| #1 - Posted 28 August 2009, 12:14 PM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3575 | DOMINICAN'S DEMOCRACY BUILDER, THIRD PERIOD OF HIS GOVERNMENT 1974-1978 This following week will be the 103 anniversary of Joaquin Balaguer. Telemirco-int (channel 234 CABLE NY) will honor this man birthday on Saturday Sep 5th 2009 at 5pm with the title EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA. Those on the lefty side hated the man to death and see nothing good came out of him. Nevertheless the majority of Dominican adores the man who gave them stability during his time in office and made the foundation to our democracy. He was a fierce Anti-Communist who did not cede an inch to the socialist, pacifist, humanist or human right. During his earliest year as president communism was threatening the entire world with complete slavery of the human race. Some people claim that he was the same bloodsucker as Trujillo. During his presidency few Dominicans felt the need to emigrate outside their country. The Dominican pesos equal one U.S. dollar, a gallon of gas 40Cent, economic growth every year, food was relatively very cheap, tourism industry got it leg thru Balaguer, so strong on crime where you could sleep with your door unlock and leave it open all day, the most important of all in term of our patriotism when they used to send a soldier to the Fronteras it used to be a punishment to that soldier. They will think twice before taking money by letting an illegal Haitian cross the border. That will tell you where he stood on the Haitian problem. Nowadays I had seen it with my own eyes of a soldier bragging that he didnt pay much to get a spot in the Fronteras because according to him he got in good time. This is one of the reasons why Balaguer is called racist by pacifist humanist like that Dominican traitor with agenda junot Diaz and many others like him or are hiding in the closet. Of all the president or head of state in DR he is probably the only one who never got richer at the mercy of the state. Nobody ever found him taking money from the govt. He dies as he lives very modest. It is a saying when he used to be president. La corrupcion se para en el palacio. Yet he used to swim with the fierce of the fierce shark there was in DR. He is the only Dominican head of state to held accountable previous head of state like in the case of Jorge Blanco who sacked DR. Nowadays these leaders made a pact between each other where none can be prosecuted after their term end. To all the Dominicans here what is your take good or bad what you heard or think of the most important Dominican in term of significance to the democracy of our country. see here minute 4:20 Edited on 10/6/2010 10:47 AM by vacanos. "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain. "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery" Churchill |
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| #2 - Posted 28 August 2009, 12:46 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5738 | RE: EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA Sorry to contradict you on this, but dominican emigration to the US happened in earnest PRECISELY during three of his mandates (1970-1974, 1974-1978 and 1986-1990). On the first periods, because of the political opposition that many dominicans had against his semi-dictatorship, and the last one, the most severe, was because of economic problems posed by the policies that he enacted during that period, which were unwarranted given the deteriorated economic situation of the country after the economic downturn of the preceding years, and which called for a more discrete and cautious approach in public expenditure. Edited on 8/28/2009 12:54 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #3 - Posted 28 August 2009, 3:12 PM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3575 | RE: EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA Quote: Lautaro previously said: Sorry to contradict you on this, but dominican emigration to the US happened in earnest PRECISELY during three of his mandates (1970-1974, 1974-1978 and 1986-1990). On the first periods, because of the political opposition that many dominicans had against his semi-dictatorship, and the last one, the most severe, was because of economic problems posed by the policies that he enacted during that period, which were unwarranted given the deteriorated economic situation of the country after the economic downturn of the preceding years, and which called for a more discrete and cautious approach in public expenditure. please don’t be sorry. In the 1970? They weren’t that many Dominican going oversea looking for a better life or flooding the U.S. embassy looking for a visa for starter as opposed after the mini-civil war of 1984 when the PRD sacked our country Yes they were those Dominican on the very left who felt persecuted by Balaguer during the 1970 who left the country. But it has to do with the lefty looking to overthrow Balaguer way before Camano invasion from Cuba. when a country is relatively in par with the currency of the most powerful country in the world or having cheap gas and food. Do you think that country is having such a hard time? I