| #51 - Posted 12 June 2008, 11:31 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 337 Posts: 596 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. HAITI BEFORE IT'S INCEPTION HAS BEEN INVADING US AND EVEN OCCUPIED US, THEY JUST DONT GET IT, WE DONT WANT TO BE PART OF THEM. WE NEVER INVADED THEIR TERRITORY THEY HAVE NO RESPECT. IT TOOK A TRUJILLO IN 1937 TO SEND THEM THE MESSAGE, BY MEANS OF A MASSACRE. THE ONLY WAY TO DISCOURAGE THE CURRENT INVASION, IS TO STOP EMPLOYING THEM PERIOD. LET THEM GO TO THE BAHAMAS, TURKS AND CAICOS OR EVEN PUERTO RICO WHICH IS PROBABLY HAPPENING ALREADY. STOP MAKING LAME EXCUSES JABAOHAITIANO. HAITI AS A COUNTRY HAS NO CREDIBILITY, BUT IT'S UP TO HAITIANS ABROAD TO HELP BUILD THERE OWN COUNTRY. INSTEAD OF EXPORTING THERE POOR TO OTHER COUNTRIES, THAT FIND THEMSELVES STRUGGLING WITH THEIR OWN ISSUES. Arcatype |
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| #52 - Posted 12 June 2008, 11:41 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 65 Posts: 201 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. In the DR foreign people should have a work permit before they are allowed to work as in all countries (and pay taxes). Hiring illegals should be penalized like in most countries. Wages on plantations should reach at least the Dominican minimum wage and nobody should be allowed to work for less on the DR soil. Workers should be able to get decent nutrition, decent housing and a good health care insurance from their work, and also it should be enough to send their kids to school. With many many foreign owned sugar producing plantations and foreign (read: Haitian) workers working on the fields, I do not see the benefit that sugar cane production is bringing to the DR except for company taxes. The agriculture sector should be regulated more strictly. It has a lot of potential to improve live of rural dominicans if it is taken seriously and is regulated correctly. Edited on 6/12/2008 12:05 PM by buenoha. |
| #53 - Posted 12 June 2008, 11:44 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, DN Join date: March 2008 Member #: 478 Posts: 369 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Quote: buenoha previously said: Dear haitian forista. Please stop asking about the personal life of other foristas. This is not a place to discuss personal life history, since we are discussing greater issues. I suggest you all try to get some higher education (go to university!) if you have not yet done it sofar. A more scientific approach to issues would do you guys a lot of good. You are always making assumptions about everything and everybody, and you speak on an emotional way, not a rational one. Before claiming to make a sound statement you should study the field and find acceptable evidence for yourself or base your comments on evidence from other studies. You speak of the Antilles. Never been there. You speak of illegality: never been one. I can advice you to stop asking personal questions which do not contribute to the discussion in any way. Buenoha, Dominican that doesn't live in the DR and living better off in the Netherlands. I am not trying to get into your personal history rather trying to make you see things when it hit close to home. I am not speaking emotionally rather can say the same for you. I respect your opinions and would like to discuss this in a that fashion without personal attacks. Now lets get real, dominicans living in the Netherlands weren't invited and the most likely way was via Dutch Antilles illegally. I have been to St. Martin/St marteen and between dominicans and haitians I was scavaging to find a native there. I am sure the natives are pissed that there identity is practically gone... It isn't easy to talk without thinking when your own people are in precarious position as the one you vehemently oppose in your beloved country that you left behind looking for a better opportunity that your government didn't give you. Let's discuss this or you can stay stuck in your ways and never realise how lucky you are to be in the Netherlands. The reality of things is it's hard to talk when you point figures at others and not at yourself. I thank God I wasn't born in a family that didn't have the means to provide for me. I think my lucky stars that I wasn't born poor. Again thank you sir and look forward to hearing you P.O.V. while looking amongst your people as a group that migrate as much to other third world countries and hopefully get to where you are in nice cozy Netherlands. Haitians and Dominicans in the DR envy you and wish they were in your place. Take care sir. May God bless you.. Please think before you write something down... don't generalize please... I am Dominican living in DR, and I will never leave this country.... I love my country as I love my family.... I love to be here and I thank God everyday to be Dominicano..... The few years I lived away form DR (2 years), I just used to dream about COMING BACK..... Edited on 6/12/2008 11:52 AM by MrDom. |
