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| #51 - Posted 25 September 2009, 9:08 AM | |
 Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 1843  | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Quote: EnricoRizzo previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Well that's smarter. The article you quoted above said Revolutionary War forward. In another era we might have had a 'fist-fight' over the name. These days the 'fist fights' won't begin until people get a sense of the exhibits. For example what would an exhibit on DR be about? Only the feel-good happy stuff about Dominicans in Washington Heights and baseball players? Or photographs of the two visits by American armed forces? Will there be full fledged explorations for the wars of 1846 and 1898? Sorry you guys I found a clause that says the Boricuas and the Cubans have veto power over the Dominicans  No one is denying that they, the Ricans and Cubans, were here first and have more influence as a result... But we are rising hard and fast, and that will be recognize soon enough! Edited on 9/25/2009 9:27 AM by CarlosFranco. |
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| #52 - Posted 25 September 2009, 9:14 AM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 1843 | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: It's a rather moot point in my day to day life but I really don't like the interchangeable use of "Latino" and "Hispanic" in American dialogue. Neither do I. I don't like the "hispanic" label. Which term do you have a beef with? Latino. What problems have you with the "Latino" label? It's a broad word that could refer to any number of things and is very subjective. Our culture and language are heavily influenced by our Spanish heritage and thus we are Hispanic alongside all other Hispanic countries and Spain itself. Latino could mean all of Hispanic-America, Brazil, other Portuguese colonies, Francophone Antilles, Francophone Africa/Asia/India, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Romania. So you have a problem because of other possible interpretations of the word, precisely the problem I have with "hispanic". Hispanic implies of and from Spain. Only a portion of our cultures is of "hispanic", or Spanish origin, thus I consider the word a misnomer when used to describe us, and one with racial overtones as well for it exhaults the European component of our culture over other parts. Why so Cibao? I think Hispanic is more representative because it implies "something of spain" but not spanish... so it them become Something of Spain mixed with Something of the Americas. A spaniard i would not considered him a Hispanic, because while has the Spanish thing, he lacks the America thing... and like Toro said, Latino is too broad and includes people whom we have no relations what so ever, culturarly or racially.... |
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| #53 - Posted 25 September 2009, 10:10 AM | |
 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4070 | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: It's a rather moot point in my day to day life but I really don't like the interchangeable use of "Latino" and "Hispanic" in American dialogue. Neither do I. I don't like the "hispanic" label. Which term do you have a beef with? Latino. What problems have you with the "Latino" label? It's a broad word that could refer to any number of things and is very subjective. Our culture and language are heavily influenced by our Spanish heritage and thus we are Hispanic alongside all other Hispanic countries and Spain itself. Latino could mean all of Hispanic-America, Brazil, other Portuguese colonies, Francophone Antilles, Francophone Africa/Asia/India, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Romania. So you have a problem because of other possible interpretations of the word, precisely the problem I have with "hispanic". Hispanic implies of and from Spain. Only a portion of our cultures is of "hispanic", or Spanish origin, thus I consider the word a misnomer when used to describe us, and one with racial overtones as well for it exhaults the European component of our culture over other parts. Why so Cibao? I think Hispanic is more representative because it implies "something of spain" but not spanish... so it them become Something of Spain mixed with Something of the Americas. A spaniard i would not considered him a Hispanic, because while has the Spanish thing, he lacks the America thing... and like Toro said, Latino is too broad and includes people whom we have no relations what so ever, culturarly or racially.... Actually, in the strictest definition of the word the only ones to really have a claim to the "hispanic" lable would indeed be the spaniards. Hateropardo summed it up best: There are indeed those among us that because of their particular ancestry can claim the "hispanic" label and there's nothing wrong with that but I don't consider the word a proper label for all of us that stem from the region. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle |
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| #54 - Posted 25 September 2009, 10:36 AM | |
 Location: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3578 Posts: 672 |  RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights BeginGet over it and live with it  Hispanic implies of and from Spain  come on Cibby would you rather be a Guido You are entering the Ultra Spin Zone... |
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| #55 - Posted 25 September 2009, 10:46 AM | |
 Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2208 | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: It's a rather moot point in my day to day life but I really don't like the interchangeable use of "Latino" and "Hispanic" in American dialogue. Why don't you like it?? I don't mind either of them... What we must certainly do is avoid being drawn on the American "White & Black" Issue... I would really hate to be "the BROWN" I hashed out my reasons above going back and forth with Cib but over all as I originally said it's a moot point in real life. Overall the question is "What are you" and the answer is always "Dominican". |
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| #56 - Posted 25 September 2009, 10:49 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2208 | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Quote: EnricoRizzo previously said: Get over it and live with it Hispanic implies of and from Spain come on Cibby would you rather be a Guido I don't think anyone would. All joking aside, there aren't enough Hispanics around here (other than Mexicans which people consider "different" to make jokes at our expense. So the I-talians suffer a pre-Whitehood fate somehow around here.And Hispanic implies any cultures overseas that are of Spain or Spain itself. Latino implies a very large variety of things I outlined in a previous post. Edited on 9/25/2009 10:50 AM by ElTorodeCibao. |
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| #57 - Posted 25 September 2009, 10:55 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 838 | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Are Filipinos technically Hispanic? |
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| #58 - Posted 25 September 2009, 10:59 AM | |
Location: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3578 Posts: 672 | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Are Filipinos technically Hispanic? That is totally up to the individual .. ..That indigenous culture in those islands did not disappear as severely as the Taino Carib Arawak  You are entering the Ultra Spin Zone... |
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| #59 - Posted 25 September 2009, 11:00 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2208 | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Are Filipinos technically Hispanic? The Spanish influence is much less present in Asia/Oceania compared to the Americas. I don't like to reference wiki for a point but this chart makes sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanics Just scroll down. |
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| #60 - Posted 25 September 2009, 11:02 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2208 | RE: The National Museum of the American Latino ----Let the Fist Fights Begin Quote: EnricoRizzo previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Are Filipinos technically Hispanic? That is totally up to the individual .. ..That indigenous culture in those islands did not disappear as severely as the Taino Carib Arawak Also language has a lot to do with it. Though I saw a "No Reservations" episode about the Philippines and some aspects of architecture made it look a lot like Caribbean Hispanic societies. |
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