| #1 - Posted 21 September 2009, 10:31 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 6478 | US might have been involved in 2002 Chavez coup: Carter The United States knew about an abortive coup against Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in 2002, and may even have taken part, former US president Jimmy Carter has told a Colombian newspaper. "I think there is no doubt that in 2002, the United States had at the very least full knowledge about the coup, and could even have been directly involved," Carter said in an interview with El Tiempo published Sunday. The former US leader said it is understandable that Chavez continues to blame the United States for the failed overthrow attempt. The Venezuelan president, considered a bulwark of leftism in Latin America, was overthrown by a civilian-military junta for about 48 hours in April 2002, before returning to power. Then-president George W. Bush denied any US involvement in the abortive coup and called on Chavez, a fierce US critic, to "learn a lesson" from the attempted overthrow. Carter told El Tiempo that he believed Chavez was elected in a "fair" vote in 1999, had carried out necessary reforms for Venezuela and ensured that "those who are traditionally excluded are able to get a larger share of the national wealth." But he also said he was worried by the Venezuelan leader's drift towards "authoritarianism." He added that he felt Chavez's popularity at home and his influence abroad had been "diminished." Carter said US President Barack Obama had told him he would eventually like to have normal relations with Venezuela. "But he (Chavez) has made this almost impossible," Carter said, adding that "international relations would be better if he would stop his attacks and insults against the United States." http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_might_have_been_involved_in_2002_09202009.html "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire |
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| #2 - Posted 21 September 2009, 10:54 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609 | RE: US might have been involved in 2002 Chavez coup: Carter Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: The United States knew about an abortive coup against Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in 2002, and may even have taken part, former US president Jimmy Carter has told a Colombian newspaper. "I think there is no doubt that in 2002, the United States had at the very least full knowledge about the coup, and could even have been directly involved," Carter said in an interview with El Tiempo published Sunday. The former US leader said it is understandable that Chavez continues to blame the United States for the failed overthrow attempt. The Venezuelan president, considered a bulwark of leftism in Latin America, was overthrown by a civilian-military junta for about 48 hours in April 2002, before returning to power. Then-president George W. Bush denied any US involvement in the abortive coup and called on Chavez, a fierce US critic, to "learn a lesson" from the attempted overthrow. Carter told El Tiempo that he believed Chavez was elected in a "fair" vote in 1999, had carried out necessary reforms for Venezuela and ensured that "those who are traditionally excluded are able to get a larger share of the national wealth." But he also said he was worried by the Venezuelan leader's drift towards "authoritarianism." He added that he felt Chavez's popularity at home and his influence abroad had been "diminished." Carter said US President Barack Obama had told him he would eventually like to have normal relations with Venezuela. "But he (Chavez) has made this almost impossible," Carter said, adding that "international relations would be better if he would stop his attacks and insults against the United States." http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_might_have_been_involved_in_2002_09202009.html Sounds about right! Chavez spreads the truth about the US. S. |
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| #3 - Posted 21 September 2009, 10:57 AM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3511 Posts: 245 | RE: US might have been involved in 2002 Chavez coup: Carter First I believe Carter is out of touch with reality. The peanut farmer is a bit nutty. Comments about Palestine/Isreal and Obama's critics being racist, are examples. I support Obama's plan but calling the gop, racist (which they are) doesn't help the debate, rather it hinders it. The true motivation is greed, they like their lobbying money, period. yet by calling them racist, dumb americans will be distracted and issue at hand will not be addressed, so bad politcial will on carters behalf same goes for middle east talks he always states the obvious yet that only hinders talks rather than progressing them. Now as to the question of whether the us was involved, helllllllllllllllllllllllll yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. They even have it in writting; Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine. nothing, I repeat nothing occurs in the western hemisphere occurs without the US approval or guidance/funding. That evo, correa and ortega got elected, those are just carrots in front of the horse. Sure eat your carrot while i sharpen my butcher knife. Edited on 9/21/2009 10:58 AM by HiHater. Formerly Estrella. |
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| #4 - Posted 21 September 2009, 11:00 AM | |
