| #11 - Posted 14 September 2009, 1:30 PM | |
Location: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3578 Posts: 672 | Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Off the wall suggestion delgadoMASS, but at least should draw some interesting responses. Pan-Antillean political ideas existed in the 1800s in the first generations of patriots and thinkers from the three islands.However as each islands separate political and economic fate unfolded differently these dreams lost a material basis and went away. Well at this point simply listing the form of state of the four nations mentioned delgadoMASS mentioned (a kleptocratic democracy, a totalitarian socialism, an authoritarian democracy, and a colonial commonwealth) demonstrates starkly the tremendous political gap that would have to be overcome for these peoples to become one nation. The best we could hope for is some sort of informal cultural commonwealth. I doubt there is any way to make this a formal thing without creating what Rizzo might label a 'ministry of paid vacations' . So if here is interest in these nations in a common identity it would have to emerge organically and informally via the work of each people's writers, historians, pundits and intellectuals. Luckily I would say to some degree this does go on. I personally would welcome more pan-Antillean sentiment and scholarship, though I don't believe political unions will come about in our lifetimes. you hit the nail on the old head You are entering the Ultra Spin Zone... |
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| #12 - Posted 14 September 2009, 1:42 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: the dominican republic, cuba, puerto rico, and venezuela should become one country! Quote: HateroPardo previously said: The best we could hope for is some sort of informal cultural commonwealth. I doubt there is any way to make this a formal thing without creating what Rizzo might label a 'ministry of paid vacations' . So if here is interest in these nations in a common identity it would have to emerge organically and informally via the work of each people's writers, historians, pundits and intellectuals. Luckily I would say to some degree this does go on. I personally would welcome more pan-Antillean sentiment and scholarship, though I don't believe political unions will come about in our lifetimes. Agreed. I think we would benefit from a little "Carib-Hispanic" unity while retaining our individuality. So, you liked my idea of El Cibao separating, huh? You didn't have to say anything, I read you loud and clear. |
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| #13 - Posted 14 September 2009, 2:12 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10355 | RE: the dominican republic, cuba, puerto rico, and venezuela should become one country! Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: The best we could hope for is some sort of informal cultural commonwealth. I doubt there is any way to make this a formal thing without creating what Rizzo might label a 'ministry of paid vacations' . So if here is interest in these nations in a common identity it would have to emerge organically and informally via the work of each people's writers, historians, pundits and intellectuals. Luckily I would say to some degree this does go on. I personally would welcome more pan-Antillean sentiment and scholarship, though I don't believe political unions will come about in our lifetimes. Agreed. I think we would benefit from a little "Carib-Hispanic" unity while retaining our individuality. So, you liked my idea of El Cibao separating, huh? You didn't have to say anything, I read you loud and clear. Could beciome like Europe and have joint parliment. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/public/default_en.htm?redirection Alos joint universities, education system, social security protection. Shorter working week, longer holidays, social development programs. S. S. Edited on 9/14/2009 2:14 PM by abc200. |
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| #14 - Posted 14 September 2009, 3:14 PM | |
Location: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3578 Posts: 672 | social development programs are what you have lacked your whole life you are a boil on the ass of society and a ring on the toilet bowl of life You are entering the Ultra Spin Zone... |
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| #15 - Posted 14 September 2009, 3:25 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 846 | RE: the dominican republic, cuba, puerto rico, and venezuela should become one country! Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: The best we could hope for is some sort of informal cultural commonwealth. I doubt there is any way to make this a formal thing without creating what Rizzo might label a 'ministry of paid vacations' . So if here is interest in these nations in a common identity it would have to emerge organically and informally via the work of each people's writers, historians, pundits and intellectuals. Luckily I would say to some degree this does go on. I personally would welcome more pan-Antillean sentiment and scholarship, though I don't believe political unions will come about in our lifetimes. Agreed. I think we would benefit from a little "Carib-Hispanic" unity while retaining our individuality. So, you liked my idea of El Cibao separating, huh? You didn't have to say anything, I read you loud and clear. I personally am in favor of both Carib-Hispanic and especially Pan-Caribbean sentiments and scholarship. Like I said both go on to some extent, and the latter especially as far as English-language writing goes. I also like abc's idea of some joint universities. Many many bright minds are in the region (for just one example check how many noted novelists come out of the Caribbean and Caribbean diasporas). It would be great to have one or two strong regional universities alongside each nation's own universities, because so many bright people end up going abroad for higher ed (grad level). Such schools could also help further regional commercial integration. As for Cibao separation well I think two states on one island is just fine, no need for a whole 'nother squadron of deputies and senators |
