| #1 - Posted 28 September 2009, 7:42 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! One day in early 1959 one of Che's Revolutionary Courts actually found a Cuban army captain named Pedro Morejon innocent of the charge of "war criminal". This brought Che's fellow comandante, Camilo Cienfuegos, to his feet. "If Morejon is not executed," He yelled. "I'll put a bullet through his head myself!" The court reassembled frantically and quickly arrived at a new verdict. Morejon crumpled in front of of a firing squad the following day. As Castro's chief executioner, Che Guevara, explained it: "Judicial evidence is an archaic bourgeois detail." Now that is the real murdering commie! By Claudia Fanelli 2/19/2006 Che Guevara, I shudder when I hear his name. I am repulsed when I see a shirt with his face on it. And when I hear that Hollywood is making yet ANOTHER movie about him, well, I get downright nauseous. I just cannot get my mind around why so many people, especially Americans, have chosen to believe that this coward is a hero when in fact he was a mass murderer, a poor excuse for a warrior and a lousy businessman. Recently, however, it has occurred to me that the majority of the people who sport these t-shirts don’t have a clue about who Guevara was. Those who think they do know have bought into the myth of a man who fought for his beliefs, wanted to help the poor and died trying to bring justice to the less fortunate. I consider it my duty to enlighten the ignorant and debunk these myths. I admit, Ché is popular. He was a murderer and a thug, but I can’t deny his popularity. Ché is cool, he’s hip, he’s trendy to the shirt-wearers. But they are clueless. As a high school teacher, I see kids wearing shirts emblazoned with Ché’s image all the time. His image is being mass-marketed all over the country. (Ironic that a man allegedly so opposed to capitalism has become one of retail’s most popular sellers.) One student I saw wearing a shirt actually does know who Guevara was and loves what he represents, at least, what the Hollywood version is. When I asked the student if he would likewise don a Hitler shirt, he looked at me as if I had two heads. “They’re both mass-murderers,” I explained. The teen waved me off as if to say “Lady, you don’t know what you’re talking about.” Some kids who wear the shirts really do think they know who he was and they wear his image because they think he did something good, helping to bring the Revolution to Cuba. But that’s where their knowledge of Cuba, Ché and Castro end. They do not know any details about the oppression and cruelty that the revolution has brought to Cubans in the last forty-some years or how the revolution that Guevara helped to create has destroyed a once prosperous island, and I don’t think they care. They don’t know about how thousands of Cubans fled their homeland with nothing and often left family members behind just to get a chance to be free. They don’t know that prior to Castro taking over, more people moved to Cuba than to the United States. They don’t know that spies lurk on every corner in Cuba, ready to report someone speaking against the revolution to Castro’s henchmen. These same people are sputtering over President Bush tapping the phones of terrorists in our country but people speaking out against the leader of Cuba and being jailed for it seems to be fine. Imagine if all if these Ché lovers and Castro fans were jailed for speaking out against President Bush! There wouldn’t be enough jails to hold them. That’s the beauty of democracy- the right to free speech. Cubans haven’t been able to speak freely for almost 50 years thanks, in part, to Ché. Let’s face it, the overwhelming information available about Guevara is positive, glowing, stories about his dedication to La Revolución. They hear how he fought side by side with Fidel to make sure every Cuban had food and shelter and healthcare, ripping the country out of the tyrannical hands of Fulgencio Batista. What they don’t hear is the real plight of the Cubans. Cubans still eat rations, waiting in line for morsels with their ration cards. They can buy one pair of shoes, if they fit, great, if not, they make do with what they get. They live in dilapidated buildings, are punished if they apply for a visa to leave the country and can never go beyond the current level of poverty in which they currently exist. Don’t believe that Cuba has come to this? Visit www.therealcuba.com and see for yourself. Of course, healthcare is FREE but Cubans must obtain it in run down, unsanitary hospitals (the best are only for foreigners and tourists) and if God forbid they have AIDS, they are then segregated from the rest of the country in a sanitarium. How many of these Ché fans, the majority of them cookie-cutter liberal clones, would really want to honor the memory of a man who also believed in ousting gays