| #54 - Posted 12 June 2008, 12:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 707 Posts: 180 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: arcatype previously said: HAITI BEFORE IT'S INCEPTION HAS BEEN INVADING US AND EVEN OCCUPIED US, THEY JUST DONT GET IT, WE DONT WANT TO BE PART OF THEM. WE NEVER INVADED THEIR TERRITORY THEY HAVE NO RESPECT. IT TOOK A TRUJILLO IN 1937 TO SEND THEM THE MESSAGE, BY MEANS OF A MASSACRE. THE ONLY WAY TO DISCOURAGE THE CURRENT INVASION, IS TO STOP EMPLOYING THEM PERIOD. LET THEM GO TO THE BAHAMAS, TURKS AND CAICOS OR EVEN PUERTO RICO WHICH IS PROBABLY HAPPENING ALREADY. STOP MAKING LAME EXCUSES JABAOHAITIANO. HAITI AS A COUNTRY HAS NO CREDIBILITY, BUT IT'S UP TO HAITIANS ABROAD TO HELP BUILD THERE OWN COUNTRY. INSTEAD OF EXPORTING THERE POOR TO OTHER COUNTRIES, THAT FIND THEMSELVES STRUGGLING WITH THEIR OWN ISSUES. So Arc, Would you openly admit that you are a racist and get it over with? I mean no hiding behind the bush. You have to pay attention to your words and see how even if you had the most valid excusable case against a Haitian why people will not grant you respect for your cause because your words depict you as a bigot. (Now if you are being attacked personally, I would say you had leverage). Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" YoSoyHispanolano Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #55 - Posted 12 June 2008, 12:45 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 707 Posts: 180 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Quote: buenoha previously said: Quote: ny4life previously said: Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Buenoha, You not what gets under my skin that you guys are living in the exterior and should know better or empathise with illegals..Specially you living in Netherlands no how they treat immigrants that are illegal and perception of dominicans. The doble cara is ridiculous when you guys are enjoying all the luxury of first world items. I am not saying that all haitians should be given dominican citizenship but those that have been there over 3 generations with no link to haiti but are pointed out due to having darker hue. Also what about the whites that are illegal in the DR and are begged to take dominican citizenship so you guys can jump and down and say "hay blancos de velda' en santo domingo"..lol...I mean you guys talk about identity as if these dominicans are not dominicanise to the fullest extent as if they speak creole or even visiti haiti.. Arent u guys concern there might actually be more white dominicans if white expats are given dominican citizenship..jjajajj...doble cara.. And Arcatype knowing how the dominican community that are illegal have dropped a dead weight in the public school system and having to learn how to speak spanish correctly and teach them english is all on the tax payers money...Guys like you should be kissing the americans ass that your not in the DR sitting at some colmado waiting for the remittances.. I mean you guys have all the right to feel the way you do but c'mon look in the mirror..imagine if u were in the DR probably fustrated and complainig..la cosa son dura..ay dio mio..que podemo' acel...vamo' pa' puelto Jico...tengo gente aya que podemo' conseguilno' trabajo.. Belkis alludame con ei viaje tu sabe' no tengo cuarto..Jesus, translate that..lol.. I don't think illegal immigration is right. The disapora should know how it feels to be illegal and should emphasize with the illegal Haitians? I understand what you are saying but Jabao, it's two different scenarios, Dominicans are leaving to developed countries to get opportunities to live and work. These developed countries are not really threaten by the arrival of illegal immgration as it helps fill a void for low paying jobs and allows for illegals to perform jobs a typical American or European citizen wouldn't do. Along the way, illegal or immigrates in general do sufffer from discriminations simply b/c they are not a native. The issue with Haitians coming to DR in large numbers is the following: DR is also poor like Haiti and is not able to maintain and provide for its people. As a result, the illegal arrival for Haitians is a burden on the every day life of the typical Dominican. Jobs are taken away from the less skilled Dominicans (majority) due to low wages being paid to Haitians. Dominicans don't want to do that work b/c it is ridiculously low and not enough to provide for a family in DR while Haitians are happy just to have an opportunity to work and send a few pesos back home. Most of the times, they don't even make enough to provide for their families. The historical resentment is another negative factor. The soverignty of the nation, cultural and historical are being threaten by the massive influx of illegal immigration. It's the idea that there was a border there for a reason and Dominicans are not ready to open it up to massive immigration b/c the services (jobs, healthcare, a better life) Haitians are looking for in DR are not readily avaliable in DR for Dominicans. Lastly, Haiti is unable to maintain stability and provide for its people. Currently, there is no Prime Minister in Haiti, therefore, there isn't a recognized gov't in Haiti. What I am saying Jabao, is that the developed countries are not experiencing the same type of threat from illegal immigration as I stated above. There is no threat of losing soverignty, no bitter resentments, and the job opportunities avaliable to illegals don't adversely affect the overall population. That's the major difference between immigrating to a develop country where opportunities are endless versus a poor developing country where opportunities are not readily avaliable for the natives. NYforLife you are brilliant. Great