Thanks for the invite, here's a link below, I think you may be interested

http://www.haitiinnovation.org/sites/default/files/Haiti%20Poverty%20Reduction%20Strategy%20Paper.pdf.pdf

That is what I meant... Did you happen to read my response to Arc earlier. I think this is a major turn around for both Carlos and Arcatype to even decided to ask any questions and this matter and has yet to go off with anything racist thus far... Even if it means just for today, I congratulate them both on a day well spent and steered from racism. That is excellent!!!

Oh yeah, I go to them all the time, you might see on there as NegMawon.

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I guess so I am not, you caught me big time Mr.Inspecta "[COLOR=#ED1C24]Clever how ye is wise[/COLOR]" (lol). I was only telling you that it has often been misused by even Dominicans as well (Mostly US Americanized Dominicans).

People seem to often think that it means in a cool manner "[B][COLOR=#ED1C24]That's It[/COLOR] or [COLOR=#ED1C24]Done Deal[/COLOR] and assumably they think it is [COLOR=#ED1C24]Ya[/COLOR] as in the German version of [COLOR=#ED1C24]Yes[/COLOR][/B]" type of mantra. To be honest, Colloquialism really has nothing to do with it. However hey, I know it is in Haitian nature that they do not like to be bashed, corrected or given any opposed insights when it comes to things like this (lol). You see, smart ass humor can be shared both ways.

Lastly why do you refer to me as Jesus, dawg? Now that is annoying and I see what you are doing. I am not going to allow it to work, thus I am taking and inviting it instead as part of your humor perhaps lack there is or of on my part... [COLOR=#ED1C24]It is whatever dawg[/COLOR]. Anyways, did you go to my Conspiracy Thread?

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Ti Jesus,

what the hell ae you talking about..domincans german..kisa..lol..ok let me live you alone but get a sense of humour....ya tu sabes...Po'ta vien. lol...Jesus, translate..and stop googling ....wikster..haven't called u that in a while...peace on to you brother..cocotazo..plawwwww..

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I guess so I am not, you caught me big time Mr.Inspecta "[COLOR=#ED1C24]Clever how ye is wise[/COLOR]" (lol). I was only telling you that it has often been misused by even Dominicans as well (Mostly US Americanized Dominicans).

People seem to often think that it means in a cool manner "[B][COLOR=#ED1C24]That's It[/COLOR] or [COLOR=#ED1C24]Done Deal[/COLOR] and assumably they think it is [COLOR=#ED1C24]Ya[/COLOR] as in the German version of [COLOR=#ED1C24]Yes[/COLOR][/B]" type of mantra. To be honest, Colloquialism really has nothing to do with it. However hey, I know it is in Haitian nature that they do not like to be bashed, corrected or given any opposed insights when it comes to things like this (lol). You see, smart ass humor can be shared both ways.

Lastly why do you refer to me as Jesus, dawg? Now that is annoying and I see what you are doing. I am not going to allow it to work, thus I am taking and inviting it instead as part of your humor perhaps lack there is or of on my part... [COLOR=#ED1C24]It is whatever dawg[/COLOR]. Anyways, did you go to my Conspiracy Thread?

[B]Peazzle![/B]
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Ti Jesus,

what the hell ae you talking about..domincans german..kisa..lol..ok let me live you alone but done get a sense of humour....ya tu sabes...Po'ta vien. lol...Jesus, translate..and stop googling ....wikster..haven't called u that in a while...peace on to you brother..cocotazo..plawwwww..

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O mezanmi, you are a selective reader too, I see... I say in German when you say "Ya" most people tend to assume it has the same effect as in the Spanish "Ya". It has been influences by German Foreigners in Dr which over time has gained the double meaning that it has today. Soti kow la... ti piti (lol).

You even manage to write spanish as though it was some slang much like you write Creole or how Americans try to write Ebonic or slang English. I am not sure if by doing that you perhaps think that it will assumably give people to thinking for certain that you actually speak spanish, but you do not have to do that. Yes, I know mostly most Dominicans do that along with especially Puerto Ricans where and when they either interchange letters and expressions or try to shorten it by adding contractions.

