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#41 - Posted 26 August 2009, 11:47 AM
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I do not mean to exclude altogether the idea of patriotism. I know it exists, and I know it has done much in the present contest. But I will venture to assert, that a great and lasting war can never be supported on this principle alone. It must be aided by a prospect of interest, or some reward.


This last one is priceless, and one can't help but wonder about Duarte's continued devotion for this country, if one takes into account the rotten treatment that he would receive from his own people. There's no worse poison against any patriotic cause than the ingratitude of the people one is trying to defend.


That man is above a beyond a patriot precisely for this reason. When GW gave all he could give for the States, they wanted to make him KING! And Duarte, well...


Trust me, there are some days in which I wonder myself why do I bother in defending this country anymore. The amount of petty offenses and dissapointments just keep piling up.


And the fact that they could not even make good on the consul position!

I'm surprised they dug him up and brought him over.


Do you know the biggest irony of all? that the president to do so would be Ulises Heureaux, who as you know, was of haitian descent. And not only that, he would be the one to institute the tradition of naming him father of the fatherland.



Did our country change gender throughout history?

I actually am being serious, when reading early Dominican history in English I've seen it referred to as "fatherland" but changed to "motherland" later on. Not sure if this is a widespread phenomenon or just the history books for children I read growing up.


In spanish, it is a she (la patria), on english I'm not so sure, I just throw the word at random to see what I get.



In Spanish it is definitely a she, but the English translations I've seen go both ways ( ) so as a kid I was sort of confused. I thought we were up there with Germany (we're often told we had our own "Hitler" ).
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I agree with your general assessment of that word and how it's thrown around. I agree who should be considered a patriot. I don't agree that wanting Haitians out, or at least the majority, is bigoted. But I don't think agreeing that Haitians are a problem is considered "patriotic".

Also someone could be very patriotic and be 10, 50, or 1,600 miles from nuestra patria. One thing I consider a strength of Dominican identity is how Dominican we stay 10, 50, or 1,600 miles away or after being 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation nationalities in another country. But there are many weaknesses as well, unfortunately.

That's all in vain of course. First, second, and third generation Dominicans abroad are not considered Dominicans by anyone in Dominican Republic.
I wouldn't say say "by anyone", I would say by many, even by most.

And you know what's funnier, that many Dominicans living abroad THINK they should be considered the same.

Funny, isn't it?.


Most is correct. Many sons of Dominicans kid themselves. They live in a bubble where they think they are Dominican but in reality are American as anyone else here. I don't know if it's because they are ashamed to be American. I can tell you, I live in Washington Heights and if you ask a person born here what they are it's strictly Dominican. I'm no American!



It's a tangled web, and I myself only said American for most of my life. I had to learn everything: language, culture, mannerism, etc. That basically makes me a well camouflaged foreigner. I understand this. I owe the States a lot for educating me and having good (not great) quality of life. But I do want to move back and contribute. Does that make me Dominican? The short answer is "as long as I think so"...
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#43 - Posted 26 August 2009, 11:51 AM
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Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime.
Ave Maria puriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisima.............what in hell is going on here?...

No no nooooooo, there's no way that I will try to write that "agree" word again.

LAUTAAAAAAAAAAARO, tell this guy I agree with him again, PLEASE.........(just keep it between you and I).



Btw, you guys are posting waaaaaaay too fast for me.......

That said, this "Haitiano" have to go get my "welfare" check so I'll be gone for a bit........we all know those lines are very loooooong!.

Keep posting and I'll, like always, reply to just about ALL posts......see, I am a good host. JAJAJAJA.

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#44 - Posted 26 August 2009, 11:52 AM
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Time and time again I see the word "PATRIOT" be thrown here very freely and frequently.

Most of the time, it makes me wonder if the person saying it TRULY knows the meaning of such a strong word.

But what really amazes me is that those calling one another "PATRIOTA" are those who agree on an specific subject, ESPECIALLY those who agree that Haitians should be kicked out of the DR.

I've never seen so much hate and bigotry in my life than when reading Haitians threads here.

And then to see some of those people call themselves, or those who agree with them, "PATRIOTA", WOWWWW.....

I've never seen so many delusional, hateful and idiotic people call themselves something they will NEVER be.

I guess you can call yourself, or whomever, a "PATRIOTA" when fighting a "war" from the comfort of your air conditioned apartment, 1,600 miles away from your country.

In my opinion, it's sickening and pathetic for these people to put themselves in the same category of true Dominican PATRIOTAS, like Duarte, Sanchez, Mella, Caamano, all the University students who lost their lives fighting the corrupted Government and all those Dominicans who died fighting to better the country.