from the general population? That, more than the murders of innocent people, would really make them angry. Part of the Ché myth is Guevara the economic genius who, far from being a great economic strategist, ran the Cuban economy into the ground when Castro placed him in high-ranking government positions, one of which was as President of the National Bank of Cuba. He foolishly believed that price should not dictate supply and demand, but rather, the social worth of a product should. The problem is that people who have seen “The Motorcycle Diaries” have already bought into the romantic version of this Argentine doctor riding through South America on a motorcycle, seeking to help the poor. They don’t need to know anything else- that would spoil the beauty of the myth. The Ché reality is that he was a ruthless, cold-blooded killer who pondered, in his dairy, if one particular victim was guilty enough to die- after he killed him! This is the man who enjoyed the smell of gunpowder and the blood of his enemy. This is the man who put to death or he, himself, killed anywhere from 4,000 upwards of Cubans because they did not agree with the ideals of the “Revolution.” This is the man whose slogan was “If in doubt, kill him.” As for fighting, Ché was never involved in any real battles. Humberto Fontova, author of “Fidel” calls them “skirmishes” at best. Even charging down from the Sierra Maestra mountains into Havana there was no real opposition; Batista and his men had already fled. Ché himself trained guerrillas and terrorists. Castro sent Ché’s “best” to the Dominican Republic in 1959 to organize a revolution against dictator Trujillo but they failed. Ché’s guerrillas were also sent to Panama, where they were trounced by Panama’s National Guard. Castro sent Ché to liberate Africa twice in 1965 and the great warrior took a double beating. Ché went into hiding in 1966. In Bolivia, Ché could only rally 15 Bolivians for his uprising. In March of 1967 Castro decided he would no longer send Cuban troops to Bolivia to help Ché and ended contact with Ché in July of that year. Ché was captured and killed in October, 1967. I don’t see the heroic value of the man who, when he was captured in Bolivia by the Bolivian forces and the CIA, begged, "Do not shoot! I am Ché Guevara and worth more to you alive than dead.” Shouldn’t a man who believes in his cause be willing to die for it? Guevara wanted his life spared because, when all is said and done, he was a coward. No wonder Castro got rid of him by sending him to Bolivia. So, are these shirt-wearing fools deluded with the idea that Communism is good? That everyone having the same is utopia? Surely they must know that Communism thrives when people are poor and in need of someone to lead them from their misery. In the case of Cuba, they had already suffered under Batista’s tyrannical rule, and welcomed Castro’s revolution. Had they only known that Batista was a saint in comparison! Ché supported the idea of everyone being equal, that the poorest and the richest were to be on equal financial ground. Nobody can own their own business or company, and even farms were confiscated and turned over to the government at the start of the Revolution. At that point, people who had worked all of their lives to own their own business or who worked hard to buy a nice house had it snatched away from them. If initially Guevara’s ideals were to have equality for everyone, that everyone have the same amount of wealth, how does one explain the Rolex watch removed from his arm at his death? Former CIA agent Felix Rodríguez proudly wears that watch as a trophy today. Did all the Cubans get a Rolex? Were there ration books in the 1960’s to make sure each and every member of the Revolution was given such a watch? I’m sure they gave them out along with the rice cookers. It seems to me that if anything, Ché was a hypocrite as well as a coward. What they don’t know is that he was a doctor, a man who took an oath to save human lives, and he ended up taking them away. So, kids, keep buying those Ché shirts, skateboards, belt buckles and mugs. Ché would be pleased to know that the capitalism he so loathed was alive and well and wearing his face. You know, I think in lieu of the shirt I’ll buy the Ché toilet paper. Edited on 9/28/2009 7:43 AM by cabaretewilliam. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #2 - Posted 28 September 2009, 7:43 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! The New York passages also establish Guevara’s status as a demon in the eyes of the American government and a celebrity and fetish object for, as far as the movie is concerned, just about everyone else. Journalists interview him in purring, fawning tones. An unctuous fan in round spectacles asks for an autograph. Cocktail party guests in an elegant Manhattan apartment crowd around him. But Che, media star and darling of the international left-leaning intelligentsia, regards the fuss with detachment, preferring to sit and smoke with the common folk in kitchens and back rooms. In honoring the myth of Che as a kind of macho Marxist superman in whom thought and feeling, action and theory, passion and discipline are united, Mr. Soderbergh and Mr. Del Toro (a producer of the picture as well as its star) remove him from the realm of ordinary human sympathy. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #3 - Posted 28 September 2009, 7:48 AM | |
