"The real Dominican" video. - Santo Domingo

RE: "The real Dominican" video.

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Those, along with cultural anthro and paleoanthro are some of my "light" reading in my spare time. I don't fancy myself a scholar in any way, shape, or form but I highly enjoy the absorption of knowledge in said feilds.

That's the thing though, a NON-Dominican made it, throwing out this idea of us whitening ourselves or taino'ing ourselves or whatever.

I'd say all 4 are fair game for these wackos, but DR is far and above a favored one because our diaspora has projected a false image of us. False not because those types of Dominicans don't exist, but because I don't feel they are the majority.

The average person in the USA, in general, when they think of Dominicans thinks of our baseball players and that is what they base their perception on. Kind of dumb to generalize an entire country based on the players of a particular sport, but it's a common human condition.
Ask Dominicans who leave the NJ/NYC area, the further out you go, the more you'll be exposed to what they assume a typical Dominican looks like. My uncle lived out in Texas with a Mexican women, all the Mexicans thought he was Puerto Rican, the black & white Americans thought he was either sometype of foreigner or an odd 'Mexican mix'. When I visit out there the same goes for me.
I have family that moved out to North Carolina, the following is a partial list of what they were confused for:

-East Indian
-Mexican (based on I don't know what, that they speak Spanish?)
-Cuban
-Arab/Middle Eastern
-What are you? black or white? A question asked to my aunt.
Surprisingly, I would've assumed that the ones who display mulattoness would've just been considered black, but again I was surprised , I cannot even second guess it.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but the one drop rule is a northern invention that was imposed to the south at the end of the civil war. The pre-civil war southern society was as three-tiered as any latin american country.

I always thought it was only the former French territory of Louisiana that had a society that was most similar to LatinAmerica before they were purchased and 'OneDropped' all of the Creoles of Afrodescendancy. To this day one can still see alot more admixture with those that self-identify as creoles Louisiana.

You can find it all on this sites:

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=15

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=16

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=17

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=19

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=20

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=21

For my part, I have to say that the yankees never fooled me, cuz' their hipocrisy is thinly veiled. At the very least, the southeners are honest and will tell you their feelings in your face, while the yanks would wait for you to turn your back in order to slit your throat with their knives.

Thanks for the links. Since you're familiar with that site you may then know the author of the video in this thread, he goes by the following handles; Salssasin, Otorongo, Yaguar.

Since you've mentioned hypocrisy, here's a couple of hypocritical double-standards I've noticed:

1. When Dominicans started to arrive in substantial numbers in the 1980's, they clashed with the more established Puerto Rican community (the usual rivalry/tension between 2 immigrant groups). It got so bad that local community leaders/politicians from both communities had to get involve and it also made it to the news. Never were there cries of 'racism'.

2. A similar thing occured (but more limited in scope) between segments of the Dominican community and African Americans, except that now one reads the usual race card thrown in.

3. African Americans have clashed with Africans & Caribbean blacks (including Haitians), but no cries of racism, it's labelled 'cultural differences'. When Africans & Caribbean blacks discourage there children from dating/marrying African Americans, it's due to 'cultural differences'.

4. Subsitute Dominicans for Africans/Caribbean blacks in example #3, and now it's labelled 'racism', and since there are also black Dominicans, an additional label of 'self-hate'.
^

Why? Why the hypocritical/double-standard and use of the race card? Why the obsession by New World Afrodiasporic people from the Anglophone world (overwhelmingly African Americans and some Caribbeans) with Latinos of Afrodescendancy? You don't read/see any of us obsessing over the fact that they have a society that ignores/rejects ones other heritages if one of them happens to be of Afrodescendany. You don't read/see us getting rabid over the fact that people like Obama or Alisha Keys are not called mixed. We understand that is their culture.

Does he knows that his ban was lifted on the study of racialism site? Cuz' he and Oevega haven't appeared over there after the fact.

"A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good."

Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince

#123 - Posted 2 September 2009, 11:35 AM
ElTorodeiCibao Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Those, along with cultural anthro and paleoanthro are some of my "light" reading in my spare time. I don't fancy myself a scholar in any way, shape, or form but I highly enjoy the absorption of knowledge in said feilds. That's the thing though, a NON-Dominican made it, throwing out this idea of us whitening ourselves or taino'ing ourselves or whatever. I'd say all 4 are fair game for these wackos, but DR is far and above a favored one because our diaspora has projected a false image of us. False not because those types of Dominicans don't exist, but because I don't feel they are the majority. The average person in the USA, in general, when they think of Dominicans thinks of our baseball players and that is what they base their perception on. Kind of dumb to generalize an entire country based on the players of a particular sport, but it's a common human condition. Ask Dominicans who leave the NJ/NYC area, the further out you go, the more you'll be exposed to what they assume a typical Dominican looks like. My uncle lived out in Texas with a Mexican women, all the Mexicans thought he was Puerto Rican, the black & white Americans thought he was either sometype of foreigner or an odd 'Mexican mix'. When I visit out there the same goes for me. I have family that moved out to North Carolina, the following is a partial list of what they were confused for: -East Indian -Mexican (based on I don't know what, that they speak Spanish?) -Cuban -Arab/Middle Eastern -What are you? black or white? A question asked to my aunt. Surprisingly, I would've assumed that the ones who display mulattoness would've just been considered black, but again I was surprised , I cannot even second guess it. I don't know if you're aware of this, but the one drop rule is a northern invention that was imposed to the south at the end of the civil war. The pre-civil war southern society was as three-tiered as any latin american country. I always thought it was only the former French territory of Louisiana that had a society that was most similar to LatinAmerica before they were purchased and 'OneDropped' all of the Creoles of Afrodescendancy. To this day one can still see alot more admixture with those that self-identify as creoles Louisiana. You can find it all on this sites: http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=15 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=16 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=17 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=19 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=20 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=21 For my part, I have to say that the yankees never fooled me, cuz' their hipocrisy is thinly veiled. At the very least, the southeners are honest and will tell you their feelings in your face, while the yanks would wait for you to turn your back in order to slit your throat with their knives. Thanks for the links. Since you're familiar with that site you may then know the author of the video in this thread, he goes by the following handles; Salssasin, Otorongo, Yaguar. Since you've mentioned hypocrisy, here's a couple of hypocritical double-standards I've noticed: 1. When Dominicans started to arrive in substantial numbers in the 1980's, they clashed with the more established Puerto Rican community (the usual rivalry/tension between 2 immigrant groups). It got so bad that local community leaders/politicians from both communities had to get involve and it also made it to the news. Never were there cries of 'racism'. 2. A similar thing occured (but more limited in scope) between segments of the Dominican community and African Americans, except that now one reads the usual race card thrown in. 3. African Americans have clashed with Africans & Caribbean blacks (including Haitians), but no cries of racism, it's labelled 'cultural differences'. When Africans & Caribbean blacks discourage there children from dating/marrying African Americans, it's due to 'cultural differences'. 4. Subsitute Dominicans for Africans/Caribbean blacks in example #3, and now it's labelled 'racism', and since there are also black Dominicans, an additional label of 'self-hate'. ^ Why? Why the hypocritical/double-standard and use of the race card? Why the obsession by New World Afrodiasporic people from the Anglophone world (overwhelmingly African Americans and some Caribbeans) with Latinos of Afrodescendancy? You don't read/see any of us obsessing over the fact that they have a society that ignores/rejects ones other heritages if one of them happens to be of Afrodescendany. You don't read/see us getting rabid over the fact that people like Obama or Alisha Keys are not called mixed. We understand that is their culture. I thought his youtube handle "Salssasin" looked familiar. I never post but it's a cornucopia of knowledge. To add to Lautaro's comments and his links, Antebellum South had highly blurred color lines compared to the north. I was surprised to find out via thestudyofracialism that the Chinese were considered White in pre-jim crow south US. This is obviously radically different from today and even different from Latin America. Francophone America was definitely much more like Latin America, compared to the Anglophone south. 1)I was often told of this growing up, and suffered somewhat but less than my father. My father in the 60's/70's fought more Puerto Ricans than Dominicans,Blacks,Whites, and anyone else combined. He was constantly called "Platano". 2)I've read accounts of this and have been told by AA's before than "Dominicans are the most racist Hispanics". I think it's more a clash of culture than supposed "race". 3)I debated this in the Racism thread and was told "This doesn't exist" by an AA poster here and the Haitian young man. I've had Haitians tell me MUCH differently. 4)We are a racislist favorite. The idea of calling someone like Obama who is REALLY a mulatto/biracial never sat well with me. But that's the American hypodescent for you.
