[You know what, you are right... But gosh darn it, quit calling me "Jesus" (lol)!!! By the way, I wanted to tell you it was not that I did not understand what you meant in your slang spanish, it simply just irked my nerves when people do in any language. Be it Creole, French, Spanish or English... but I mean, I understand the feel for wanting to use slang given the flow of lingo and so forth in terms of wit and humor within expressions. I simply wanted to know why you do it, why you use contractions when that is something more often done so by actual spanish speaking natives, you dig...? Hell from now on I will speak slang too, darn it!!!

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Jesus!!!!! Jesus, you're still stuck on that thread. You probably still trying to figure it out..I can see you looking up in your Larousse French/Spanish dictionary and perplex that you still can't grasp what I said..lol... Dude, you are so so haitian it isn't funny...lol...not saying your not part dominican but you sure think like a typical haitian...although a crazy one I cant believe your still on that...have one these guys translate for you..Anyway, I've been speaking spanish for a long time(lived in two spanish speaking countries). I even confuse natives so it is natural for me to flow like a native..btw, don't confuse slang with incorrect spanish..too different things..and you have to know when to talk like that..a language is alive and needs breathing room at times for humour and expression. Didnt you learn that...those are due to your education in Haiti that have you speak all rigid and no life...lol..ok let me stop bugging u.. If you want, I will write in castellano and use vosotros since we were taught that in school in haiti...Take heed to my advice..ok..na pale broder..and respect Hay..

It took you all this time to figure out I am haitian..Damn you're missing more marbles than I thought. Ok Im haitian and your point is? You're dominican.. Nice to meet you. I hurt your little feelings. Your are so delicate and senstive and your poverty background hurts you so bad that you're not part of the "sociedad". I agree the dominican government has the last word on Dominican soil. I thought we establish that DR is a sovereign country..you're confusing me. With the price of gas it will take you longer to save to come down here.lol. Did you get financial aid for that knowledge you have, what a waste of taxpayers money or did you take out a loan in the DR to pay for your education. hmmm???

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It took you all this time to figure out I am haitian.

ARCATYPE: YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!

There is no double standard here. Conditions in DR are not favorable for Haitians to migrant in massive numbers. Dominicans are still fighting for individual rights or basic human necesities (healthcare, education, housing development, jobs, etc.) and Haitians are in searching for the same thing. It's a clash of natives vs. immigrants and what makes it somewhat worse is the restements on BOTH parts. Not just Dominicans but Haitians also. This is not a one sided issue. Haitians dislike Dominicans as well. Haiti needs to provide for its people so they won't leave and DR has to improve conditions for its people also. Dominican and Haitians are the culprits of this massive illegal immigration scheme and the authorities need to a fault on it. I mean when you have children, woman, guns, and drugs along the border that is a major problem. This has to stop for the greater good of both. More so on the Dominican side which is affect by the situation in Haiti. Haiti's gov't is not recognized b/c it doesn't have a Prime Minister and didn't vote in the last one. Dominicans have the CESFRONT and can't stop the follow of illegals, narcotics, and food smuggling. Let's get it together. Keep DR being DR and Haiti being Haiti with an amicable relationship. That's all.

So Arc,

I suppose you would want to amass all of those Haitians in one location at the border, near a lage open ditch of some kind; large enough for One to Two Millions and ask them to say "Perejil" and if they cannot pronounce the such a word properly, right we all know which outcome you have in mind for them, right?

A video like this above probably would not effect on you nor your inhumane heart, would it? However, the funny thing is, your hardcore stance is merely a front and that you are simply a Sh!t talker jut for the hell of the freedom that you can talk, because a true racist would not be wasting his time to even conversing with people whom he/she as a racist has deem less than human.

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[B]DR is not developed to handle illegal immigration. The basic services of health care, education, jobs, etc are not readily avaliable to the majority of the population. THings are changing but overall the majority of the nation is unskilled and competing for the same unskill jobs Haitians are doing. As a result, Haitians are a burden in the sense that they are taking jobs from Dominicans b/c the pay scale is lower. In the U.S., it's different b/c the country is better equipped to handle the immigration. THe DR is "developing" but has a long way to go. There is opportunities in DR but it's limited right now and the poor masses are competing with the illegal Haitians. [/B]

Indeed DR is not a developed country and the developments that are there due to cheap labour provided no other than the haitiano. Not to long ago the same people that reported haitians deported were asking the government to recruit haitians due to lack of people to pick the harvest. Dude, illegal haitians are indirectly put food in the dominicans mouth everyday. They are the one harvesting and maintaining the poultry and other basics that dominicans need to function. I think you haven't took into consideration the contribution of the illegal immigration.

Now it does come with some price and measures to curtail illegal immigration is mandatory to keep things in perspective. I think DR both parties have benefited and need to regulate things so that it won't actually cause the things you've mention above. Many haitians work and aren't paid or sometimes reported for deportation because the empresas don't want to pay. They get hurt on the job and have no social security to take care of them nor their family..Imagine being illegal in the DR looking for work..I can't nor can you..that's rolling a bad dice..but unfortunately these people are making the best of what they have.


