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So according to this video the island of santo domingo has the only 2 cultures that will survive in the whole caribean and all the islands.
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Frankly, I don't care as to what religion my neighbors may or may not practice as long as they are civil. What good is it one when is chrisitan in name only as is so common in our society? A future with a numerical supriority for christianity world wide holds little promise for me. A future were people have learned to be civil toward one another REGARDLESS of things such as religion does.
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Frankly, I don't care as to what religion my neighbors may or may not practice as long as they are civil. What good is it one when is chrisitan in name only as is so common in our society? A future with a numerical supriority for christianity world wide holds little promise for me. A future were people have learned to be civil toward one another REGARDLESS of things such as religion does.



You would care if you lived in an Islamic country. You would be under terrible oppressive laws. Your wife would be forced to totally cover up and foribdden to drive a car etc etc.

In Ontario Canada these "neighbours" you would not mind demanded Shiara law for their families and almost got it - they were stopped by women's rights groups.

Make no mistake, the Islamic goal, without apology, is to rule the world and go one by force, taking over country after country unitl all the world submits to Allah and the Koran.

You say "as long as they are civil". My dad and I worked with a Muslim (new housing construction) over a period of 15 years. We became friends. One day my dad asked him abut the world, the future.

He said "We are a patient people. Even if it takes another 500 years, eventually we will conquor every nation and people." My dad asked " What about us, as Christians?? What happens?"

he said " We will give you a certain amount of time to convert. If you refuse we will kill you".

We were stunned. This was a peaceful, civil nice guy! But he explained " It is not personal. It is what Allah calls for.".

The history of their taking nations by the sword and forcing their conversion is there for all to see.

In China there are 100 MILLION Christians, not one convert by the sword.

In Africa 6000 Muslims PER DAY convert to Christ - no sword -alhough they face death for converting.

I appreciate your sentiments, but wake up and see what is happening.....it will affect Europe first and most, but also Canada and the USA.
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So according to this video the island of santo domingo has the only 2 cultures that will survive in the whole caribean and all the islands.



Where is the Island of Santo Domingo?

Christianityis not a culture (although it impacts culture) it is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
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William - you worry too much - by the time of the second or third generation the decedents of immigrants will be like many of the brits and french and not believe in a fictitious god.
Sweden, Vietnam, France lead the way. The proportion of non believers has of course been increasing over the yeas. Intelligent people unlike Americans do not need the opium any more.
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
Another stupid CW post - anyway Pirate Preach Man only believes in greed and in fleecing his congregation.
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The number of atheists has always been around 5% more or less. They will never gain ground because "The fool has said in his heart NO GOD!" and most people are smart enough to know that random chances can never produce this complex world or your own body. It is called Intelligent Design, and only proud stubborn fools (ABC) cannot see it!

You think a belief in God is incredulous? And that coming from you? You believe that an explosion in a metal scrap yard can produce a Mazerati with GPS.

The rest of us know there was and is a Designer!
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Surveyrs repeat that the percentages are much higher of people who do not believe in god. See numerous surveys.
Yes I can belive you lived for so many years as a Pastor in Canada for zero dollars.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/UK/religion.html
It is of course possible be a christian without belief in god see the book 'honest to god'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honest_to_God
So your comments are stupid. Decline in religion is a fact - it will affect those of Islamic persuation also - having met many young people from Islamic families ti is clear their faith is different and not as strong if it exists. Of course many people tend to agnosticism not atheism
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agnostic [Gr. agnostos, unknown, unknowable, (a priv. + gignosko, know.] One who holds that the ultimate cause (God) and the essential nature of things are unknown or unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
'http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/dictionaries.htm
Of course there are also SUV worshipers .......
http://greenfertility.blogspot.com/2008/12/upsides-of-economic-downturn-monday.html
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Decline in religion is GREAT! I despise religion. I am daily blessed to know that so many millions are coming to know Jesus Christ as their God and Saviour, all over the world. Lives transformed! To God be the Glory! So many goverments have tried to KILL the church of Jesus Christ (Rome, USSR, China) and all have failed! The true church is unstoppable!!
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#16 - Posted 1 October 2009, 1:08 PM
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Frankly, I don't care as to what religion my neighbors may or may not practice as long as they are civil. What good is it one when is chrisitan in name only as is so common in our society? A future with a numerical supriority for christianity world wide holds little promise for me. A future were people have learned to be civil toward one another REGARDLESS of things such as religion does.



