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#11 - Posted 21 September 2009, 6:41 PM
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Right on about Carter, he has a semblance to Bush Jr. Dumb policies, fumbled the wars and even more fumbled words and sayings, lol If not for Gen Petraus Bush would have been another Careter.


George W. Bush has peanuts in his turds that are smarter than Jimmy Carter.
Don't you dare try to compare one of our greatest Presidents with that one-term, wussy, peanut farmer from Georgia.
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#12 - Posted 21 September 2009, 6:44 PM
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Even Teddy Kennedy the great swimmer thought Carter was a Jerk
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#13 - Posted 21 September 2009, 8:31 PM
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Right on about Carter, he has a semblance to Bush Jr. Dumb policies, fumbled the wars and even more fumbled words and sayings, lol If not for Gen Petraus Bush would have been another Careter.


George W. Bush has peanuts in his turds that are smarter than Jimmy Carter.
Don't you dare try to compare one of our greatest Presidents with that one-term, wussy, peanut farmer from Georgia.




Can I have some of what you are smoking????

Greatest President, that right there makes everything you said illegitimate, also calling a president what you did or any person for that matter, deplorable. Sometimes displaced anger is a sign of other looming problems, please seek help.
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HiHater previously said:

Right on about Carter, he has a semblance to Bush Jr. Dumb policies, fumbled the wars and even more fumbled words and sayings, lol If not for Gen Petraus Bush would have been another Careter.


George W. Bush has peanuts in his turds that are smarter than Jimmy Carter.
Don't you dare try to compare one of our greatest Presidents with that one-term, wussy, peanut farmer from Georgia.


AnthonyC, is a major pain ..... The Stupidity this guy writes
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HiHater previously said:

Right on about Carter, he has a semblance to Bush Jr. Dumb policies, fumbled the wars and even more fumbled words and sayings, lol If not for Gen Petraus Bush would have been another Careter.

George W. Bush has peanuts in his turds that are smarter than Jimmy Carter.
Don't you dare try to compare one of our greatest Presidents with that one-term, wussy, peanut farmer from Georgia.

AnthonyC, is a major pain ..... The Stupidity this guy writes

"The arrogance of our spokespeople, even the president himself, has been exceptional, and it seems to me they have taken great umbrage at that," Cronkite said. "We have told them what they must do. It is a pretty dark doctrine."

Cronkite chided Congress for not looking closely enough at the war and attempting to ascertain a viable estimate of its eventual cost, particularly in light of Bush's commitment to tax cuts.

"We are going to be in such a fix when this war is over, or before this war is over … our grandchildren's grandchildren are going to be paying for this war," Cronkite said.

"I look at our future as, I'm sorry, being very, very dark. Let's see our cards as we rise to meet the difficulties that lie ahead," he added, in a play on Bush's dismissive remarks about France.

But Cronkite, who spent many days and nights on battlefields and in campgrounds with U.S. forces, also spoke of supporting the troops.

"The time has come to put all of our, perhaps distaste, aside, and give our full support to the troops involved. That is the duty we owe our soldiers who had no role in deciding this course of action," Cronkite said.

In response to a question about media bias, Cronkite said the press is not politically partisan but does tilt toward liberalism. He said that the smartest president he ever met was Jimmy Carter.
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Despite teh outcome of a 'bad presidency', I will take Cronkite's assesment of ol jimmy than AC... i'm jsut saying !
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HiHater previously said:

Right on about Carter, he has a semblance to Bush Jr. Dumb policies, fumbled the wars and even more fumbled words and sayings, lol If not for Gen Petraus Bush would have been another Careter.

George W. Bush has peanuts in his turds that are smarter than Jimmy Carter.
Don't you dare try to compare one of our greatest Presidents with that one-term, wussy, peanut farmer from Georgia.

AnthonyC, is a major pain ..... The Stupidity this guy writes

"The arrogance of our spokespeople, even the president himself, has been exceptional, and it seems to me they have taken great umbrage at that," Cronkite said. "We have told them what they must do. It is a pretty dark doctrine."

Cronkite chided Congress for not looking closely enough at the war and attempting to ascertain a viable estimate of its eventual cost, particularly in light of Bush's commitment to tax cuts.

"We are going to be in such a fix when this war is over, or before this war is over … our grandchildren's grandchildren are going to be paying for this war," Cronkite said.

"I look at our future as, I'm sorry, being very, very dark. Let's see our cards as we rise to meet the difficulties that lie ahead," he added, in a play on Bush's dismissive remarks about France.

