Thank you for your reply Jabao. My question is why don't Haitians fight for change in Haiti???? The majority are poor and they have a powerful voice. This goes for Dominicans as well. Dominicans like Haitians have to fight for their rights, discriminations, opportunities and demand it from there respective gov'ts or create a movement that will represent the voice of the people. Is it lack of education in the population that doesn't allow them to see objectively? Is that why they don't fight to change conditions in their respective countries? Corruption is the root of all evil and lack of education is equalizer to fight against it. Since the population is able to think critically they just start to accept as a way of life. That's not the right way to live and that's why poor or developing countries neither get developed. These places don't invest in the future of their country aka their OWN people.

My question is instead or rather: How do you know they are not? Indeed you have said it, the majority are poor but rather as you have been denying or fail to realize, the power of powerful voices of the people are being taken away from them daily in this day and age.

By that, I do not mean for only Haitians or Haiti as you said it best it is always a constant struggle between the mass and the supposedly governments. How do you know that people are not doing just that? Better yet, we are the future generations of the supposed world to be and come, why are we not engaging those issues? Why are we being just like the old ones who have left us nothing but the inheritances of hatred, racism and made up differences and not try to be those movements you have mentioned ourselves? That lack of education you are talking about is ours as well the new generation who are not acting like we know better. If you, me, and others like us, all of us know all this much about what the problems are, why the hell are we not doing anything about it? There you have said it again, and indeed most Country's populations tend to feel the have to live with it because they have concede to what they have come to accept as the norms that they feel powerless against. This theor(ium) does not implied Haiti, DR or one single Country alone, it implies further more all of us this new and future generation to know that we have a greater obligation against evil if we know all this much.

We are a bunch of grown ass young men and women who do not stand for anything or anyone cause besides the cause of video games, casual sex and instinctive way of live that involves simple eat, drink, sleep and nothing else... even school we go to we do for instinctive reasons and self greed and not for any major causes.

Like I keep saying: Our playing small does not help the world.

FROM: HISPANOLANO


A video like this above probably would not effect on you nor your inhumane heart, would it? However, the funny thing is, your hardcore stance is merely a front and that you are simply a Sh!t talker jut for the hell of the freedom that you can talk, because a true racist would not be wasting his time to even conversing with people whom he/she as a racist has deem less than human.
ARCATYPE: THE HAITIAN ALIBI RACE, BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT RACISM. DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE REAL EFFECTS OF RACISM IN HAITI PERPETRATED BY IT'S ELITES AND GOVERMENT.

"ARCATYPE: THE HAITIAN ALIBI RACE, BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT RACISM. DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE REAL EFFECTS OF RACISM IN HAITI PERPETRATED BY IT'S ELITES AND GOVERMENT."

Arcatype brings up a valid point. Very rarely do haitians come on here and denounce the very racism rampant in their society.

FROM: CIBAENO75
Arcatype brings up a valid point. Very rarely do haitians come on here and denounce the very racism rampant in their society.
ARCATYPE: IM TRYING TO BE OBJECTIVE AND NEUTRAL, BUT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH IT'S REALLY A WASTE OF TIME, THE HOT BUTTON QUESTIONS ARE NEVER ANSWERED.

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[B][U]FROM: HISPANOLANO[/U][/B]
A video like this above probably would not effect on you nor your inhumane heart, would it? However, the funny thing is, your hardcore stance is merely a front and that you are simply a Sh!t talker jut for the hell of the freedom that you can talk, because a true racist would not be wasting his time to even conversing with people whom he/she as a racist has deem less than human.
[B][U]ARCATYPE: [/U][/B][B]THE HAITIAN ALIBI RACE, BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT RACISM. DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE REAL EFFECTS OF RACISM IN HAITI PERPETRATED BY IT'S ELITES AND GOVERMENT. [/B] [/QUOTE]

Arcatype,

For the last time as your stoburn mule hard headed will not comprehend and allow to sink in... I have many times explained to you the differences between "Racism" and "Classicism" to stress that in Haiti it is more a case of Classicism than it is Racism.