Location: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3578 Posts: 672 | Cibbys Greatest President has spoken again You are entering the Ultra Spin Zone... |
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| #5 - Posted 21 September 2009, 11:39 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday Join date: December 2007 Member #: 36 Posts: 1366 | RE: US might have been involved in 2002 Chavez coup: Carter Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: The United States knew about an abortive coup against Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in 2002, and may even have taken part, former US president Jimmy Carter has told a Colombian newspaper. "I think there is no doubt that in 2002, the United States had at the very least full knowledge about the coup, and could even have been directly involved," Carter said in an interview with El Tiempo published Sunday. The former US leader said it is understandable that Chavez continues to blame the United States for the failed overthrow attempt. The Venezuelan president, considered a bulwark of leftism in Latin America, was overthrown by a civilian-military junta for about 48 hours in April 2002, before returning to power. Then-president George W. Bush denied any US involvement in the abortive coup and called on Chavez, a fierce US critic, to "learn a lesson" from the attempted overthrow. Carter told El Tiempo that he believed Chavez was elected in a "fair" vote in 1999, had carried out necessary reforms for Venezuela and ensured that "those who are traditionally excluded are able to get a larger share of the national wealth." But he also said he was worried by the Venezuelan leader's drift towards "authoritarianism." He added that he felt Chavez's popularity at home and his influence abroad had been "diminished." Carter said US President Barack Obama had told him he would eventually like to have normal relations with Venezuela. "But he (Chavez) has made this almost impossible," Carter said, adding that "international relations would be better if he would stop his attacks and insults against the United States." http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_might_have_been_involved_in_2002_09202009.html First I would like to comment on Jimmy Carter. He was the worst president in history and a worse former president if that is possible. During his time in office we had 20% interest rates in the US which by Dominican Standards is NORMAL but by US standards completely abnormal. When Iranian Students with GOVERNMENT HELP AND SUPPORT seized our Embassy and kidnapped US citizens for years all Jimmy did was to crash some helicopters in the dessert and call it a day. Reagan got into office and they released our citizens before he got innaugarated. Wonder why? Reagan was going to clean their clocks and they knew it. They may be animals but they are not stupid animals. Anytime Jimmy says anything he puts his foot in his mouth and this is before the operation to yank the other one out. Quoting that moron is even stupid. Now to the facts. Who cares about NUTTY HUGO? He is a commie piece of crap leading his own country down the drain. Who cares if his country regress's 20 years? NOT me! |
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| #6 - Posted 21 September 2009, 11:50 AM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3511 Posts: 245 | RE: US might have been involved in 2002 Chavez coup: Carter Quote: Escott previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: The United States knew about an abortive coup against Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in 2002, and may even have taken part, former US president Jimmy Carter has told a Colombian newspaper. "I think there is no doubt that in 2002, the United States had at the very least full knowledge about the coup, and could even have been directly involved," Carter said in an interview with El Tiempo published Sunday. The former US leader said it is understandable that Chavez continues to blame the United States for the failed overthrow attempt. The Venezuelan president, considered a bulwark of leftism in Latin America, was overthrown by a civilian-military junta for about 48 hours in April 2002, before returning to power. Then-president George W. Bush denied any US involvement in the abortive coup and called on Chavez, a fierce US critic, to "learn a lesson" from the attempted overthrow. Carter told El Tiempo that he believed Chavez was elected in a "fair" vote in 1999, had carried out necessary reforms for Venezuela and ensured that "those who are traditionally excluded are able to get a larger share of the national wealth." But he also said he was worried by the Venezuelan leader's drift towards "authoritarianism." He added that he felt Chavez's popularity at home and his influence abroad had been "diminished." Carter said US President Barack Obama had told him he would eventually like to have normal relations with Venezuela. "But he (Chavez) has made this almost impossible," Carter said, adding that "international relations would be better if he would stop his attacks and insults against the United States." http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_might_have_been_involved_in_2002_09202009.html First I would like to comment on Jimmy Carter. He was the worst president in history and a worse former president if that is possible. During his time in office we had 20% interest rates in the US which by Dominican