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#121 - Posted 2 September 2009, 11:22 AM
USADR Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Those, along with cultural anthro and paleoanthro are some of my "light" reading in my spare time. I don't fancy myself a scholar in any way, shape, or form but I highly enjoy the absorption of knowledge in said feilds. That's the thing though, a NON-Dominican made it, throwing out this idea of us whitening ourselves or taino'ing ourselves or whatever. I'd say all 4 are fair game for these wackos, but DR is far and above a favored one because our diaspora has projected a false image of us. False not because those types of Dominicans don't exist, but because I don't feel they are the majority. The average person in the USA, in general, when they think of Dominicans thinks of our baseball players and that is what they base their perception on. Kind of dumb to generalize an entire country based on the players of a particular sport, but it's a common human condition. Ask Dominicans who leave the NJ/NYC area, the further out you go, the more you'll be exposed to what they assume a typical Dominican looks like. My uncle lived out in Texas with a Mexican women, all the Mexicans thought he was Puerto Rican, the black & white Americans thought he was either sometype of foreigner or an odd 'Mexican mix'. When I visit out there the same goes for me. I have family that moved out to North Carolina, the following is a partial list of what they were confused for: -East Indian -Mexican (based on I don't know what, that they speak Spanish?) -Cuban -Arab/Middle Eastern -What are you? black or white? A question asked to my aunt. Surprisingly, I would've assumed that the ones who display mulattoness would've just been considered black, but again I was surprised , I cannot even second guess it. I don't know if you're aware of this, but the one drop rule is a northern invention that was imposed to the south at the end of the civil war. The pre-civil war southern society was as three-tiered as any latin american country. I always thought it was only the former French territory of Louisiana that had a society that was most similar to LatinAmerica before they were purchased and 'OneDropped' all of the Creoles of Afrodescendancy. To this day one can still see alot more admixture with those that self-identify as creoles Louisiana. You can find it all on this sites: http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=15 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=16 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=17 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=19 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=20 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=21 For my part, I have to say that the yankees never fooled me, cuz' their hipocrisy is thinly veiled. At the very least, the southeners are honest and will tell you their feelings in your face, while the yanks would wait for you to turn your back in order to slit your throat with their knives. Thanks for the links. Since you're familiar with that site you may then know the author of the video in this thread, he goes by the following handles; Salssasin, Otorongo, Yaguar. Since you've mentioned hypocrisy, here's a couple of hypocritical double-standards I've noticed: 1. When Dominicans started to arrive in substantial numbers in the 1980's, they clashed with the more established Puerto Rican community (the usual rivalry/tension between 2 immigrant groups). It got so bad that local community leaders/politicians from both communities had to get involve and it also made it to the news. Never were there cries of 'racism'. 2. A similar thing occured (but more limited in scope) between segments of the Dominican community and African Americans, except that now one reads the usual race card thrown in. 3. African Americans have clashed with Africans & Caribbean blacks (including Haitians), but no cries of racism, it's labelled 'cultural differences'. When Africans & Caribbean blacks discourage there children from dating/marrying African Americans, it's due to 'cultural differences'. 4. Subsitute Dominicans for Africans/Caribbean blacks in example #3, and now it's labelled 'racism', and since there are also black Dominicans, an additional label of 'self-hate'. ^ Why? Why the hypocritical/double-standard and use of the race card? Why the obsession by New World Afrodiasporic people from the Anglophone world (overwhelmingly African Americans and some Caribbeans) with Latinos of Afrodescendancy? You don't read/see any of us obsessing over the fact that they have a society that ignores/rejects ones other heritages if one of them happens to be of Afrodescendany. You don't read/see us getting rabid over the fact that people like Obama or Alisha Keys are not called mixed. We understand that is their culture.
