#1 - Posted 9 September 2009, 10:45 AM
Location: Dominican Republic, America
Join date: June 2009
Member #: 2891
Posts: 846
Send Message
principles of war
There is much brawling going on here DT.com . I suggest as you lock horns in each case you consider closely who you are testing yourself against. Some people are worthy opponents, others are miserable, weak, nuisances. Enjoy the quote below , but better yet enjoy your flame wars!

Quote:
"My practice of war is formulated in four principles:

First: I only attack causes that are victorious,—I may even wait until they become victorious.

Second: I only attack causes against which I would find no allies, so that I stand alone—so that I compromise myself alone ... I have never taken a step publicly that did not compromise me: that is my criterion of doing right.

Third: I never attack persons,—I avail myself of the person merely as a powerful magnifying-glass that allows one to make visible a general, but creeping and elusive calamity.

Fourth: I only attack things when all personal differences are excluded, when any background of bad experiences is lacking. On the contrary, to attack is to me a proof of goodwill, sometimes even of gratitude. I honor, I distinguish therewith by associating my name with that of a cause or a person: for or against—that makes no difference to me at this point." - FWM, EH
Edited on 9/9/2009 10:51 AM by HateroPardo.
Post IP/Country: 206.252.74.4* / US
Advertisement
Sponsored Links
#2 - Posted 9 September 2009, 10:58 AM
Location: United States
Join date: June 2009
Member #: 2977
Posts: 2597
Send Message
RE: principles of war
Quote:
HateroPardo previously said:

There is much brawling going on here DT.com . I suggest as you lock horns in each case you consider closely who you are testing yourself against. Some people are worthy opponents, others are miserable, weak, nuisances. Enjoy the quote below , but better yet enjoy your flame wars!

Quote:
"My practice of war is formulated in four principles:

First: I only attack causes that are victorious,—I may even wait until they become victorious.

Second: I only attack causes against which I would find no allies, so that I stand alone—so that I compromise myself alone ... I have never taken a step publicly that did not compromise me: that is my criterion of doing right.

Third: I never attack persons,—I avail myself of the person merely as a powerful magnifying-glass that allows one to make visible a general, but creeping and elusive calamity.

Fourth: I only attack things when all personal differences are excluded, when any background of bad experiences is lacking. On the contrary, to attack is to me a proof of goodwill, sometimes even of gratitude. I honor, I distinguish therewith by associating my name with that of a cause or a person: for or against—that makes no difference to me at this point." - FWM, EH



Well said, good quote. I always appreciate number 3 when demolishing someone in an argument as personal attacks are petty and lack creativity of debate.
Post IP/Country: 98.15.242.11* / US
#3 - Posted 9 September 2009, 11:09 AM
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Join date: December 2007
Member #: 38
Posts: 5738
Send Message
RE: principles of war
The principle in which I like to operate is "no quarter given, none asked". It's more honorable to dispatch your enemy quickly rather than make him/her suffer. Also, if you're going to shoot, do so to kill, cuz' your enemy will never forgive you the offense, cuz' he will see your wounding him/her as condescension.
Edited on 9/9/2009 11:13 AM by Lautaro.
"A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good."

Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince

Post IP/Country: 200.88.48.3* / DO
#4 - Posted 9 September 2009, 11:46 AM
Location: United States
Join date: June 2009
Member #: 2977
Posts: 2597
Send Message
RE: principles of war
Quote:
Lautaro previously said:

The principle in which I like to operate is "no quarter given, none asked". It's more honorable to dispatch your enemy quickly rather than make him/her suffer.

Also, if you're going to shoot, do so to kill, cuz' your enemy will never forgive you the offense, cuz' he will see your wounding him/her as condescension.


No quarter given is an excellent philosophy of war and one in which the Israelis operate in first and foremost. It is one of the basic rules of their martial art Krav Maga, a beautiful art form and deadly. Not to ease suffering, but to save you time.

That may be true, but wounding one combatant requires two others to tend to him and effectively removes 3 soldiers. War knows no dignity.
Post IP/Country: 98.15.242.11* / US
#5 - Posted 9 September 2009, 11:56 AM
Location: United States
Join date: February 2008
Member #: 340
Posts: 1306
Send Message
RE: principles of war
We need some of our more visible Dominican personajes to apply these principals on the world stage against the smearing of DR as a whole because of the sugarcane industry and the poor handling of the illegal immigration issue.
Post IP/Country: 68.197.226.22* / US
#6 - Posted 9 September 2009, 12:11 PM
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY
Join date: August 2009
Member #: 3511
Posts: 245
Send Message
RE: principles of war
Quote:
ElTorodeCibao previously said:

Quote:
Lautaro previously said:

The principle in which I like to operate is "no quarter given, none asked". It's more honorable to dispatch your enemy quickly rather than make him/her suffer.