But Cronkite, who spent many days and nights on battlefields and in campgrounds with U.S. forces, also spoke of supporting the troops.

"The time has come to put all of our, perhaps distaste, aside, and give our full support to the troops involved. That is the duty we owe our soldiers who had no role in deciding this course of action," Cronkite said.

In response to a question about media bias, Cronkite said the press is not politically partisan but does tilt toward liberalism. He said that the smartest president he ever met was Jimmy Carter.
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Despite teh outcome of a 'bad presidency', I will take Cronkite's assesment of ol jimmy than AC... i'm jsut saying !




no doubt he is intellegent, but politically savy no. There are many great minds that would fail at being president. intellegence although a plus is no cure all when it comes to being president.

I still attest he is out of touch, yet he is very amiable and open. but as i said sometimes amiable to a fault, of course many gopers are racist, that was the parties platform for many years ( although nixon was progressive (most refrom came under LBJ though)) but stating such just polarizes the issue and doesn't allow for the debate to grow, rather it only distracts ppl.
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no doubt he is intellegent, but politically savy no. There are many great minds that would fail at being president. intellegence although a plus is no cure all when it comes to being president.

I still attest he is out of touch, yet he is very amiable and open. but as i said sometimes amiable to a fault, of course many gopers are racist, that was the parties platform for many years ( although nixon was progressive (most refrom came under LBJ though)) but stating such just polarizes the issue and doesn't allow for the debate to grow, rather it only distracts ppl.

agreed,.,.. I ws just trying to correct AC's assessment my man Jimmy;s IQ , in reference to dubya.. which I didnt bother to follow or contest. ... someone who sees genius in dubya , I need to steer clear of !! hhaha!
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no doubt he is intellegent, but politically savy no. There are many great minds that would fail at being president. intellegence although a plus is no cure all when it comes to being president.

I still attest he is out of touch, yet he is very amiable and open. but as i said sometimes amiable to a fault, of course many gopers are racist, that was the parties platform for many years ( although nixon was progressive (most refrom came under LBJ though)) but stating such just polarizes the issue and doesn't allow for the debate to grow, rather it only distracts ppl.

agreed,.,.. I ws just trying to correct AC's assessment my man Jimmy;s IQ , in reference to dubya.. which I didnt bother to follow or contest. ... someone who sees genius in dubya , I need to steer clear of !! hhaha!



Si, te entiendo. ... jajajajajajajaja

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#19 - Posted 22 September 2009, 2:58 AM
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that chill and Dimm both like Carter is testament to the loser the rest of America thinks he is
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#20 - Posted 22 September 2009, 8:59 AM
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HiHater said;

"About Venezuela, you should care because they are neighbors and fellow latinos, but to each his own. I think hugo had it right at first, the US was heavily indebting the country as owned most of their resources (no surpirse there). Yet he definitely went overboard, too radical and idiotic at times yet at times the US does need a good counter balance and when that counter is from your third largest supplier of oil it gives you some certain leverage. Venezuela is a regional player like it or not."

That is not true about the resources. Under president Perez they (Venezuela) had an opening of the oil sector in which international companies could participate in the infrastructure of the energy sector. 4 large projects were built on the northeast coast of Venezuela in the Cryogenic Complex outside of Barcelona. The highest percentage of ownership by a foriegn company was 50% which was at the Petrozuata upgrader, the partnership was Conoco and PDVSA, the next one built was SINCOR and that was 37% by Total, 37% PDVSAand 26% Statoil, the third and fourth were constructed during the same time period, Hamaca and Cerro Negro. Hamaca was Exxon, PDVSA, Cerro Negro was Mobil, PDVSA and Veba. What the international companies owned was the technology in the facilities and payments from the government (PDVSA) were made in the form of semi-refined products to the oil companies for the investments in the facilities. Almost all of the upgraders cost in excess of 3 1/2 billion US. If you look at the companies involved, Conoco and ExxonMobil are the only US companies involved. Total is French, Statoil is from Norway and Veba is German. The largest support company to PDVSA in the country was Schlumberger which is also French. Even during the opening of the energy sector PDVSA maintained ownership of the crude reserves but foriegn companies were allowed to invest and recieve payments in products. From 1999 until 2005 I worked in the Crigenic Complex at Petrozuata and SINCOR.

The vast gold reserves are located in the State of Bolivar at Las Cristinas mine and it has not been exploited in a number of years and the last company that won the concession and had it revoked recently was Crystalex a Canadian company. I guess what I am getting to is there is, or was, a very large international presence in Venezuela but non-US companies made up the bulk of the investments.
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