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#122 - Posted 2 September 2009, 11:32 AM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5738	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Those, along with cultural anthro and paleoanthro are some of my "light" reading in my spare time. I don't fancy myself a scholar in any way, shape, or form but I highly enjoy the absorption of knowledge in said feilds. That's the thing though, a NON-Dominican made it, throwing out this idea of us whitening ourselves or taino'ing ourselves or whatever. I'd say all 4 are fair game for these wackos, but DR is far and above a favored one because our diaspora has projected a false image of us. False not because those types of Dominicans don't exist, but because I don't feel they are the majority. The average person in the USA, in general, when they think of Dominicans thinks of our baseball players and that is what they base their perception on. Kind of dumb to generalize an entire country based on the players of a particular sport, but it's a common human condition. Ask Dominicans who leave the NJ/NYC area, the further out you go, the more you'll be exposed to what they assume a typical Dominican looks like. My uncle lived out in Texas with a Mexican women, all the Mexicans thought he was Puerto Rican, the black & white Americans thought he was either sometype of foreigner or an odd 'Mexican mix'. When I visit out there the same goes for me. I have family that moved out to North Carolina, the following is a partial list of what they were confused for: -East Indian -Mexican (based on I don't know what, that they speak Spanish?) -Cuban -Arab/Middle Eastern -What are you? black or white? A question asked to my aunt. Surprisingly, I would've assumed that the ones who display mulattoness would've just been considered black, but again I was surprised , I cannot even second guess it. I don't know if you're aware of this, but the one drop rule is a northern invention that was imposed to the south at the end of the civil war. The pre-civil war southern society was as three-tiered as any latin american country. I always thought it was only the former French territory of Louisiana that had a society that was most similar to LatinAmerica before they were purchased and 'OneDropped' all of the Creoles of Afrodescendancy. To this day one can still see alot more admixture with those that self-identify as creoles Louisiana. You can find it all on this sites: http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=15 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=16 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=17 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=19 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=20 http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=21 For my part, I have to say that the yankees never fooled me, cuz' their hipocrisy is thinly veiled. At the very least, the southeners are honest and will tell you their feelings in your face, while the yanks would wait for you to turn your back in order to slit your throat with their knives. Thanks for the links. Since you're familiar with that site you may then know the author of the video in this thread, he goes by the following handles; Salssasin, Otorongo, Yaguar. Since you've mentioned hypocrisy, here's a couple of hypocritical double-standards I've noticed: 1. When Dominicans started to arrive in substantial numbers in the 1980's, they clashed with the more established Puerto Rican community (the usual rivalry/tension between 2 immigrant groups). It got so bad that local community leaders/politicians from both communities had to get involve and it also made it to the news. Never were there cries of 'racism'. 2. A similar thing occured (but more limited in scope) between segments of the Dominican community and African Americans, except that now one reads the usual race card thrown in. 3. African Americans have clashed with Africans & Caribbean blacks (including Haitians), but no cries of racism, it's labelled 'cultural differences'. When Africans & Caribbean blacks discourage there children from dating/marrying African Americans, it's due to 'cultural differences'. 4. Subsitute Dominicans for Africans/Caribbean blacks in example #3, and now it's labelled 'racism', and since there are also black Dominicans, an additional label of 'self-hate'. ^ Why? Why the hypocritical/double-standard and use of the race card? Why the obsession by New World Afrodiasporic people from the Anglophone world (overwhelmingly African Americans and some Caribbeans) with Latinos of Afrodescendancy? You don't read/see any of us obsessing over the fact that they have a society that ignores/rejects ones other heritages if one of them happens to be of Afrodescendany. You don't read/see us getting rabid over the fact that people like Obama or Alisha Keys are not called mixed. We understand that is their culture. Does he knows that his ban was lifted on the study of racialism site? Cuz' he and Oevega haven't appeared over there after the fact. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince
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#124 - Posted 2 September 2009, 11:50 AM
Beastje Location: Dominica, Puerto Plata Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1103 Posts: 20	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Lovely video ,i like te music.And te nice pictures. Greats Beastje
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#125 - Posted 2 September 2009, 1:41 PM
Perez Location: Dominican Republic Join date: March 2008 Member #: 443 Posts: 1530	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Another video! yea, i know, people always think that I'm puertorican when they first see me. I live in NY btw. Forget what i said about the videos. I dont want none of u guys think that I'm a troll, because i'm nothing like that.
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#126 - Posted 2 September 2009, 2:21 PM
