I can not and I am not the one making while imaginative argument on predisposed assertion which one allude to be the thruth. I am making a simple observation of border countries on the premises of global trend.

Which global trend study are you referring to? Also a lot of other "border countries" don't have our history. I believe if this happened so often why would there be any stigma by this time after so many years? Attitudes change within generations.

Beauty, as always, is subjective to the solemn eyes of beholders and their conditional circumstances of all the named above premises we have so much "Circularly Verbally Masturbated Exacerbated" about on here in this thread indeed which has exhausted validity and productivity.

Now let us define "Fundamental" and "Moot" (lol)!

It's quite ludicrous... what you wrote above. Micaela I wonder what make you a linguistic expert all the sudden and perhaps you can share some of the details to validate your conclusions of facts.

You still don't get it. The only thing that my example does is to strike home the fact that the dominican reality doesn't respond to the idealized image that you have of it in your mind, namely, that the marriages between haitian men and dominican women (the very example of your maternal grandparents) are not as prevalent as you make them to be, for the simple fact that the haitian peasants (the Dieudonnés risking everything for the chance of getting inside this country as we speak) are at the bottom of the ladder of the dominican socioeconomic food chain, and as such, they don't represent the ideal marriage partner for the Yuladis from el barrio living over here that are looking to climb and maintain themselves on top, a lifestyle that is not cheap in the least. Believe me, I don't like this reality as much as you do, but I'll be deceiving myself if I shut my eyes in the face of this.

In the first place, sir, the term beauty that we're using here is the same that is used on the rest of the western world, that is, white people (be them nordic looking or mediterranean looking) are at the pinnacle of all things beauty, while the rest can shove themselves down the trash bin. And as beauty comes and goes, our unintended guests living here are as far away from these parameters as Pluto is far away from the Sun.

Well, KIDDO, for a guy that sounds smart, you suuuuuuure write alot of nonsense.

It doesn't matter if you separate posts by changing colors, when you delete the writer's name, unless people here are magicians, they can't tell who wrote what.

I don't think I was telling you to "do all the job for posters in helping them keep up", but, for the love of God, don't, you don't have to make it harder..

You seem to enjoy this circle jerk as you keep posting.

As for beauty, while individuals often have a say society ultimately dictates a general idea and the individual chooses within that. Thus why a Westerner would most likely not find a Aboriginal attractive.

Define them, I'm sure you have Dictionary.com with that nifty thesaurus tab open.

I think the attitude have changed indeed not at the pace, it should have been due to what you mentionned above. However you need to realize there is superiority / inferiority complexe affecting the dynamic of any undertaking relation between DR and H, until the field play is level I am afraid there will be not much progress, and we can go back, ponder and blame the economic situation in which Haiti is in.

Oh I did understand you, but we are now just having , what I call, a conversation and no longer debating. So as we dialogue through this in term of one's preferences, any one of us regardless we are or may be Haitian or Dominican may not chose to find "Dieudonne or Marianne" suitably attractive as imagery idealist for or as a mate aside the known stigmas that are attached with them already for just being lowly Haitian peasants to even a Haitian might deem unfavorable. That is the case almost generally every where in most societies. However, that is still a matter of class caste range preference given we often have a preconceived notion that a peasant is less or not as civilized as urban city folks than it is anything else, but all possible aspects are and can also be inclusive as to why that is as you stated in your excerpt.

Example: I was in DR and I met this Haitian girl named Sonia before I met my now Dominicans girlfriend (which her picture you see here). Sonia, she was born in La Romana and raised in Montellano and Sosua Abajo, DR.

Anyway, you would or could kill her if you have and must, she will not go out with the certain peasant looking Haitian or Dominican or generally the local men (Dominican, Haitian or not) which lived in her barrio. Why? Simple and simply to her, they do not fit nor meet her lifestyle of what she deems fashionable... which is close to American her being a Dominican Haitian she can get. She dates only Diasporas Dominican and Haitian men. She dated me, and believe she did not date me for money as she rather used to actually give me money.

Point is, granted as we can agree and I did never totally disagree with your points you have made that there is indeed image association that do not suit us as people and our preferences (Dominican, Haitian or not) which goes beyond the barriers we have much exacerbate here today.