answer! I am sure they could have thought of that themselves perfectly, if they have ever been to the DR and are not blind, but it seems you really have to explain everything in here... Haitians that are seeking opportunities abroad should do as do Dominicans and try to emigrate to the West! To Europe, Canada, US etc. By aiming to emigrate to the DR both them and the DR will be worse off. I have been there and lived there in DR... (Like Jabao "who likes to pick on me (lol)" and Shin who hates for me to keep on saying: My mother and her mother and her mother's family are from DR). So most of how you guys on here are thinking is not how most of the DR's populace are thinking even though some of the valid sentiments you guy s have may still be there in DR as well, but simply not as biased. discriminative and racially motivated like you guys. When was the last time you have been to DR most of you Dominicans in here living abroad? Funny you said that because people from all over Central America do migrate to all those areas you have mentioned, all for the same reason and purposes no more, no less always the same excuses that you guy s are accusing Haitians of except more so on skin color and racial motivations. Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" YoSoyHispanolano Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #56 - Posted 12 June 2008, 12:57 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. [[/QUOTE] Please think before you write something down... don't generalize please... I am Dominican living in DR, and I will never leave this country.... I love my country as I love my family.... I love to be here and I thank God everyday to be Dominicano..... The few years I lived away form DR (2 years), I just used to dream about COMING BACK..... [/QUOTE] MrDom, I am referring to those that think day in and day out how to find a way to get out of the DR. You can also apply haitians to your text as well. I know many of my countrymen that wouldn't think of living anywhere else but Haiti. Let's not focus on one sentence which of course will have people that doesn't fall into that bracket. I guess I will be more precise ([COLOR=#4D6DF3]many[/COLOR]). Thank sir and have a blessed day. Oh I wanted to ask you what happen to the project of the island? Do you know anything about that? Is it off the tables? Jesus, Please leave Arcatype rant and inundate in his own hatred. Who gives a damn if he is racist or not? You have to understand that this world will always have racist or find something to feel a sense of superiority due to their own internal issues. Why waste your time trying to figure out why this young man is filled with so much hate towards haitians? The guys is stuck and doesn't want to evolve. Why would you want to go down a sucken ship? You letting this individual work you up for what.. Most likely he isn't nobody in the dominican society where it even matters what he thinks. |
| #57 - Posted 12 June 2008, 1:09 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 707 Posts: 180 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. Dear haitian forista, Please stop asking about the personal life of other foristas. This is not a place to discuss personal life history, since we are discussing greater issues. I suggest you all try to get some higher education (go to university!) if you have not yet done it sofar. A more scientific approach to issues would do you guys a lot of good. You are always making assumptions about everything and everybody, and you speak on an emotional way, not a rational one. Before claiming to make a sound statement you should study the field and find acceptable evidence for yourself or base your comments on evidence from other studies. You speak of the Antilles... Never been there. You speak of illegality... never been one. I can advice you to stop asking personal questions which do not contribute to the discussion in any way. HYPOCRISY EXPOSED. By Wilgeens Rosenberg. I wanted to once and for all again show you all of the true colors of a supposedly alleged innocent question ask by this individual. You can tell when someone is racist by nature or when racism was early on detected in the so called innocent question. You can tell, when they are using terms to describe others or those they personally think less of, they use lower case letters. Yet, they speak of and telling others to (Go to University) when they do not know basic grammar and punctuation. They speak of assumptions and emotional rational when they are guilty of the same claim also as they contradict themselves in stating that the Netherlands do not grant Birth Rights to immigrant's children and could not answer a basic simple question that the topic in question do actually covering all those aspects of Illegality, Foreign Relations and indeed Rights and Discrimination. Yet, he is claiming that he is not the children of an immigrants when he is Dominican. So, the subject is rather Netherlander and has no business in Dominican issues given what the subject stated above. Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" YoSoyHispanolano Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #58 - Posted 12 June 2008, 1:16 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 707 Posts: 180 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. [QUOTE=JabaoHaitian] [[/QUOTE] Please think before you write something down... don't generalize please... I am Dominican living in DR, and I will never leave this country.... I love my country as I love my family.... I love to be here and I thank God everyday to be Dominicano..... The few years I lived away form DR (2 years), I just used to dream about COMING BACK..... [/QUOTE] MrDom, I am referring to those that think day in and day out how to find a way to get out of the DR. You can also apply haitians to your text as well. I know many of my countrymen that wouldn't think of living anywhere else but Haiti. Let's not focus on one sentence which of course will have people that doesn't fall into that bracket. I guess I will be more precise ([COLOR=#4D6DF3]many[/COLOR]). Thank sir and have a blessed day. Oh I wanted to ask you what happen to the project of the island? Do you know anything about that? Is it off the tables? Jesus, Please leave Arcatype rant and inundate in his own hatred. Who gives a damn if he is racist or not? You have to understand that this world will always have racist or find something to feel a sense of superiority due to their own internal issues. Why waste your time trying to figure out why this young man is filled with so much hate towards haitians? The guys is stuck and doesn't want to evolve. Why would you want to go down a sucken ship? You letting this individual work you up for what.. Most likely he isn't nobody in the dominican society where it even matters what he thinks. [/QUOTE] You know what, you are right... But gosh darn it, quit calling me "Jesus" (lol)!!! By the way, I wanted to tell you it was not that I did not understand what you meant in your slang spanish, it simply just irked my nerves when people do in any language. Be it Creole, French, Spanish or English... but I mean, I understand the feel for wanting to use slang given the flow of lingo and so forth in terms of wit and humor within expressions. I simply wanted to know why you do it, why you use contractions when that is something more often done so by actual spanish speaking natives, you dig...? Hell from now on I will speak slang too, darn it!!! Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" YoSoyHispanolano Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #59 - Posted 12 June 2008, 1:26 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. By Wilgeens Rosenberg. I wanted to once and for all again show you all of the true colors of a supposedly alleged innocent question ask by this individual. You can tell when someone is racist by nature or when racism was early on detected in the so called innocent question. You can tell, when they are using terms to describe others or those they personally think less of, they use lower case letters. Yet, they speak of and telling others to (Go to University) when they do not know basic grammar and punctuation. They speak of assumptions and emotional rational when they are guilty of the same claim also as they contradict themselves in stating that the Netherlands do not grant Birth Rights to immigrant's children and could not answer a basic simple question that the topic in question do actually covering all those aspects of Illegality, Foreign Relations and indeed Rights and Discrimination. Yet, he is claiming that he is not the children of an immigrants when he is Dominican. So, the subject is rather Netherlander and has no business in Dominican issues given what the subject stated above. Jesus, Did you read my post about you caring and concerned about how other people feel. It isn't your perogative if people are racist. Let them be with their ideas. I am sure that they have a heart and reasoning will kick in when one of there own is flung back to quisqueya and rant injustice and racism. Life is funny like that. Besides when these guys are force to look in the mirror about themselves and their people they turn the subject around or attack you because they know deep inside that they are wrong in certain aspects... |
| #60 - Posted 12 June 2008, 1:27 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 337 Posts: 596 | RE: My Hispaniolan Relatives' Hatred & Resentments. FROM: JABAOHAITIAN Jesus, Please leave Arcatype rant and inundate in his own hatred. Who gives a damn if he is racist or not? You have to understand that this world will always have racist or find something to feel a sense of superiority due to their own internal issues. Why waste your time trying to figure out why this young man is filled with so much hate towards haitians? The guys is stuck and doesn't want to evolve. Why would you want to go down a sucken ship? You letting this individual work you up for what.. Most likely he isn't nobody in the dominican society where it even matters what he thinks. ARCATYPE: JABAOHAITIAN....."MOST LIKELY HE ISN'T NOBODY IN THE DOMINICAN SOCIETY WHERE IT EVEN MATTERS WHAT HE THINKS". SO WHO THE HELL CARES WHAT YOU THINK JABAOHAITIAN YOUR A HAITIAN YOUR OPINIONS DONT MEAN ANYTHING IN DOMINICAN SOIL OR SOCIETY AS A HOLE YOUR A FOREIGNER. SO STOP MAKING CLAIMS, THAT YOUR OPINIONS TRULY MATTER BECAUSE THEY DONT NOT BY A SHORT OR LONG STRETCH. AT THE END OF THE DAY IS UP TO THE DOMINICAN GOVERMENT AND IT'S AUTHORITIES TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION COMING FROM HAITI, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT DOMINICAN'S EVENTUALLY WILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM THEMSELVES. Arcatype |