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| #16 - Posted 14 September 2009, 6:09 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday Join date: December 2007 Member #: 36 Posts: 1275 | RE: the dominican republic, cuba, puerto rico, and venezuela should become one country! I have the name already. The Unitted States of Misfits! |
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| #17 - Posted 14 September 2009, 6:12 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism Join date: May 2008 Member #: 731 Posts: 2057 | RE: the dominican republic, cuba, puerto rico, and venezuela should become one country! Quote: Escott previously said: I have the name already. The Unitted States of Misfits! This from a turd that comes from a country that invades to stay natural resources, he has the nerve to call others misfits... |
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| #18 - Posted 14 September 2009, 6:42 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10355 | RE: the dominican republic, cuba, puerto rico, and venezuela should become one country! Quote: EnricoRizzo previously said: social development programs are what you have lacked your whole life you are a boil on the ass of society and a ring on the toilet bowl of life Oh we do have a problem don't we! It must be all that Vodka when you could not afford good whiskey and tried to copy the great one who attempt to blow up a battleship in Liverpool and instead became a recluse where he could savour the dastardly deeds of the Spaniards on native peoples. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eOIU9ekSMk&feature=fvw http://www.thebards.net/music/lyrics/Whiskey_In_The_Jar.shtml Highwaymen such as yourself who deny the planet a future get betrayed sooner or later. A university of the Carrib area would save nations much money and free students from the intelectual tyranny of the US. http://oldarchive.godspy.com/culture/tyranny_of_choice.cfm.html Fred or whatever his name is - is being so stupid again. S. S. Edited on 9/14/2009 6:48 PM by abc200. |
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| #19 - Posted 14 September 2009, 7:28 PM | |
Location: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio) Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2589 Posts: 581 | RE: the dominican republic, cuba, puerto rico, and venezuela should become one country! I don't know how most of our islanders would feel living in a state with a combined population of 60 million. Even though, it would increase business opportunities, it would also result in much more bureaucracy, poverty, crime, corruption and social disparity. It may seem culturally feasible, but it may end up in a complete economical and political chaos, by knowing how close-minded, greedy and territorial our politians are. Panama and some Colombian northern cities also share common cutural background with spanish caribbean nations. "La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée" - Charles de Talleyrand-Périgord |
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| #20 - Posted 16 September 2009, 8:21 AM | |
Location: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3578 Posts: 672 | Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: The best we could hope for is some sort of informal cultural commonwealth. I doubt there is any way to make this a formal thing without creating what Rizzo might label a 'ministry of paid vacations' . So if here is interest in these nations in a common identity it would have to emerge organically and informally via the work of each people's writers, historians, pundits and intellectuals. Luckily I would say to some degree this does go on. I personally would welcome more pan-Antillean sentiment and scholarship, though I don't believe political unions will come about in our lifetimes. Agreed. I think we would benefit from a little "Carib-Hispanic" unity while retaining our individuality. So, you liked my idea of El Cibao separating, huh? You didn't have to say anything, I read you loud and clear. I personally am in favor of both Carib-Hispanic and especially Pan-Caribbean sentiments and scholarship. Like I said both go on to some extent, and the latter especially as far as English-language writing goes. I also like abc's idea of some joint universities. Many many bright minds are in the region (for just one example check how many noted novelists come out of the Caribbean and Caribbean diasporas). It would be great to have one or two strong regional universities alongside each nation's own universities, because so many bright people end up going abroad for higher ed (grad level). Such schools could also help further regional commercial integration. As for Cibao separation well I think two states on one island is just fine, no need for a whole 'nother squadron of deputies and senators Caribbean Philosophical Association (CPA) The Caribbean Philosophical Association was founded on June 14, 2002 at the Center for Caribbean Thought at the University of the West Indies at Mona, Jamaica. The founding members were George Belle, B. Anthony Bogues, Patrick Goodin, Lewis Gordon, Clevis Headley, Paget Henry, Nelson Maldonado-Torres, Charles Mills, and Supriya Nair. The first international conference was held May 19–22, 2004 at the Accra Hotel in Christ Church, Barbados, West Indies. The Caribbean Philosophical Association is an organization of scholars and lay-intellectuals dedicated to the study and generation of ideas with a particular emphasis of encouraging South-South dialogue. Although the focus is on engaging philosophy that emerges in the Caribbean, membership is not limited exclusively to scholars with degrees in philosophy, and any region and historic moment is open to the exchange of ideas. In similar kind, membership in the organization is not limited to professional scholars. Any one with an interest in engaging ideas and playing a role in the development of new ideas can become a member. Finally, the Caribbean Philosophical Association is also dedicated to assisting with the development of institutions that would preserve thought in the Caribbean and facilitate the creation of new ideas........THIS IS CARICOM BS You are entering the Ultra Spin Zone... |
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