USADR Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Another video! Quote: Pharoah previously said: Most Dominicans look black, and for some reason you can't accept this. Hell some of them even have kinky hair. You need to go sit in the corner and come to terms that you have African ancestry. Pharoah Location: United States Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3524 Posts: 1 ^ You felt so strongly that you joined just to say this?
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#127 - Posted 2 September 2009, 2:51 PM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5738	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Another video! Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Pharoah previously said: Most Dominicans look black, and for some reason you can't accept this. Hell some of them even have kinky hair. You need to go sit in the corner and come to terms that you have African ancestry. Pharoah Location: United States Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3524 Posts: 1 ^ You felt so strongly that you joined just to say this? He's rramon/la chilindrina, USADR, so don't waste your time with answering his nonsense. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince
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#128 - Posted 2 September 2009, 2:57 PM
vacanos Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3575	RE: "The real Dominican" video. USADR Thanks for the links. Since you're familiar with that site you may then know the author of the video in this thread, he goes by the following handles; Salssasin, Otorongo, Yaguar. Since you've mentioned hypocrisy, here's a couple of hypocritical double-standards I've noticed: 1. When Dominicans started to arrive in substantial numbers in the 1980's, they clashed with the more established Puerto Rican community (the usual rivalry/tension between 2 immigrant groups). It got so bad that local community leaders/politicians from both communities had to get involve and it also made it to the news. Never were there cries of 'racism'. 2. A similar thing occured (but more limited in scope) between segments of the Dominican community and African Americans, except that now one reads the usual race card thrown in. 3. African Americans have clashed with Africans & Caribbean blacks (including Haitians), but no cries of racism, it's labelled 'cultural differences'. When Africans & Caribbean blacks discourage there children from dating/marrying African Americans, it's due to 'cultural differences'. 4. Subsitute Dominicans for Africans/Caribbean blacks in example #3, and now it's labelled 'racism', and since there are also black Dominicans, an additional label of 'self-hate'. ^ Why? Why the hypocritical/double-standard and use of the race card? Why the obsession by New World Afrodiasporic people from the Anglophone world (overwhelmingly African Americans and some Caribbeans) with Latinos of Afrodescendancy? You don't read/see any of us obsessing over the fact that they have a society that ignores/rejects ones other heritages if one of them happens to be of Afrodescendany. You don't read/see us getting rabid over the fact that people like Obama or Alisha Keys are not called mixed. We understand that is their culture. USADR I wrote about this in the article section about 4 month ago. That is so true. I remember going to high school in the late 80's in the Bronx. Black American and Puerto Rican second and third generation (the one that could not say hola in Spanish) used to jump on us Dominican just for the heck of beating us. They hated watching us talk in Spanish to one another. It used to boil their blood. They took advantage of us at the beginning because we didn’t know the language and we just got to this country basically. We were not used to this system. We learned their own game pretty quick and every time they jumped on us we came right back in group and jumped on them. Going out of the subject a little bit one of the reason Dominicans gang rise in the city was because of these rivalries. Our bond between us Dominican during those times was very strong. We didn’t use sock in our canasta, dressed ourselves in rayon, silk or polyester so that everybody knew we were Dominicans. Era incredible tanta hermandad entre nosotro si algunos de otra escuela nesecitaban ayuda nosotro ibamos a ayudarlos. But some took it to the extreme that is when they started calling themselves DDP. "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain. "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery" Churchill
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#129 - Posted 2 September 2009, 3:38 PM
ElTorodeiCibao Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Another video! Quote: Perez previously said: yea, i know, people always think that I'm puertorican when they first see me. I live in NY btw. Forget what i said about the videos. I dont want none of u guys think that I'm a troll, because i'm nothing like that. I experience the same thing, though I don't "look" Rican. It's mostly because of my light skin. I don't think you're a troll, you've just experienced a different characteristic of the island. Contrary to the troll belief, I care if someone has a opposing view. It makes life interesting. It's just trolls pretend to be the opposing view when they're just racialists.
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#130 - Posted 2 September 2009, 3:39 PM
ElTorodeiCibao Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597	RE: "The real Dominican" video. Another video! Reported.You had a good run. Edited on 9/2/2009 3:52 PM by ElTorodeCibao.
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