Hey hey hey, I am the one who used to call you guys Wiki scholars by the way it is Wikitor, not Wikster (lol) for always having to use to post wikipedia references. Ask Lautaro. By the way, google will not give you this kind of information on "Ya" or spanish contractions like this. THat is simply common banal knowledge anybody can give you who speak proper spanish or spanish in general. Maybe now, people in Haiti are growing fond of the Spanish contraction expression to mask or prove that they know spanish, I am not sure, but long ago Haitians did not have to used to do that as long as you speak spanish and you are understood and usually it was proper Spanish and not slang.

I don't think illegal immigration is right. The disapora should know how it feels to be illegal and should emphasize with the illegal Haitians? I understand what you are saying but Jabao, it's two different scenarios, Dominicans are leaving to developed countries to get opportunities to live and work. These developed countries are not really threaten by the arrival of illegal immgration as it helps fill a void for low paying jobs and allows for illegals to perform jobs a typical American or European citizen wouldn't do. Along the way, illegal or immigrates in general do sufffer from discriminations simply b/c they are not a native. The issue with Haitians coming to DR in large numbers is the following:

DR is also poor like Haiti and is not able to maintain and provide for its people. As a result, the illegal arrival for Haitians is a burden on the every day life of the typical Dominican.
Jobs are taken away from the less skilled Dominicans (majority) due to low wages being paid to Haitians. Dominicans don't want to do that work b/c it is ridiculously low and not enough to provide for a family in DR while Haitians are happy just to have an opportunity to work and send a few pesos back home. Most of the times, they don't even make enough to provide for their families.
The historical resentment is another negative factor.
The soverignty of the nation, cultural and historical are being threaten by the massive influx of illegal immigration. It's the idea that there was a border there for a reason and Dominicans are not ready to open it up to massive immigration b/c the services (jobs, healthcare, a better life) Haitians are looking for in DR are not readily avaliable in DR for Dominicans.
Lastly, Haiti is unable to maintain stability and provide for its people. Currently, there is no Prime Minister in Haiti, therefore, there isn't a recognized gov't in Haiti.

What I am saying Jabao, is that the developed countries are not experiencing the same type of threat from illegal immigration as I stated above. There is no threat of losing soverignty, no bitter resentments, and the job opportunities avaliable to illegals don't adversely affect the overall population. That's the major difference between immigrating to a develop country where opportunities are endless versus a poor developing country where opportunities are not readily avaliable for the natives.

You raise a valid point ny4life but there is a double standard which is morally wrong. Historical resentment has led to the ill treatment of the majority of Haitian migrants to the D.R and the negative views of Haitians has become so entrenched within Dominican society, that discrimination is almost seen as normal wouldn't you think? However I think we all agree in that the D.R needs to put its sovereignty before anything else and secure its borders and that Haiti needs to fix itself to prevent or at least reduce the problem. But I really feel for the migrants that voluntarily live in the D.R in circumstances such as this but have to deal with the everyday pressures of prejudice. This whole problem stems from poverty and because that is the root cause it is the place to start (Haiti more so than D.R although there is a poverty problem there too) implementing strategies to reduce it.

In the long run almost all borders are bullshit. If we will have societies with free trade, free movement of capital, we should have free movement of people. Haitian immigrants shouldn't have to come to DR, the developed nations should open their economies to workers from both; at least as temporary labor....

But you see NY4LIFE,

At least you have put it that way and have recognize that as such that DR relatively is almost just as poor as Haiti thus cannot incur such massive exodus or migration of Haiti, granted and with merit I agree.

However, under that same premise of your own word, but rather in a minor developed scales in knowing DR is not as advanced as those major other Countries as you have put it and said and I will use your very own words: "Dominicans are leaving to developed countries to get opportunities to live and work." Oh so, what or why do you think Haitians are leaving Haiti to go to DR or Dominicans to Puerto Rico? Well, surely not for a vacation or in purposely knowing that they will face discrimination and scrutiny why the trip would be worthwhile now, you dig (lol)?