You would care if you lived in an Islamic country. You would be under terrible oppressive laws. Your wife would be forced to totally cover up and foribdden to drive a car etc etc.

In Ontario Canada these "neighbours" you would not mind demanded Shiara law for their families and almost got it - they were stopped by women's rights groups.

Make no mistake, the Islamic goal, without apology, is to rule the world and go one by force, taking over country after country unitl all the world submits to Allah and the Koran.

You say "as long as they are civil". My dad and I worked with a Muslim (new housing construction) over a period of 15 years. We became friends. One day my dad asked him abut the world, the future.

He said "We are a patient people. Even if it takes another 500 years, eventually we will conquor every nation and people." My dad asked " What about us, as Christians?? What happens?"

he said " We will give you a certain amount of time to convert. If you refuse we will kill you".

We were stunned. This was a peaceful, civil nice guy! But he explained " It is not personal. It is what Allah calls for.".

The history of their taking nations by the sword and forcing their conversion is there for all to see.

In China there are 100 MILLION Christians, not one convert by the sword.

In Africa 6000 Muslims PER DAY convert to Christ - no sword -alhough they face death for converting.

I appreciate your sentiments, but wake up and see what is happening.....it will affect Europe first and most, but also Canada and the USA.




But...the whole premise of the video is preposterous. Culture and national identities are not static and are constantly changing. The video makes the assertion that (to paraphrase) our grandchildren will be living in a vastly different world then we do. I have news for you: Regardless, our grandchildren will live in a vastly different world then we do! Hell, we live in a vastly different world than our grandparents did! History is not linear regardless of how some would like it to be so. I have other news for you as well: Chrisitianity is not at all the religion of most Europeans that I've interacted with on my sojourns to the Old Continent: secularism is. Chrisitanity as you see it has long waned in Europe. I met VERY few Europeans near my age who were church goers. With that said, the Muslims that are now growing up in Europe or who will grow ip in Europe are not going to be a monolithic group by any means. These are a people that are immersed in western thought and culture and the end result of all this we can only guess at (obviously you and those such as yourself have some crystal ball where malevolance is all that is contemplated with regards to future occurences). I have other news for you: without these immigrants Europe's economy would go into a tailspin. They're being allowed in for a reason: because they are needed. Fine, you found some incognito muslim nut who had interacted with your family for some time before showing signs of his lunacy. I can easily find you his Christian counterpart without looking to hard.
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Frankly, I don't care as to what religion my neighbors may or may not practice as long as they are civil. What good is it one when is chrisitan in name only as is so common in our society? A future with a numerical supriority for christianity world wide holds little promise for me. A future were people have learned to be civil toward one another REGARDLESS of things such as religion does.



You would care if you lived in an Islamic country. You would be under terrible oppressive laws. Your wife would be forced to totally cover up and foribdden to drive a car etc etc.

In Ontario Canada these "neighbours" you would not mind demanded Shiara law for their families and almost got it - they were stopped by women's rights groups.

Make no mistake, the Islamic goal, without apology, is to rule the world and go one by force, taking over country after country unitl all the world submits to Allah and the Koran.

You say "as long as they are civil". My dad and I worked with a Muslim (new housing construction) over a period of 15 years. We became friends. One day my dad asked him abut the world, the future.

He said "We are a patient people. Even if it takes another 500 years, eventually we will conquor every nation and people." My dad asked " What about us, as Christians?? What happens?"

he said " We will give you a certain amount of time to convert. If you refuse we will kill you".

We were stunned. This was a peaceful, civil nice guy! But he explained " It is not personal. It is what Allah calls for.".

The history of their taking nations by the sword and forcing their conversion is there for all to see.

In China there are 100 MILLION Christians, not one convert by the sword.

In Africa 6000 Muslims PER DAY convert to Christ - no sword -alhough they face death for converting.

I appreciate your sentiments, but wake up and see what is happening.....it will affect Europe first and most, but also Canada and the USA.




