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| #71 - Posted 31 August 2009, 11:43 PM | |
 Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613  | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: The Cibaeños are the real Dominicans, the most authentic to Dominican culture and by a strange coincidence they also tend to be or happen to be of lighter skin complexion. Plain and simple. The rest of the folks have and hold Dominican nationality, but are not native to our culture. I think this is a volatile statement. While my family and I may agree, this is a statement of division. Come on you know very well that Cibaeños are very regionalistic people that is a fact and If we can form an autonomous and idependent state I will be the first to support it.  Words akin to those of my uncle. Oddly enough, in the memoirs of Arredondo y Pichardo that I posted on the patriotic thread, the guy referred to the Cibao as "mi pais" to the exclusion of the other parts of the spanish colony. I'm trying to pick through all that my friend! You post often and I read slower in Spanish than English. Plus, your post on those two is definitely your longest post! Don't feel so bad about not going as fast as you want, my friend. After all, the memoirs are written in XIXth century spanish, so it's a given that even people like me that have it as the mother tongue would have encountered difficulties in reading them. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #72 - Posted 31 August 2009, 11:47 PM | |
 Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's  ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture"  , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. A mighty republic that would THRIVE! That would be just the opportunity for Monte Cristi and Puerto Plata to develop themselves out of the big shadow cast upon them by la capital. Y Santiago nuestra Capital. |
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| #73 - Posted 31 August 2009, 11:48 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! I think we've mentioned there are differences between the regions than just how we speak. The north has long been considered a big campo with hill people, not unlike the south eastern US. |
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| #74 - Posted 31 August 2009, 11:49 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #75 - Posted 31 August 2009, 11:51 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. To extrapolate this example El Cibao is an economically well off and would no longer be weighed down by the less developed areas in the south. Southerners please take no offense, it's not referred to as "el pobre sur" for nothing. Edited on 8/31/2009 11:52 PM by ElTorodeCibao. |
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| #76 - Posted 31 August 2009, 11:54 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! I think we've mentioned there are differences between the regions than just how we speak. The north has long been considered a big campo with hill people, not unlike the south eastern US. Well, I think the DR needs those campesinos, or else it would just be boring. I'm sure a Southern Dominican would have no problem getting used to living in the Cibao, unlike the US south. The US south isn't so bad, I have relatives down there. It gets a little...homogeneous in some portions though and pretty underdeveloped for a zone in the States. |
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| #77 - Posted 31 August 2009, 11:56 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. Move the capital to the North and your problems will be solved. Breaking that tiny little island up even more is pointless. As incredible as it may sound, I agree with you on this last point. You'll not believe this, but the haitians have pretty much the same quarrels between their north and their south. The difference being that the south is the one that is aristocratic and seignorial on the haitian case. Edited on 8/31/2009 11:59 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #78 - Posted 31 August 2009, 11:57 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. Move the capital to the North and your problems will be solved. Breaking that tiny little island up even more is pointless. The Haitian failed state in the west, the failing Republica Dominicana in the south, and the thriving Quisqueyano-Cibao state in the north. Alright, I'll stop joking around now as this is likely to get others needlessly heated over something I find hilarious. |
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| #79 - Posted 1 September 2009, 12:00 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. Move the capital to the North and your problems will be solved. Breaking that tiny little island up even more is pointless. As incredible as it may sound, I agree with you on this last point. The idea has always been to move it to the south west to develop it and to fend off Haitians. Would it do the first? Who knows. The second, probably not as it would invite more Haitians than Santo Domingo due to it's closer proximity. Moving the capital to El Cibao would concentrate a lot of wealth up there, more than already is. But I doubt my fellow Cibaenos will put up a big fight about that.  (you know, other than possibly polluting us with smog and traffic like Santo Domingo) |
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| #80 - Posted 1 September 2009, 12:03 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. Move the capital to the North and your problems will be solved. Breaking that tiny little island up even more is pointless. As incredible as it may sound, I agree with you on this last point. The idea has always been to move it to the south west to develop it and to fend off Haitians. Would it do the first? Who knows. The second, probably not as it would invite more Haitians than Santo Domingo due to it's closer proximity. Moving the capital to El Cibao would concentrate a lot of wealth up there, more than already is. But I doubt my fellow Cibaenos will put up a big fight about that. (you know, other than possibly polluting us with smog and traffic like Santo Domingo)The boricuas, the cubans and the haitians have pretty much the same quarrels on their respective turfs. On the haitian case, the rivalry between Port-Au-Prince vs. Le Cap, and in Puerto Rico, the rivalry of San Juan vs. Ponce, and in the cubans, La Habana vs. Santiago. Edited on 9/1/2009 12:06 AM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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