As indeed again in your own words, the level of discrimination can exist anywhere just as Mexicans are facing such a plight here in the US thus I always say it is not fair and right to place the blame on those Mexican who all they are doing is contributing to the American Economy which in your own words again as you stated "It helps fill a void for low paying jobs and allows for illegals to perform jobs a typical (In DR's case) a Dominican citizen wouldn't do." when in DR it is not that Dominicans will not do the Job, but rather they want raise in wages that certain businesses are not willing to pay when they can have Haitians to do it who are more eager for the money that seems more than what they were, in some sense, getting paid in Haiti and the other fact is that most Dominicans do find some jobs to be and are considered beneath them.

Now the only thing is left for such treatment is in fact the reality of the old past history and resentments, hatred, racism and all kind of negative factors there existing between the two Nations and I blame the Government of both Nations for that for their lack of pro-activeness on interrelated Social issues of the Island as you have put it once more above. Thus we agree the problem is not much particularly Haitians and their legality or illegality, because even the Tourist owned businesses often do not hire just any kind of Dominicans as most Dominicans tend to often be demanding for rates that those businesses are not willing to give or offer and they once again go to the Haitians willing to do it given they have a more dire necessity for the money I guess.

I do not go as far as being Naive to demand legalization for all the illegal immigrants in DR, but I truly feel that the new generation of their Children and Grand Children born on the Soil should not have to suffer or incur their parents tribulations and misfortunes.

NY4life,

My brother really read your comments above and just replace hispanics where there is haitians and dominicans for americans. I find it ironic that a young man as yourself somehow miss the point. Go tell the americans and even non americans of that aren't hispanic that they dont feel some invasion. Dude, places in the USA hispanics look at you in a store like we dont speak english and too bad for you go to the store next door ello spik englis..as if they were lets say DR..dont you go there man..maybe it feel ok for you since your hispanic but I have seen hispanics thinking spanish is the language of america and careless about english.

True DR is a poor country that can't hold the massive illegal immigration from haiti. It would be insane to say lets flood all haitians and give them papers..But look at when your double standard come in..you get all hyped up about DR being a metropolitan of he caribbean and all of the progress and step over all the haitian workers that have worked hard to make this project feasible minus the money the corrupt politicos pocket Haitians are not a burden because they put in alot in the DR without no insurance and them not knowing the labour rights and being the weak link..haitiano ilegal...

Now let's talk about this identity that you guys love to throw around..dude, dominicans of haitian decent are more dominican than most of you..the live there grow up there and feel what it is to be dominican. while you guys bounced and prance..republica dominicana when it is the USA that has given you the opportunities that the majority would only dream of having. Dont me wrong you're dominican de pura sepa..and should be damn proud but dont forget who's feeding you..I see this with haitans too in the diaspora..super haitians to feel a part of their mother land...it's cool..no problem with that..now this dominican moreno thinks like a dominican will want to marry up lighter skin..lol..and bam..a mulatto baby and DR will be mulatto majority..and whites from the expats will make sure a minority of whites stay in the upper strata..I mean dominicans of haitians decent look at you guys as part time dominicans.and actually in any sense you are to them..in every way.breath DR 24/7 not just for two weeks..they go thru the dominican struggle..se fue la lu..and the high prices..while you guys got a nice subsidise system in the USA to provide the basic...

I hope I dont sound disrespectful or trying to make u guys less dominicans..rather attempting to demonstrate another side of the coin..thanks and God bless..

Jesus, u didn't translate my bad poor slang spanish..lol..your so dominican..they understand..geez im more dominican than you..nah.soy haitiano de pura sepa...but got love for mis hermanos dominicanos..ya tu sabe' ..BTW Jesus, your last post was flawless..very well put and thought out..or was that Hay..well both of ur guys nicely put..manhattan..right on..


Jesus, you know by now..ilove picking on u..