But...the whole premise of the video is preposterous. Culture and national identities are not static and are constantly changing. The video makes the assertion that (to paraphrase) our grandchildren will be living in a vastly different world then we do. I have news for you: Regardless, our grandchildren will live in a vastly different world then we do! Hell, we live in a vastly different world than our grandparents did! History is not linear regardless of how some would like it to be so. I have other news for you as well: Chrisitianity is not at all the religion of most Europeans that I've interacted with on my sojourns the the Old Continent: secularism is. Chrisitanity as you see it has long waned in Europe. I met VERY few Europeans near my age who were church goers. With that said, the Muslims that are now growing up in Europe or who will grow ip in Europe are not going to be a monolithic group by any means. These are a people that are immersed in western thought and culture and the end result of all this we can only guess at (obviously you and those such as yourself have some crystal ball where malevolance is all that is contemplated with regards to future occurences). I have other news for you: without these immigrants Europe's economy would go into a tailspin. They're being allowed in for a reason: because they are needed. Fine, you found some incognito muslim nut who had interacted with your family for some time before showing signs of his lunacy. I can easily find you his Christian counterpart without looking to hard.


1. I agee - Europe has been abandoned by God. BUt guess what - Korea, once Buddist, was recently declared a Christian nation.

2. That was not a fringe lunatic Muslim. Just a plain old regular guy who lived in Canada for all his adult life. He was not even that cimmitted to the mosque! Just stated what every Muslim believes. You go ahead (like so many westerners) andignore it. People so stupid as to ignore a blatant warning given by a Muslim and preached in mopsques around the world every week deserve what is coming.

3. Selfish Christians refused to have kids so we need immigrants - correct - and that selfishness is paid back by God - who rewards it by giving their countries to Islam!



Christianity is on the decline
In 1430 one in 99 of the world’s population were Christians.

In 1790 one in 49

In 1940 one in 32

In 1970 one in 19

In 1980 one in 16

In 1983 one in 13

In 1986 one in 11

In 1994 one in 10

In the period 1934-1994, the number of Christians in the world increased by 1300 percent (from 40 million to 540 million in the last 60 years), while the world’s population grew only 400 percent. Reference

For a different view from an authoritative secular source, see Truth, Stranger than Fiction.

Worldwide, authentic conversions to genuine Christianity (as contrasted with nominal Christianity) are snowballing to such a degree that space allows just a few highlights.

In our century, Communism pronounced the death sentence upon Christianity. In so many parts of eastern Europe where the atheistic experiment was relentlessly and violently enforced, Communism is in deep trouble and Christianity is thriving.

In Communist China, in the face of sometimes terrifying Government opposition, people are committing themselves to a spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ at a rate averaging about 28,000 new converts a day. This is happening in the home of yin and yang and other anti-Christian concepts and practices admired by New Agers. In this nation steeped for thousands of years in non-Christian religion, then mercilessly indoctrinated into atheism, so many millions of Chinese have turned their back on all that and become born again Christians that it is now thought the figure totals a staggering 80 million Chinese. (Some researchers put the figure at 100 million.) For that many million to take such a step in an environment hostile both to religion and to anything thought to be foreign, they must have discovered something very real and powerful.
In Africa, the number who follow Christ has risen from 3% in 1900 to a present figure of 45%.

Over the last few decades, South Koreans have been flocking to Jesus by the millions. In response, the UN has officially reclassified as a Christian nation this one-time Buddhist stronghold.

Worldwide, people are surrendering their lives to Jesus at an astounding average of nearly a million converts per week.

On the decline? You must be joking! It is estimated that of every genuine Christian since the first century, 70% came to Christ after 1900. Of these, 70% had their life-transforming encounter with Jesus since World War II. And of them, 70% became Christians in the last 4-5 years.

After surveying the entire world, Ralph Winter in 1988 identified 18,000 people groups that did not have sufficient numbers of committed Christians to remain strong and convert other members of their people group without foreign assistance. In 1998 this figure has shrunk to a mere 10% (1,736) of what it had been just ten years earlier! These astounding figures were not wild guesses to impress skeptics, but were meticulously collected to guide thousands of Christian missionaries as to where they should target their efforts.

A different view: The Bible affirms that at the name of Jesus every human and god and demon and force will bow. Jesus’ position of head of the universe was confirmed by what happened to his blood drained corpse, entombed, tied up with cloth, weighed down with spices, its vital organs ripped apart by a spear. That mutilated carcass sprang to life again. And his uniqueness has been put to the test by missionaries penetrating every conceivable religion with the never-ending power of Jesus and by Christian converts from all manner of beliefs who through Christ have been delivered from atheism, Satanism, demon possession, curses, bondage to lust, drugs, alcohol and so on.


Facts, just the facts!

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Christianity is no passing fad. It has stood the test of time. In fact, it is gaining popularity like never before. (See above.)