think it is fair to say and we can agree when Balaguer gave the country to the PRD our country was a stable country (at least). By 1985 with all the corruption going on where the state was left bankrupt with no money to pay our debt. The only thing in our favor in order for the country not to fall into a full blown civil war was that the election was in the coming year. I lived thru that hell during Jorge Blanco. Why did the people of DR voted in for Balaguer in 1986? When Balaguer assumed the presidency in 1986 the country had no money and the dollar was going thru the roof by this time18 pesos. He stabilized the country back and maintained the pesos. At this time came the massive emigration out of our country. I was one of them. I like many other lower class Dominican families didn’t have a need to emigrate oversea during Balaguer when he was in power before 1978. The big wave and people taking JOLAS out of our country started after the sacked of our country by the PRD (1978-1986) one president killed himself out of embarrasment and the other sent to jail. finally the name contructor de la democracia dominicana come from the program to be aired by telemicro in his 103 aniversary sept 5 not from me but i do AGREE with the title. "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain. "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery" Churchill |
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| #4 - Posted 28 August 2009, 3:33 PM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3575 | RE: EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA Lautaro I'm surprised to see you attacking him, especially given the fact that he stood tall and the only president over the last 50 year who understood our Haitian problem. Which to me is our number issue threatening our identity. Yes there was a time when a soldier sent to Dajabon meant punishment. "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain. "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery" Churchill |
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| #5 - Posted 28 August 2009, 3:39 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5738 | RE: EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA Quote: vacanos previously said: Lautaro I'm surprised to see you attacking him, especially given the fact that he stood tall and the only president over the last 50 year who understood our Haitian problem. Which to me is our number issue threatening our identity. Yes there was a time when a soldier sent to Dajabon meant punishment. The reason that I'm attacking him is because his complacent behavior in the face of the corruption plaguing our armed forces and business class is the main reason that explains why we have an haitian problem at all, vac. If he would have adopted a different behavior than "the constitution is a goddamn piece of paper" one that he encouraged, you and many other dominicans wouldn't have felt the need to take a yola, and this is a fact. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #6 - Posted 28 August 2009, 4:10 PM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3575 | RE: EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: vacanos previously said: Lautaro I'm surprised to see you attacking him, especially given the fact that he stood tall and the only president over the last 50 year who understood our Haitian problem. Which to me is our number issue threatening our identity. Yes there was a time when a soldier sent to Dajabon meant punishment. The reason that I'm attacking him is because his complacent behavior in the face of the corruption plaguing our armed forces and business class is the main reason that explains why we have an haitian problem at all, vac. If he would have adopted a different behavior than "the constitution is a goddamn piece of paper" one that he encouraged, you and many other dominicans wouldn't have felt the need to take a yola, and this is a fact. I really respect your opinion Lautaro like many other here who have low regard for Balaguer. But the reason many Dominican like me emigrated in mass like refugee after the mid 1980 was not Balaguer fault. The reason I came here Lautaro had to do with the PRD as a whole that from 1978-86 did nothing more for DR than sucked us dry. My father a regular Dominican in 1977 bought a brand new car daihatsu by the way. After the destabilization of 1984-5 how many regular Dominican can say they had bought a brand new car? that is what I want you to see in that regard. Remember Balaguer came to power after the mini-civil war in 1986 when the country was destabilized just like 2003 with Hipolito. Nevertheless I admit you brought a good point with the corruption plaguing the armed forces during his presidency. "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain. "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery" Churchill |
