PERMIT UNCONTROLLED MASS INFLOW OF HAITIANS INTO THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. GRANTING CITIZENSHIP TO HAITIAN NATIONALS BORN ON OUR SOIL WOULD ONLY GIVE A SIGNAL FOR MORE HAITIANS TO COME. IN A COUPLE OF GENERATIONS YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION LIKE IN KOSOVO, WHERE ALBANIAN IMMIGRANTS TOOK OVER AFTER SEVERAL CENTURIES OF LIVING IN THAT SERBIAN PROVINCE. IF YOU OUR ILLEGAL, YOUR CHILDREN HAVE YOUR NATIONALITY. THAT IS THE DOMINICAN LAW. RESPECT IT OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. NEITHER YOU NOR YOUR PITIFUL NGO`S ARE GOING TO CHANGE THAT. THAT IS THE WILL OF THE DOMINICAN PEOPLE AND THEIR DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED AND SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEIR WILL IS ACTED UPON. Granted Granted Granted However can you sincerely say why that is so when Dominicans do not apply that same constitutional law against white foreign tourists or white Caucasians who have kids in DR whom many of them after a while living in DR their documents have expired and became illegal themselves and whom do not even bother to fix those Documents. ure and of course DR is an independent self-Governing sovereign Country and do not have to cater to NGO's demands, but Domincans have denied even Dominicans who they feel might be of Haitian mixture their Cedulas as well. Do not come here and give me this Hypocritical DR Article 15 Constitutional law crap when it is not applicable and enforced for every being in that Country but a small group of people whom the premise for that and such law is to directly discriminate against that small group based on the divisive history and skin color premises. When was the last time DR have deported or expatriate a White Foreigner in DR who is there illegal? Let me guess, you are going to tell me that there are none. Just like the DR's constitution did not allowed for a President to have a back to back presidential terms and that was eradicated and they did so under pressure to accommodate and establish the Double Nationality laws which was never always so as it is today for DR. Haitianoerestu , why do u always bring up the race card. Buenoha, that was brilliant elucidation of the situation on the ground . Claro que si, no tengo ningun problema contigo diciende qu'estoy Haitiano que nunca he negado, pero sus ojos racistas no han permitido que no me acepte como Dominicano y qu'estas diciendo yo soy solo el uno persona using the race card... What an unfortunate contradiction you are? Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" HispanolanoYoSoy Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
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| #12 - Posted 11 June 2008, 3:31 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 616 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Hey HispanolanoYoSoy... i have a couple of questions 1. Is preval a clean as he looks...? 2. I haven't heard since a little after the coup anything about guy phillip... Whats he upto these day? |
| #13 - Posted 11 June 2008, 4:19 PM | |
Location: United States, Smyrna, GA Join date: February 2008 Member #: 374 Posts: 522 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Hey HispanolanoYoSoy... i have a couple of questions 1. Is preval a clean as he looks...? 2. I haven't heard since a little after the coup anything about guy phillip... Whats he upto these day? Well, amid your often racist views, I will honestly answer you this much with civility. As one thing we have agreed upon was that Haiti need a Progressive Dictator 1. No, he is not as clean as he looks simply because he is a figure of a President and that Haiti has long been being ruled by Foreigners Influences who are calling the shots in Haiti. 2. The last time he did anything ballsy was when he ruled by decree in his first term because the Senate and Parliament did not have their sh!t together. He does not have much of a choice. However, he also has done and is doing much of what many Haitians or past presidents have not instituted in the Country that many cannot see with the naked eye because they are the fundamentals we lacked and never got the chance to be implemented. Although with doubts, I can say that he is doing a lot of underground efforts that he can not afford to reveal to the other corrupted political institutions in Haiti. P.S: Here http://www.PrevalHaiti.com go to this site you will see that there are people that are for him and those that are against him voicing out their opinions. However this page is not really his own page, but a page created by people in the USA to mimic or give people a sense that it is an actual Preval site. Also if you are really intrigue in getting to know Haitians better on a cultural, social level; do not be afraid, go to this site http://www.RadioTambou.com you will see that Haitians do not talk bad about Dr or Dominicans at all the same way Dominicans (not all) do them the injustice. Edited on 6/11/2008 4:26 PM by HispanolanoYoSoy. Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" HispanolanoYoSoy Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #14 - Posted 11 June 2008, 4:23 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Carlos Franquito... On your meds today bro.. Well Guy Philippe is S.O.L hiding out like a litte rat. Uncle Sam is looking for him and my bet is he is moving some kilos across the border as we type. Quirino is gone and looks like he's going to due some time..People from Elias Piña are missing him and also the cartel on the haitian side as well. Back to Guy, his house was raided twice and he got away and laughed at Uncle Sam..eventually he'll get caught and see Quirino and others in some maximum security penn.. Reminiscing about cock fights and the good ol' days.. |
| #15 - Posted 11 June 2008, 4:29 PM | |