Location: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras Join date: September 2009 Member #: 3578 Posts: 672 | Chills and Dimms hero was a murdering dirtbag You are entering the Ultra Spin Zone... |
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| #4 - Posted 28 September 2009, 11:16 AM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3528 | RE: Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! Simply amazing the way blood sucker Che is portrait in movie like some savior when in fact he wanted no more than to enslave humanity. MIENTRAS NO SE ESCARMIENTE A LOS TRAIDORES COMO SE DEBE, LOS BUENOS Y VERDADEROS DOMINICANOS SERAN SIEMPRE VICTIMAS DE SUS MAQUINACIONES JUAN PABLO DUARTE |
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| #5 - Posted 28 September 2009, 1:03 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 7529 | RE: Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! FACT: The Medical School in Argentina that everyone claims Che attended has no record of him ever even registering. Proof that dreadlocks is a Bigot ....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment? they did NOTHING! ......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages, whom they try to avoid, at all costs. |
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| #6 - Posted 28 September 2009, 4:18 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 16649 | RE: Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! now, now , anthony. remember your Doctorate? from where, might i ask? |
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| #7 - Posted 28 September 2009, 4:40 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 7529 | RE: Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! Quote: dreadlocks previously said: now, now , anthony. remember your Doctorate? from where, might i ask? All this attention!!! Sorry. your not my type. Why Dready.....A smart girl like you should be able to find out on your own. Proof that dreadlocks is a Bigot ....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment? they did NOTHING! ......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages, whom they try to avoid, at all costs. |
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| #8 - Posted 28 September 2009, 7:17 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 16649 | RE: Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! the girl put downs are the new vogue for today, i see. my, my, anthony, it seems as if your sense of humor has received an introduction of adrenaline. i was just examining the parallels between the right wing and normal people. when Che lies about his college attendance (as you would tell it), it is a matter of concern, and a leftist character flaw. when you lie, you deflect the question. just like Rush. Black and Hispanic drug users are the scum of the earth, and deserve solitary confinement. Rush deserves "help", because he is confronting an "illness". go pump sand in your ear. |
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| #9 - Posted 28 September 2009, 7:33 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! Quote: anthonyC previously said: FACT: The Medical School in Argentina that everyone claims Che attended has no record of him ever even registering. I am sure the movie included that fact - in the subtitles maybe Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #10 - Posted 28 September 2009, 7:35 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: Che Guevara movie is total revisionist crap! Quote: dreadlocks previously said: the girl put downs are the new vogue for today, i see. my, my, anthony, it seems as if your sense of humor has received an introduction of adrenaline. i was just examining the parallels between the right wing and normal people. when Che lies about his college attendance (as you would tell it), it is a matter of concern, and a leftist character flaw. when you lie, you deflect the question. just like Rush. Black and Hispanic drug users are the scum of the earth, and deserve solitary confinement. Rush deserves "help", because he is confronting an "illness". go pump sand in your ear. Che screwed you TWICE! Did you notice the second time or did that escape you Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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