Why is it that the handful of Dominican intellects here (Lautaro, Hatero, etc.....) don't call themselves "PATRIOTS" when talking about the Haitian problem in the DR?......

Why is it that only hateful and racist, at at times uneducated, Dominicans are the ones ALWAYS calling each other 'PATRIOTAS"?.

I know MY definition of 'PATRIOT"........

Care to tell us yours?.



okay lets see. am i a patriot? yes. should haitians get kicked out of d.r? just the illegal ones. am i racist? the answer is yes but that means every color not just black.
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Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime.
Ave Maria puriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisima.............what in hell is going on here?...

No no nooooooo, there's no way that I will try to write that "agree" word again.

LAUTAAAAAAAAAAARO, tell this guy I agree with him again, PLEASE.........(just keep it between you and I).



Btw, you guys are posting waaaaaaay too fast for me.......

That said, this "Haitiano" have to go get my "welfare" check so I'll be gone for a bit........we all know those lines are very loooooong!.

Keep posting and I'll, like always, reply to just about ALL posts......see, I am a good host. JAJAJAJA.

Later.



Be careful for those line-jumping Afro-Americans. They'll swear those 20 people behind you are their "brothas" and "sistaz" and make you wait an extra 4 hours.
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#47 - Posted 26 August 2009, 11:57 AM
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I agree with your general assessment of that word and how it's thrown around. I agree who should be considered a patriot. I don't agree that wanting Haitians out, or at least the majority, is bigoted. But I don't think agreeing that Haitians are a problem is considered "patriotic".

Also someone could be very patriotic and be 10, 50, or 1,600 miles from nuestra patria. One thing I consider a strength of Dominican identity is how Dominican we stay 10, 50, or 1,600 miles away or after being 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation nationalities in another country. But there are many weaknesses as well, unfortunately.

That's all in vain of course. First, second, and third generation Dominicans abroad are not considered Dominicans by anyone in Dominican Republic.
I wouldn't say say "by anyone", I would say by many, even by most.

And you know what's funnier, that many Dominicans living abroad THINK they should be considered the same.

Funny, isn't it?.


Most is correct. Many sons of Dominicans kid themselves. They live in a bubble where they think they are Dominican but in reality are American as anyone else here. I don't know if it's because they are ashamed to be American. I can tell you, I live in Washington Heights and if you ask a person born here what they are it's strictly Dominican. I'm no American!



It's a tangled web, and I myself only said American for most of my life. I had to learn everything: language, culture, mannerism, etc. That basically makes me a well camouflaged foreigner. I understand this. I owe the States a lot for educating me and having good (not great) quality of life. But I do want to move back and contribute. Does that make me Dominican? The short answer is "as long as I think so"...

Despite what the natives may say if we go back to DR we'll blend in So it's really non issue when you think about it. If we go back back and settle down we'll be one of them.

A little off topic, but do you or anyone else here know if there are real potential benefits from Dominican citizenship? My mother has been telling me for years to get it, all sons of Dominican nationals are eligible of course. I just want to know if it's really worth it.
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#48 - Posted 26 August 2009, 11:58 AM
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I agree with your general assessment of that word and how it's thrown around. I agree who should be considered a patriot. I don't agree that wanting Haitians out, or at least the majority, is bigoted. But I don't think agreeing that Haitians are a problem is considered "patriotic".

Also someone could be very patriotic and be 10, 50, or 1,600 miles from nuestra patria. One thing I consider a strength of Dominican identity is how Dominican we stay 10, 50, or 1,600 miles away or after being 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation nationalities in another country. But there are many weaknesses as well, unfortunately.

That's all in vain of course. First, second, and third generation Dominicans abroad are not considered Dominicans by anyone in Dominican Republic.
I wouldn't say say "by anyone", I would say by many, even by most.

And you know what's funnier, that many Dominicans living abroad THINK they should be considered the same.

Funny, isn't it?.


Most is correct. Many sons of Dominicans kid themselves. They live in a bubble where they think they are Dominican but in reality are American as anyone else here. I don't know if it's because they are ashamed to be American. I can tell you, I live in Washington Heights and if you ask a person born here what they are it's strictly Dominican. I'm no American!


Actually this sentiment follows the same pattern as many other LatinAmericans, my sisters were born here and are actually half Puerto Rican, yet they self-identify as Dominican (without denying they're American born citizens or their Puerto Rican half)
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#49 - Posted 26 August 2009, 12:01 PM
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ElTorodeCibao previously said:

I agree with your general assessment of that word and how it's thrown around. I agree who should be considered a patriot. I don't agree that wanting Haitians out, or at least the majority, is bigoted. But I don't think agreeing that Haitians are a problem is considered "patriotic".