Location: United States, Smyrna, GA Join date: February 2008 Member #: 374 Posts: 522 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Carlos Franquito... On your meds today bro.. Well Guy Philippe is S.O.L hiding out like a litte rat. Uncle Sam is looking for him and my bet is he is moving some kilos across the border as we type. Quirino is gone and looks like he's going to due some time..People from Elias Piña are missing him and also the cartel on the haitian side as well. Back to Guy, his house was raided twice and he got away and laughed at Uncle Sam..eventually he'll get caught and see Quirino and others in some maximum security penn.. Reminiscing about cock fights and the good ol' days.. Jabao, Why yo asked him that (lol)? Is it because he is mild today (lol)? Hey, I say let us not ruin any chance we may get to see him turn around for the better, you feel me... Heis asking questions which is always the very first step toward reconciliation. However, yeah this bastard Guy Phillippe is in hiding big time. Oh he also said if he is caught that he will name all the Foreign Parties that supported him both monetarily and with weapons. All I know is that there is a great possibility that Bush will be impeached after his term is over. By the way, when has this thread started being a subject about Guy Phillippe? Nah, you see I do not mind whatever discussion my threads get turned into, as long as people are communicating, interacting and exchanging views on whatever, I do not care how dirty it gets. Go ahead, talk it out!!! Edited on 6/11/2008 4:35 PM by HispanolanoYoSoy. Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" HispanolanoYoSoy Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #16 - Posted 11 June 2008, 4:29 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Preval although not aggressive enough has actually done alot but too many corrupts around him and the international community making this Dominican/Haitian thing number one priority so they can stay on vacation longer. NGO's are huslters using our history and culture differences to live a fabulous life in the caribbean. I see Preval and Fernandez getting a bi-lateral agreement which will benefit the country and also find a solution to the immigration problem. Im quite optimistic although I dont think miracles are going to happen. All I ask my government is security,decentralisation for the people in the province can benefit and having the mass receive jobs with at least pay almost or equal to DR. |
| #17 - Posted 11 June 2008, 4:33 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Jesus, Carlos Franquito es mi manito..ya tu sabes..just throwing some humour in there to get that mean face to a more relax mode. I pay no attention to his other comments and pray for him just like he does for me( i hope)...Showing love is a very powerful thing..I got love for all my Haitians & Dominican brothers but all give cocotazos at ease..tough love.. |
| #18 - Posted 11 June 2008, 4:35 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: January 2008 Member #: 272 Posts: 351 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Preval although not aggressive enough has actually done alot but too many corrupts around him and the international community making this Dominican/Haitian thing number one priority so they can stay on vacation longer. NGO's are huslters using our history and culture differences to live a fabulous life in the caribbean. I see Preval and Fernandez getting a bi-lateral agreement which will benefit the country and also find a solution to the immigration problem. Im quite optimistic although I dont think miracles are going to happen. All I ask my government is security,decentralisation for the people in the province can benefit and having the mass receive jobs with at least pay almost or equal to DR. Preval's actual power is limited because of the views of the politically more powerful Parliament. I believe he's a good prez and he means well but the guy just can't get anything done easy. Jabao what do you think of Robert Manuel? I heard he's a real pro-security candidate however he has some allegations against him too so he isn't as clean as he should be. |
| #19 - Posted 11 June 2008, 4:40 PM | |
Location: United States, Smyrna, GA Join date: February 2008 Member #: 374 Posts: 522 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Jesus, Carlos Franquito es mi manito..ya tu sabes..just throwing some humour in there to get that mean face to a more relax mode. I pay no attention to his other comments and pray for him just like he does for me( i hope)...Showing love is a very powerful thing..I got love for all my Haitians & Dominican brothers but all give cocotazos at ease..tough love.. Jabao, Please stay away from the Language called Spanish (lol), please!!! Did you know the word "Ya" is mostly mean "Already" thus in french "Deja" But yeah, we need humor before we could all go at each other's throat again. Believe it or not, all this bickering is actually helpful and part of the process of battling hatred at its roots. We need that humor stance as well. Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" HispanolanoYoSoy Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #20 - Posted 11 June 2008, 4:55 PM | |
Location: United States, Smyrna, GA Join date: February 2008 Member #: 374 Posts: 522 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Preval although not aggressive enough has actually done alot but too many corrupts around him and the international community making this Dominican/Haitian thing number one priority so they can stay on vacation longer. NGO's are huslters using our history and culture differences to live a fabulous life in the caribbean. I see Preval and Fernandez getting a bi-lateral agreement which will benefit the country and also find a solution to the immigration problem. Im quite optimistic although I dont think miracles are going to happen. All I ask my government is security,decentralisation for the people in the province can benefit and having the mass receive jobs with at least pay almost or equal to DR. There has been several Latin-American meeting where the talk of a joint effort to combat Latin-American Issues is priority. One thing they have done was: Recently they put a census out stating that Haiti although has been through many crisis is by far more safer than people have given it credit for and they have mentioned the other Countries which never had conflicts like Haiti. They have also stated they were more dangerous than Haiti, as they placed Jamaica and the Dominican Republic as being the most rogue gang Nations in the Caribbean. However, the same group who conducted the survey turned around and said now Haiti was a dangerous place next to Iraq. A total contradiction to their earlier statement all in effort to diminish Haiti's possible chance to rise above the now current challenge it is facing. They did this because they know most of Jamaica and DR have mostly but International Foreign Influence Economy and Tourism. To allow such a survey result being speculated would hurt those interests since all the resorts in Jamaica and DR are owned by Foreigners and Haiti was much of an easier target since already they have attached all kind of negative connotations to Haiti throughout the world media. Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" HispanolanoYoSoy Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |