FROM: BUENOHA
MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES DENY CITIZENSHIP BASED ON BIRTH TO CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL PARENTS. GERMANY, THE NETHERLANDS, DENMARK AND MANY OTHERS. SO YOU SHOULD NOT COMPARE THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC WITH USA. USA HAS LOTS LOTS OF SPACE, LITERALLY. THEIR COUNTRY IS HUGE.

THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC ONLY HAS LIKE 48.000 KM2. AND WITH A POPULATION OF OVER 9 MILLION PEOPLE IT IS ONE OF THE 15 MOST POPULOUS COUNTRIES (PER SQUARE KM) IN THE WORLD! OVER 50% OF OUR POPULATION IS YOUNGER THAN 25 YEARS SO THAT COULD INDICATE THAT OUR POPULATION COULD GROW EXPONENTIALLY IN THE COMING YEARS. WE CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT PERMIT UNCONTROLLED MASS INFLOW OF HAITIANS INTO THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.

GRANTING CITIZENSHIP TO HAITIAN NATIONALS BORN ON OUR SOIL WOULD ONLY GIVE A SIGNAL FOR MORE HAITIANS TO COME. IN A COUPLE OF GENERATIONS YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION LIKE IN KOSOVO, WHERE ALBANIAN IMMIGRANTS TOOK OVER AFTER SEVERAL CENTURIES OF LIVING IN THAT SERBIAN PROVINCE.

IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL, YOUR CHILDREN HAVE YOUR NATIONALITY. THAT IS THE DOMINICAN LAW. RESPECT IT OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. NEITHER YOU NOR YOUR PITIFUL NGO`S ARE GOING TO CHANGE THAT. THAT IS THE WILL OF THE DOMINICAN PEOPLE AND THEIR DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED AND SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEIR WILL IS ACTED UPON.
ARCATYPE: GREAT EXPOSITION I AGREE WITH YOU 100%

Thank you Arcatype! Sometimes things should be told the way they are, right?

I am sick of the comparison with the USA, when we are talking of a very small and congested country with a cultural identity to protect and an economic recovery to pursue. Letting in more poor people is going to make us all worse off.

I am sick of all these foreign influences trying to change Dominican immigration law. If our government allows that, what is next for DR? Will DR be the Kosovo of the 22nd or the 23rd century? Let's make sure for our children and grandchildren that is not the case.

Mira y escuchame,

No tengo un problema contigo cumplimiento del respeto a su Constitucion del pais. Es tambien el pais de mi madre la Republica Dominicana. Cual o cualquier cosas, queria mostrar que su simple cuestion no era inocente y que ha demostrado solo que si.

Todo el mundo sabe que la migracion puede ser a menudo una carga para cualquier Naciones sobre todo si su economia no es tan fuerte para apoyar esa anexion, pero no es razones para negar los hijos de los hijos de inmigrantes que han nacido de la naturaleza en el suelo como lo estan sus suelo nativos. Entiende?

Mi pregunta sigue sin respuesta. Eres un Dominicano migrante ilegal en el Netherlands, es decir entonces, se le niega un Certificado De Nacimiento o existe para ser legal?

P.S: Este pais The Netherlands no es un gran pais grande que si, he estado alli mestoy un Soldado de Etado Unidos.

Listen Arc,

It would be preposterous on my part to ask for the legalization of first of all , one million Haitians not two millions. DR has never had an accurate nor legitimate census of or for how many Haitians are in fact living in DR. If that was the case that DR had a such accurate and properly conducted census, DR would have had a way better chance at expatriate those Haitians back to Haiti thus they would not have been considered In Transition for this long, would you not say so? Indeed, Haiti needs to step up and participate to this campaign. However understand this also, if ever Haiti were to have had a better stable economy most likely this would not have been an issue and perhaps DR's cheap labor which DR's economy also depends on would be halted.

Anyway back to the numbers. In terms of the number of Haitian actually living in DR, if anything, it might even be way less than one million if I may give my personal opinion on it. I say this simply due to the possible fact that the number has overly been over exaggerated for opposed political gain and tarnishing the other Nation lack of responsability because let us take into consideration that out of this approximate one million, half if not more than half of that number of population are the half whom the Dominican Government has already deemed to be or are In Transition which if by all means they do not get to be legalized is fine with me. Now comes in question the other half which represents all together, the children and grandchildren of those so deemed to be or are in Transition should not have to incur or suffer the consequences of their grand or Great grand parents' misfortunes for having had been migrants... Or if not a path to legalization, but a more Humane and a less discriminative racist treatment in the society is long over due since most of DR's economy relies on the hard work of those Haitians' cheap labor, you feel me? My aim is not that an integration of the Island is necessary, no. Since they are both Independent Sovereign Nations already, however given it is one Island with generally the same ecosystem, it would be wise if there could be greater amicable, civilized relations between the two. Believe me, I am imagining had it been the other way around it would have still been a much difficult situation as well. So I understand exactly where Dr is coming from.

The only thing is, the racial motivation behind most of DR's action and much of the known resentments between the two Countries or Nations has taken away credit from any given stance, position or actions they may have had as leverage on the issue why the eye of the International Committee are fixated on every moves. Which is why instead I propose for Dr to be a more Pro-Active member in the Human Rights arena as well as I encourage the Haitian Government to work side by side with DR in approaching this matter because I truly believe that a Country's Constitution should not be Influenced by Foreign influences unless the Country itself sees fit to make ratifications and changes as the feel necessary fit for the benefit of that Country politically, economically as well as socially. Such a Country by all means reserves its rights to do as it chooses.

P.S: That way, when DR were to make a bold move and accordingly with dignity and respect to human rights expatriate those Haitians the World International Body would not have had much claims against DR to say that they have done any injustice, because then it would have simply been a matter of Sovereign protection more so they would see it as biased and prejudicial. You dig? There is always a smart way to tackle this without having being seeing as the monster in this. I mean take a look at Turks and Caicos and other Countries that have expatriate Haitians.

Lastly, DR needs to crack down on corrupted Guards who themselves are participating in the Human Smuggling Industry in DR by taking money and bribes from Human Traffickers and other businesses in DR in high Demands of Haitian cheap labor. Generally I feel DR simply needs to be a bit more sensitive to the issue and understand that regardless of past conflict with Haiti that they are in fact friends and not enemies. Fair ebough, Arc?

Jesus aka Hispaniola,

You are definitely not dominican if you don't get "ya tu sabes"...lol..I knew you were faking..Dominicans and haitians that speak dominican spanish will grasp that saying..lol..Sorry they dont teach colloqualism in spanish 101..lol.

Ok now where were we???

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Jesus,

Carlos Franquito es mi manito..ya tu sabes..just throwing some humour in there to get that mean face to a more relax mode. I pay no attention to his other comments and pray for him just like he does for me( i hope)...Showing love is a very powerful thing..I got love for all my Haitians & Dominican brothers but all give cocotazos at ease..tough love..
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Ooo...

I guess so I am not, you caught me big time Mr.Inspecta "Clever how ye is wise" (lol). I was only telling you that it has often been misused by even Dominicans as well (Mostly US Americanized Dominicans).

People seem to often think that it means in a cool manner "That's It or Done Deal and assumably they think it is Ya as in the German version of Yes" type of mantra. To be honest, Colloquialism really has nothing to do with it. However hey, I know it is in Haitian nature that they do not like to be bashed, corrected or given any opposed insights when it comes to things like this (lol). You see, smart ass humor can be shared both ways.

Lastly why do you refer to me as Jesus, dawg? Now that is annoying and I see what you are doing. I am not going to allow it to work, thus I am taking and inviting it instead as part of your humor perhaps lack there is or of on my part... It is whatever dawg. Anyways, did you go to my Conspiracy Thread?

Peazzle!

Buenoha,

You not what gets under my skin that you guys are living in the exterior and should know better or empathise with illegals..Specially you living in Netherlands no how they treat immigrants that are illegal and perception of dominicans. The doble cara is ridiculous when you guys are enjoying all the luxury of first world items. I am not saying that all haitians should be given dominican citizenship but those that have been there over 3 generations with no link to haiti but are pointed out due to having darker hue. Also what about the whites that are illegal in the DR and are begged to take dominican citizenship so you guys can jump and down and say "hay blancos de velda' en santo domingo"..lol...I mean you guys talk about identity as if these dominicans are not dominicanise to the fullest extent as if they speak creole or even visiti haiti.. Arent u guys concern there might actually be more white dominicans if white expats are given dominican citizenship..jjajajj...doble cara..

And Arcatype knowing how the dominican community that are illegal have dropped a dead weight in the public school system and having to learn how to speak spanish correctly and teach them english is all on the tax payers money...Guys like you should be kissing the americans ass that your not in the DR sitting at some colmado waiting for the remittances..

I mean you guys have all the right to feel the way you do but c'mon look in the mirror..imagine if u were in the DR probably fustrated and complainig..la cosa son dura..ay dio mio..que podemo' acel...vamo' pa' puelto Jico...tengo gente aya que podemo' conseguilno' trabajo.. Belkis alludame con ei viaje tu sabe' no tengo cuarto..Jesus, translate that..lol..