Jesus’ teaching is unfashionable in the same sense that interplanetary travel is unfashionable. If, however, by old-fashioned we mean that which is crude and outclassed, Jesus’ teaching renders modern society old-fashioned. Modern views, no matter how desperately we cling to them, have been superseded.

The morality of Jesus was so far ahead of its time that 2,000 years after Jesus brought it to this planet, modern society is still no closer to attaining it. ‘Go the extra mile . . . bless those who curse you . . . Judge not . . . It is more blessed to give than to receive . . .’

Present day morality, with its crude focus upon observable behavior rather than heart attitude, is hopelessly primitive and out of touch with reality. Consider these examples:

‘Anything’s OK as long as you don’t hurt anyone,’ says a man who wouldn’t dream of injuring his wife, and devastates her by cheating on her.

Multitudes call the seduction of a married person ‘love’. Seduction ravishes its victims at the deepest level, debauching them so completely as to make them willing partners in immorality. Even the hideous crime of rape leaves its unconsenting victims morally chaste.

People teach their children to say thank you and they themselves never thank the God who gives them everything they have ever enjoyed. They pride themselves on paying off their debts and spurn the God to whom they owe everything.

What differentiates most of us from criminals is not morality but our cowardice (fear of getting caught, of incurring the disapproval of others, etc.) or lack of opportunity (not knowing how to commit the perfect crime, or not holding a gun at our weakest moment), yet we hold our head high in a society that clings to outdated morality.

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William - you worry too much - by the time of the second or third generation the decedents of immigrants will be like many of the brits and french and not believe in a fictitious god.
Sweden, Vietnam, France lead the way. The proportion of non believers has of course been increasing over the yeas. Intelligent people unlike Americans do not need the opium any more.
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
Another stupid CW post - anyway Pirate Preach Man only believes in greed and in fleecing his congregation.
S.




The number of atheists has always been around 5% more or less. They will never gain ground because "The fool has said in his heart NO GOD!" and most people are smart enough to know that random chances can never produce this complex world or your own body. It is called Intelligent Design, and only proud stubborn fools (ABC) cannot see it!

You think a belief in God is incredulous? And that coming from you? You believe that an explosion in a metal scrap yard can produce a Mazerati with GPS.

The rest of us know there was and is a Designer!

Surveyrs repeat that the percentages are much higher of people who do not believe in god. See numerous surveys.
So your comments are stupid. Decline in religion is a fact -
S.






NO, it is not a fact! Atheists ae in decline.


Atheist Decline in Recent Past and Near Future
In the last few decades atheists have been a rapidly declining percentage of world population. They are now 2.5% of world population. Agnostics and those who are indifferent to religion are also a somewhat more slowly declining percentage of the world's population, they are now 11.5%.
There are two factors. First, the end of communism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, and the loss of faith in communism elsewhere, particularly China. Atheists and non-religious people are overwhelmingly concentrated in communist countries. About two thirds of the world's atheist population is in China.

Second, religious people have far higher birth rates.

For the future the low birth rates among the more radical atheists and anti-religious people, and the agnostic and religiously indifferent will tend to lower their percentage in the population.

There also maybe a vast decrease in the atheist and non-religious population as communism continues to lose its grip in China.

Does this mean that the percentage of the world's population that is not religious must decrease. Probably in the short run, but not necessarily over the longer run.

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The topic is about Europe - not outer mongolia.
Religion has declined in Europe. Agnostics and athiests are different - more people are agnostic now, probably less athiest.
However just because there is design in the world of nature does not prove anything about the nature of gods if ay.
Suppose there were umpteen million years ago several gods. Ond desinged the cockroach. Another said - jolly good cockroach but I can do better than that I can design a big dung beetles. And along came another god and at the time they were thinking up the peoples of world and he said I kno I'll give the Thai people a special liking for dung beetles.
http://www.thailandunique.com/store/buffalo-dung-beetles-dried-bagged-p-62.html
Gods may be dead - completely new species does not seem to have been created for a long time and th gods may have had failures - dinosaur-us may have had too smalll a brain - and poor old dodo - not a good idea.
It's part of some vast eternal plan that Pirate Preacher man is predestined to write silly comments.

Dear God, you made many, many poor people.
I realize, of course, that it's no shame to be poor.
But it's no great honor either!
So, what would have been so terrible if I had a small fortune?

Lord who made the lion and the lamb,
You decreed I should be what I am.
Would it spoil some vast eternal plan?
If I were a wealthy man.



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