Also someone could be very patriotic and be 10, 50, or 1,600 miles from nuestra patria. One thing I consider a strength of Dominican identity is how Dominican we stay 10, 50, or 1,600 miles away or after being 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation nationalities in another country. But there are many weaknesses as well, unfortunately.

That's all in vain of course. First, second, and third generation Dominicans abroad are not considered Dominicans by anyone in Dominican Republic.
I wouldn't say say "by anyone", I would say by many, even by most.

And you know what's funnier, that many Dominicans living abroad THINK they should be considered the same.

Funny, isn't it?.


Most is correct. Many sons of Dominicans kid themselves. They live in a bubble where they think they are Dominican but in reality are American as anyone else here. I don't know if it's because they are ashamed to be American. I can tell you, I live in Washington Heights and if you ask a person born here what they are it's strictly Dominican. I'm no American!



It's a tangled web, and I myself only said American for most of my life. I had to learn everything: language, culture, mannerism, etc. That basically makes me a well camouflaged foreigner. I understand this. I owe the States a lot for educating me and having good (not great) quality of life. But I do want to move back and contribute. Does that make me Dominican? The short answer is "as long as I think so"...

Despite what the natives may say if we go back to DR we'll blend in So it's really non issue when you think about it. If we go back back and settle down we'll be one of them.

A little off topic, but do you or anyone else here know if there are real potential benefits from Dominican citizenship? My mother has been telling me for years to get it, all sons of Dominican nationals are eligible of course. I just want to know if it's really worth it.


Definitely, and I understand this. I just hope the same for my gringa wifey!

Now on to the bold area. I will refrain from typing in a incoherent fashion and what you just stated has me jittery and dizzy. Are you saying we're eligible for DR citizenship? I've never looked into it, but was hoping us Americans born of Dominican nationals would be eligible for it without renouncing American citizenship sort of like the right of return law for Israel and Ireland. Benefits or not, I would apply simply because I didn't think it was possible and hoped it would be. My father always told me it didn't exist in that form, and that I would have to give up being an American.
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ElTorodeCibao previously said:

I agree with your general assessment of that word and how it's thrown around. I agree who should be considered a patriot. I don't agree that wanting Haitians out, or at least the majority, is bigoted. But I don't think agreeing that Haitians are a problem is considered "patriotic".

Also someone could be very patriotic and be 10, 50, or 1,600 miles from nuestra patria. One thing I consider a strength of Dominican identity is how Dominican we stay 10, 50, or 1,600 miles away or after being 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation nationalities in another country. But there are many weaknesses as well, unfortunately.

That's all in vain of course. First, second, and third generation Dominicans abroad are not considered Dominicans by anyone in Dominican Republic.
I wouldn't say say "by anyone", I would say by many, even by most.

And you know what's funnier, that many Dominicans living abroad THINK they should be considered the same.

Funny, isn't it?.


Most is correct. Many sons of Dominicans kid themselves. They live in a bubble where they think they are Dominican but in reality are American as anyone else here. I don't know if it's because they are ashamed to be American. I can tell you, I live in Washington Heights and if you ask a person born here what they are it's strictly Dominican. I'm no American!



It's a tangled web, and I myself only said American for most of my life. I had to learn everything: language, culture, mannerism, etc. That basically makes me a well camouflaged foreigner. I understand this. I owe the States a lot for educating me and having good (not great) quality of life. But I do want to move back and contribute. Does that make me Dominican? The short answer is "as long as I think so"...

Despite what the natives may say if we go back to DR we'll blend in So it's really non issue when you think about it. If we go back back and settle down we'll be one of them.

A little off topic, but do you or anyone else here know if there are real potential benefits from Dominican citizenship? My mother has been telling me for years to get it, all sons of Dominican nationals are eligible of course. I just want to know if it's really worth it.


Definitely, and I understand this. I just hope the same for my gringa wifey!

Now on to the bold area. I will refrain from typing in a incoherent fashion and what you just stated has me jittery and dizzy. Are you saying we're eligible for DR citizenship? I've never looked into it, but was hoping us Americans born of Dominican nationals would be eligible for it without renouncing American citizenship sort of like the right of return law for Israel and Ireland. Benefits or not, I would apply simply because I didn't think it was possible and hoped it would be. My father always told me it didn't exist in that form, and that I would have to give up being an American.


He's wrong. Double citizenship is definitely enshrined in our constitution, the congressmen took special pains to satisfy the whims of the diaspora on this reform, as the sons and daughters are automatically entitled to the dominican nationality despite the fact of being born on foreign lands.
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