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| #7 - Posted 28 August 2009, 5:00 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1807 | RE: EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA Quote: vacanos previously said: This following week will be the 103 anniversary of Joaquin Balaguer. Telemirco-int (channel 234 CABLE NY) will honor this man birthday on Saturday Sep 5th 2009 at 5pm with the title EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA. Those on the lefty side hated the man to death and see nothing good came out of him. Nevertheless the majority of Dominican adores the man who gave them stability during his time in office and made the foundation to our democracy. He was a fierce Anti-Communist who did not cede an inch to the socialist, pacifist, humanist or human right. During his earliest year as president communism was threatening the entire world with complete slavery of the human race. Some people claim that he was the same bloodsucker as Trujillo. During his presidency few Dominicans felt the need to emigrate outside their country. The Dominican pesos equal one U.S. dollar, a gallon of gas 40Cent, economic growth every year, food was relatively very cheap, tourism industry got it leg thru Balaguer, so strong on crime where you could sleep with your door unlock and leave it open all day, the most important of all in term of our patriotism when they used to send a soldier to the Fronteras it used to be a punishment to that soldier. They will think twice before taking money by letting an illegal Haitian cross the border. That will tell you where he stood on the Haitian problem. Nowadays I had seen it with my own eyes of a soldier bragging that he didnt pay much to get a spot in the Fronteras because according to him he got in good time. This is one of the reasons why Balaguer is called racist by pacifist humanist like that Dominican traitor with agenda junot Diaz and many others like him or are hiding in the closet. Of all the president or head of state in DR he is probably the only one who never got richer at the mercy of the state. Nobody ever found him taking money from the govt. He dies as he lives very modest. It is a saying when he used to be president. La corrupcion se para en el palacio. Yet he used to swim with the fierce of the fierce shark there was in DR. He is the only Dominican head of state to held accountable previous head of state like in the case of Jorge Blanco who sacked DR. Nowadays these leaders made a pact between each other where none can be prosecuted after their term end. To all the Dominicans here what is your take good or bad what you heard or think of the most important Dominican in term of significance to the democracy of our country. see here minute 4:20 Balaguer! A president, a man I learned to like after I became and adult. In the late eighties even though I was too young to understand any political movement, I only understood the language of the older peers. I hated the man, like all the young turks of that generation, why did they hate him or them, La Banda Colora? Well, now I believe it was mainly the Dominican phenomenon always happening in DR "Monkey see, Monkey Do” If someone doed something that makes him popular of successful everyone start doing the same. I must say, that now days Dominican in DR are like my grandmother used to say "Como chivos sin ley". Everyone is doing what they want. Back in Balaguer time there were was more respect among citizens. So there were few people who disappear back them, there is no difference now days, anybody can disappear in the hands of criminals, and the criminals outnumber the regular citizens. Yes there were kidnapping back them, you had to abide by the military laws and walk straight, now you have to be in constant look out not to get robbed. My Dominican family does not want me to go to DR by myself, they are afraid I get held up. Now that was very rare back in Balaguer time. There is nothing wrong being a pacifist-humanist, Balaguer was one of them!!! Balaguer was a pacifist: He kept order in our streets with the toques de queda. It was nice sometimes to see your neighborhood so peacefully quiet. You could hear a pin falling dropping on the street asphalt. No one will dare to blast a radio late at night past ten PM. Now that is what I call a pacifist. Balaguer was a Humanist: You kow when hunger strikes normally human become animals. He cared so much about humanity that he made sure our human needs and rights were met by providing border control, subsidizing our campesinos and their farms, and lastly PROVIDING LOW INCOME FOOD in LOS COMEDORES PUBLICOS in the poorer neighborhoods. Now that is what I call a humanist! Edited on 8/28/2009 5:16 PM by poponlaburra. "PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry" |
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| #8 - Posted 29 August 2009, 2:59 AM | |
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| #9 - Posted 29 August 2009, 3:00 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 1271 | RE: EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA to call Balaguer a 'pacifist' and 'humanist' is a sacrilege Edited on 8/29/2009 3:13 AM by Glimmertwin. |
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| #10 - Posted 29 August 2009, 3:04 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 1271 | RE: EL CONTRUCTOR DE LA DEMOCRACIA DOMINICANA deleted Edited on 8/29/2009 3:14 AM by Glimmertwin. |
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