[B]Illegal immigration is wrong. I recently had an uncle deported to DR b/c he didn't have papers. This man has four kids, paid taxes, and work to provide for his family. I was upset he was deported for being illegal especially after he paid taxes like citizens do. So he was reporting and not finidng out like many do. Just a double start of American hyprocrity However, the laws are in place to re-patriate all illegals which I understand are to be followed. When this came up I started to reflect on why he left in the first place and that was b/c of the lack of opportunities in DR. The real problem is that countries are not providing for its ppl which forces a mass illegal immigration by those seeking a better life. Mexicans moving to the US and Haitians to DR. [COLOR=#ED1C24]The real problem Jabao is that Haiti is not providing for its people and Haitians should demand more and create a movement for better opportunities.[/COLOR]
The dispora should always be allowed to represent where they are from regardless of where they live. It's as simple as that.

As far as papers goes or birth certificates, DR is sufficently deficient on providing papers to its people. It's not only Dominicans of Haitian descent that suffer from such problem its a general issue for all Dominicans. [/B]

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Illegal immigration is wrong but b4 criticising walk in their shoes. I am sorry to hear your Uncle getting deported although he paid his taxes. I can imagine the trauma this has caused for his family. I know you would think I would say good..but la vida es redonda. We can sit her and bash him but I respect this man for taking a stand and doing something whether in the long run it might hurt him but hunger doesn't wait for future or well thought out plans. The above in read, well que te puedo decir..Guilty as charge and I agree with you one hundred percent. The haitian government is responsible and the NGO's stirring this campaign for sitting playing referee rather than do something. If you only knew what rage I get into due to the fustration of my government. I ask you and all dominicans to join in the campaign to pressure the NGO's and haitians in government you care about their pocket to step up or step out..el pobre haitiano working to survive is a double victim..jodido by his government and on foreign soil.. When ever you come down b4 snapping a picture hear the stories of construction who actually built it and ask them why the ended up in the DR and just getting the job done..God bless ur uncle and his family hope he had some money saved to invest in the DR and get him on his feet..

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Thank you for your reply Jabao. My question is why don't Haitians fight for change in Haiti???? The majority are poor and they have a powerful voice. This goes for Dominicans as well. Dominicans like Haitians have to fight for their rights, discriminations, opportunities and demand it from there respective gov'ts or create a movement that will represent the voice of the people. Is it lack of education in the population that doesn't allow them to see objectively? Is that why they don't fight to change conditions in their respective countries? Corruption is the root of all evil and lack of education is equalizer to fight against it. Since the population is able to think critically they just start to accept as a way of life. That's not the right way to live and that's why poor or developing countries neither get developed. These places don't invest in the future of their country aka their OWN people.

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So Arc,

Would you openly admit that you are a racist and get it over with? I mean no hiding behind the bush.

You have to pay attention to your words and see how even if you had the most valid excusable case against a Haitian why people will not grant you respect for your cause because your words depict you as a bigot. (Now if you are being attacked personally, I would say you had leverage).

ARCATYPE: I DID NOT SPEAK ABOUT RACE, I STATED CLEARLY THAT DOMINICANS NEVER INVADED HAITI WHICH IS A FACT. THE ACTS OF TRUJILLO WERE NOT COMMITED BY THE DOMINICAN PEOPLE, BUT BY HIS AGENTS.

Just a little side note. I'm not saying that the D.R is a racist or biased society as some paint it to be but it certainly is anti-Haitian and no I'm not wrongly accusing or making false claims. The problem I really have is not that Haitians are not liked over there. My problem is that some Dominicans claim their country hold no grudges against Haitians and are simply protecting their sovereignty and that is a half-truth and everybody knows it. Haitians in Haiti rarely ever speak a word about the D.R if you didn't know. Historical resentment (1937 massacre is what Haitians know most about when it comes to Haiti & D.R relations) doesn't really matter in Haiti. Most Haitians (which are poor) are too busy trying to live a decent life than to worry about what's happening on the other side of the border. Ny4life you make it seem as if Haitians dislike Dominicans and although some do, they are mainly the ones that probably had bad experiences there or from stories they heard. There is no social dislike against Dominicans in Haiti and there is no prejudice towards them. The level of resentment is much much stronger from the east to the west than the west to the east if you get my drift.

"ARCATYPE: I DID NOT SPEAK ABOUT RACE, I STATED CLEARLY THAT DOMINICANS NEVER INVADED HAITI WHICH IS A FACT. THE ACTS OF TRUJILLO WERE NOT COMMITED BY THE DOMINICAN PEOPLE, BUT BY HIS AGENTS."

It's interesting that you chose to distance yourself from the actions taken by Trujillo's regime. It demonstates that you have something that I though you lacked, namely a conscious. Good for you arcatype.