Also, if you're going to shoot, do so to kill, cuz' your enemy will never forgive you the offense, cuz' he will see your wounding him/her as condescension.


No quarter given is an excellent philosophy of war and one in which the Israelis operate in first and foremost. It is one of the basic rules of their martial art Krav Maga, a beautiful art form and deadly. Not to ease suffering, but to save you time.

That may be true, but wounding one combatant requires two others to tend to him and effectively removes 3 soldiers. War knows no dignity.



You're on a roll Toro.

The whole point of injuring and not killing is that. There is no honor there but there is none either in pressing a button hundreds if not thousands of miles away to kill an enemy/human shield/civilians, yet that is how war is conducted today.

Thats why big countries, that do not commmit troops find it hard to win ideological wars (US-Iraq, US-Afganistan, UN/NATO-Bosnia). It not untill you get into the thick of things and soundly defeat your enemy and then help the local people rebuild that you will win an ideological war. You must erase the hatred from the young so as to not restir the winds of war in the next generation, (African Wars, to many to list).
Formerly Estrella.
Post IP/Country: 130.199.3.13* / US
#7 - Posted 9 September 2009, 12:15 PM
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Join date: December 2007
Member #: 38
Posts: 5738
Send Message
RE: principles of war
Another principle is to fight ferociously, and if you're going down, to take as many enemies with you as you can. If you're going to undertake offensive operations, don't stop until no enemy is left standing, to attack like a genocidal maniac.
Edited on 9/9/2009 12:22 PM by Lautaro.
"A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good."

Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince

Post IP/Country: 200.88.48.3* / DO
#8 - Posted 9 September 2009, 12:52 PM
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY
Join date: August 2009
Member #: 3511
Posts: 245
Send Message
RE: principles of war
Quote:
Lautaro previously said:

Another principle is to fight ferociously, and if you're going down, to take as many enemies with you as you can. If you're going to undertake offensive operations, don't stop until no enemy is left standing, to attack like a genocidal maniac.



Is that a Machiavelli quote? I read the Prince, that guy is ruthless. Anything related to war and conquering that guy knows it. Crazy italian fellow, he is the reason the D'Medici's are who they are.
Formerly Estrella.
Post IP/Country: 130.199.3.13* / US
#9 - Posted 9 September 2009, 1:43 PM
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Join date: December 2007
Member #: 38
Posts: 5738
Send Message
RE: principles of war
Quote:
HiHater previously said:

Quote:
Lautaro previously said:

Another principle is to fight ferociously, and if you're going down, to take as many enemies with you as you can. If you're going to undertake offensive operations, don't stop until no enemy is left standing, to attack like a genocidal maniac.



Is that a Machiavelli quote? I read the Prince, that guy is ruthless. Anything related to war and conquering that guy knows it. Crazy italian fellow, he is the reason the D'Medici's are who they are.


Yes, it is. Any person with two fingers up front have to read that book, for the reason that it's the ultimate medicine against naivety, cuz' more than ruthless, Machiavelli was a realist. It's a hostile and cruel world out there, so if someone is not properly inured against naivety and innocence, one really runs the risk of being eaten alive, literally and figuratively speaking.
Edited on 9/9/2009 1:44 PM by Lautaro.
"A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good."

Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince

Post IP/Country: 200.88.48.3* / DO
#10 - Posted 9 September 2009, 2:40 PM
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY
Join date: August 2009
Member #: 3511
Posts: 245
Send Message
RE: principles of war
Quote:
Lautaro previously said:

Quote:
HiHater previously said:

Quote:
Lautaro previously said:

Another principle is to fight ferociously, and if you're going down, to take as many enemies with you as you can. If you're going to undertake offensive operations, don't stop until no enemy is left standing, to attack like a genocidal maniac.



Is that a Machiavelli quote? I read the Prince, that guy is ruthless. Anything related to war and conquering that guy knows it. Crazy italian fellow, he is the reason the D'Medici's are who they are.


Yes, it is. Any person with two fingers up front have to read that book, for the reason that it's the ultimate medicine against naivety, cuz' more than ruthless, Machiavelli was a realist. It's a hostile and cruel world out there, so if someone is not properly inured against naivety and innocence, one really runs the risk of being eaten alive, literally and figuratively speaking.


Yes, it is a cruel world. I must admit I'm a bit of an optimist, I've read much and experienced some yet I'm always hurt or disappointed when I see certain current events.

I'm currently reading a book that I recommend many ppl from the 3rd world should read it is 'confessions of an economic hitman" john perkins. Again here are examples of how f'uped the world is. Not that we don't already know it but it's a written account of what we already know, very interesting none the less.
Formerly Estrella.
Post IP/Country: 130.199.3.13* / US