Standards is NORMAL but by US standards completely abnormal. When Iranian Students with GOVERNMENT HELP AND SUPPORT seized our Embassy and kidnapped US citizens for years all Jimmy did was to crash some helicopters in the dessert and call it a day. Reagan got into office and they released our citizens before he got innaugarated. Wonder why? Reagan was going to clean their clocks and they knew it. They may be animals but they are not stupid animals. Anytime Jimmy says anything he puts his foot in his mouth and this is before the operation to yank the other one out. Quoting that moron is even stupid. Now to the facts. Who cares about NUTTY HUGO? He is a commie piece of crap leading his own country down the drain. Who cares if his country regress's 20 years? NOT me! Well Escott, Right on about Carter, he has a semblance to Bush Jr. Dumb policies, fumbled the wars and even more fumbled words and sayings, lol If not for Gen Petraus Bush would have been another Careter. About Venezuela, you should care because they are neighbors and fellow latinos, but to each his own. I think hugo had it right at first, the US was heavily indebting the country as owned most of their resources (no surpirse there). Yet he definitely went overboard, too radical and idiotic at times yet at times the US does need a good counter balance and when that counter is from your third largest supplier of oil it gives you some certain leverage. Venezuela is a regional player like it or not. Edited on 9/21/2009 11:50 AM by HiHater. Formerly Estrella. |
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| #7 - Posted 21 September 2009, 12:08 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 1298 | RE: US might have been involved in 2002 Chavez coup: Carter Quote: Escott previously said: Reagan got into office and they released our citizens before he got innaugarated. Wonder why? Reagan was going to clean their clocks and they knew it. They may be animals but they are not stupid animals. Escott: I believe the reason the released the hostages was due to the very innovative and adn hootin' tootin' no discussions wiht terrorist , 'arms for hostage' policy! Carter couldnt come up with that one .. dammit! sse le fue esa !! |
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| #8 - Posted 21 September 2009, 12:32 PM | |
Location: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3578 Posts: 672 | Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: Quote: Escott previously said: Reagan got into office and they released our citizens before he got innaugarated. Wonder why? Reagan was going to clean their clocks and they knew it. They may be animals but they are not stupid animals. Escott: I believe the reason the released the hostages was due to the very innovative and adn hootin' tootin' no discussions wiht terrorist , 'arms for hostage' policy! Carter couldnt come up with that one .. dammit! sse le fue esa !! Dimmer carter was a loser and he is your favorite You are entering the Ultra Spin Zone... |
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| #9 - Posted 21 September 2009, 12:58 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 1298 | RE: US might have been involved in 2002 Chavez coup: Carter Quote: EnricoRizzo previously said: Dimmer carter was a loser and he is your favorite Goulie, you mention Carter more than I do, wouldnt that make him your favorite not mine? Also, even conservatives place Carter above Nixon in rankings, but Carter was the most humane president.... as commander in chief, the helicopter crash falls on him and that hurt him.. .. and thats fine .... but which is worse the screw up in Iraq (which is a policy screw up) or an accident of two choppers ? but what he would of never concieved is the idea of Arms for hostages.... for some this will be a great achievement, the 'we get things done' bla bla bla...... some see this as downright disgusting! Carter's post term work and foundation maintain his relevance in the world today..... what have the ex republican presidents ever done? Edited on 9/21/2009 12:59 PM by Glimmertwin. |
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| #10 - Posted 21 September 2009, 6:16 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3511 Posts: 245 | RE: US might have been involved in 2002 Chavez coup: Carter Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: Quote: EnricoRizzo previously said: Dimmer carter was a loser and he is your favorite Goulie, you mention Carter more than I do, wouldnt that make him your favorite not mine? Also, even conservatives place Carter above Nixon in rankings, but Carter was the most humane president.... as commander in chief, the helicopter crash falls on him and that hurt him.. .. and thats fine .... but which is worse the screw up in Iraq (which is a policy screw up) or an accident of two choppers ? but what he would of never concieved is the idea of Arms for hostages.... for some this will be a great achievement, the 'we get things done' bla bla bla...... some see this as downright disgusting! Carter's post term work and foundation maintain his relevance in the world today..... what have the ex republican presidents ever done? I'm not defending anyone or chosing sides; Carter has good intentions, but he is out of touch it seems like??? He is most certainly active and that is prefered over apathy but still out of touch. Edited on 9/21/2009 6:16 PM by HiHater. Formerly Estrella. |
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