The hatred or general hate that most Haitians may have towards Dominicans or verse versa in many sense can be more Retaliatory Racism than it is more firmly only so any other possible racism thus Xenophobia. However you are too ignorant accept their definitions..As well as I have given you a stretched version in the comprehension of "Revolutionary Racism" and "Discriminative Racism"

Here in simple terms perhaps others on here might have another or a better interpretation to explain them to you, nonetheless in laymen terms that could be banal to most:

Racism when you based your actions and judgements solemnly on skin. ethnic or background premises.

Classicism when you based your actions and judgments mostly on stature, class, or level premises.

Revolutionary Racism when a group of people who were oppressed, suppressed by another group revolted thus the race of that other group became more like a trigger for possible reprisals due to still possible fear that such a group may still wish the oppress and suppress them.

Discriminative Racism when a group of people obviously are adamantly and directly against another group because of those differences as their hatred actions are racially motivated and justified undeniably or deniably under the premises of historical racial tensions and frictions.

PS: We all know all this will not mean or resonate well with you. Like I said, if in a global sense of humane humanity of hearts this video had no kinds of effect on you, surely all this explanation in definition above will not either. Pretty much what most people are trying to get at you to understand and to come to terms with is that: "You are basically at the highest or perhaps lowest form possible, a waste of time." AntonioJ, Lautaro, Cibaeno and many others has proven this case and claim to be true.

Cibaeno,

I see what you are saying... Many times I point out the reason perhaps why that is and not so much that it is so... As I have or all of us have agreed by stating the level of resentments that exist between the two Countries in many sense are mutually shared on both sides.

Let us not keep going around with this as though we both Dominicans and Haitians never actually do admit and say that we know of those racial tensions between the two Nations. However if you have lived in Haiti which I doubt it any Dominicans have never made that reach across the aisle to do, but if you have lived in Haiti you will see racial issues is almost an unspoken matter since in Haiti it is more Classicism than Racism and the Racism there is over there in Haiti is still more of an envious manner of that person race due to psychological pre-notions and knowledge that the mass have about the elites that pre-dates into history that the people of lighter colors tend to have money thus again make it so a Classicism issues than it is Racism. Accept or believe it or not as the choice is up to you to either one, but the Racism Haitians have towards Dominicans are more so Retaliatory now than it has anything to do with the known existing frictions, tensions and general historical resentments there may already be between the two Nations.

As to lastly say, given in the eyes of even World International Bodies, DR's actions when it come to the Human Rights Arena has not been helping at all in convincing Haitians that most Actions DR do take against them is not in fact or indeed Racially motivated or not.

I need someone else's input on here. Can someone else of haitian origin describe the racial dynamics in haiti for us? I agree with you hispalano that haiti is a class-oriented society, as is DR, but for you to take out the racial element is frankly absurd. The world over knows that the majority of haiti's elites stem from the small number of mulattoes in said country and that they have been very exclusive as far as to who they let in their ranks (from what I understand haiti's mulatto elites have been more willing to except foreigners into their ranks than a native black haitians who've managed to accumulate wealth). As far as I'm concerned the behavior of Haiti's elites does not differ at all from their brethren on the other side of the border. Si vamos hablar vamos hablar claro.

I got you. Yeah I read it, but I got you. Too easy!

Oh one last thing dawg... Quit calling me "Jesus" Here call me by "Blanco or Blanc" that is my family nick name.

No, no, no...I did not take out the Racial Element. I said the racism in Haiti or that of Haitians that you have implied about are more so Classicism and in matters between the two Countries... unlike in the past it is now for Haiti and Haitians a more retaliatory Racism as in... They are racist toward Dominicans mostly because they feel Dominicans actually are racist towards them more so based on the fact that they are simply Haitians which are often based more on the premises of their skin color and who they are as Haitians more so anything else.

I also said that even if DR was to make certain decisions that would legitimately deemed to be within reserved right of its Sovereign right as a Country, but because of lack of Pro-Activeness on Human Rights Conservation and historically given the Actions of past Trujillo and others like him... It has become more so uncertain for either Haitians or the World International Bodies to know or say that DR's actions are not Racially motivated when indeed most of DR's actions have been actually racially discriminative more so that anything else. Understand?