ElTorodeCibao previously said:

You seem to enjoy this circle jerk as you keep posting.

As for beauty, while individuals often have a say society ultimately dictates a general idea and the individual chooses within that. Thus why a Westerner would most likely not find a Aboriginal attractive.

Define them, I'm sure you have Dictionary.com with that nifty thesaurus tab open.

TuPapaupa previously said:
Well, KIDDO, for a guy that sounds smart, you suuuuuuure write alot of nonsense.

It doesn't matter if you separate posts by changing colors, when you delete the writer's name, unless people here are magicians, they can't tell who wrote what.

I don't think I was telling you to "do all the job for posters in helping them keep up", but, for the love of God, don't, you don't have to make it harder..

Lautaro previously said:

As for the thread, I'm not adverse to their becoming citizens here, on one condition: like the french and japanese cases, I like to make emphasis in culture, culture, and more culture. In the sense that the former and the latter require for any inmigrant wanting to become citizen of their countries to burn the ships and cut all ties with their former homelands, culturally speaking. In the french case, this requires the arabs and africans to renounce any allegiance to their respective religious fanaticisms (sharia law et al.), while on the japanese case, this requires for the person in question to drop his/her name and surname for japanese, yamato ones. On our case, our guests and citizens-to-be would have to hispanicize their names, learn the language (and apply thoroughly on their day to day lives, zero backstairs cheating), and christianize or make themselves jewish, I don't care, as long as this religion involves abandoning any kind of tribal manifestations from the far away Guinee. If they can't abide by this, then we can cordially show them the door, but we must not allow our inmigrants (from whatever extraction) to reproduce the conditions which they left by migrating on our own back yard.

TanBellaMami previously said:




Duh Laut,

One way or the other by governing law of the process of naturalization anywhere denouncing previous nationality is the required requirements basically (lol).

However, ideally most when becoming citizen do just that, but in reality one never actually stop being who they are ethnically "culturally" no matter which society they live in and become a citizen on. Yeah they say they do so to speak, but in America do naturalized American Dominicans still not feel culturally connected to DR or at least claim to be? Thus that goes for any other creed, I simply use Dominican as a example here.

I am a Naturalized American and furthermore an American Soldier Officer, does that mean I do not feel culturally attached. drawn and connected to both Dominican Republic and Haiti (Hispaniola) no matter how Americanized I may seem or am perceived to be?

P.S: Believe me, I am not as Americanized as my cousins here in America. They listen to mostly R&B, Rap and all that perhaps are American before they listen to Bachata, Compa or anything Antilles or Caribbean. Whereas for me, the case is reversed and guess what... I have been here longer than they have apart from the ones who born herein the USA yet they still considerably might tell you they are Haitian-Dominicans (Thus Latinos) when they are face off with actual naturally native born and raised North (United States) Americans.

Lautaro previously said:



Don't "duh" me, you know as well as I do that this is a dead serious matter, specially when we take into account that on the majority of the polls that have been done sounding the opinion of the haitian inmigrants here, the majority of them have confessed having still more loyalties to their former homeland than to the new one. Granted, part of it has been our fault for not making their transition to the new home any easier, but this is something not to take lightly or make jokes about, cuz' in the case of open, unavowed conflict between both countries (God forbid), they would represent an unlimited source of danger to the dominican country and people.

As a political thinker, I'm more concerned about both the territorial and cultural integrity of my country, so excuse me if I offend your sensitivities and the ones of other haitian posters around here, but like king Louis XIV and Napoleon on their time, I'm a believer of the principle of the state having only one culture and language representing it, and in the dominican case, this is represented by the spanish language and the hispanic ethos in which the dominican culture is based. I'm a mortal enemy of letting other cultural manifestations have a free hand, cuz' the only thing that they might lead to is the creation of a state within the state. And please, don't bring me the US example, cuz' they're (still) a mighty empire, with resources enough to make them capable of crushing any kind of ethnic rebellion that might appear on their soil with ease. On the dominican case, we can't give ourselves the luxury of granting the free hand to the cultures of inmigrant communities, specially when the one that is the more numerically significant around here (haitians) have superior birth rates than the local population. To ignore this reality is to invite disaster, and it can only end up in tears.

Another measure that the state have to take urgently (something which is being planned right now, but only with the people of the armed forces) is to repopulate the border provinces (Monte Cristi, Dajabon, Elias Piña, Independencia and Pedernales) with ethnic dominican families. I know that you'll come up with the line "How would you know if the dominican families in question don't have an haitian strain down the line", which would be my cue to respond "Duh, Wil", cuz' my main criteria in choosing the ethnic dominican families for the project would be to make sure that the connection of those families with Haiti (if they have any at all) is not that recent.

The objective of this is to prevent the population of the said provinces from developing an haitian majority that could be used as a basis for any further demand for more territories on the part of the haitian state on any future bilateral negotiation. And don't come to me with the line that there are not precedents about states reclaimming neighboring territories on the basis of having a part of their populations living on those territories in dispute, cuz' the international arena is shock full about those examples (France and Germany, about the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine; Belgium and the Netherlands on the brabantine provinces, etc.). For all the talks about brotherhood and good neighborhood, you know as well as I do that at the end of the day the haitian authorities will still look up for number one, that is, to struggle for the defense of their national interests first and foremost, and if the defense of those interests involve making our life impossible on the negotiation table, guess what? that would not make them lose their sleep in any sense, so I don't see the reason why we dominicans should act any differently on principle.

antonioj previously said:

It's quite ludicrous... what you wrote above. Micaela I wonder what make you a linguistic expert all the sudden and perhaps you can share some of the details to validate your conclusions of facts.

Micaela previously said:



Antonio, sorry for offending your sensibility. I am not linguist expert, but I thought that everybody could pick the native French and Creole speakers by their heavy accent and especially the way they stress the 'r'. I have a Frech girlfriend that had lived in DR for 25 years, speaks fluent Spanish and still you can hear it.

TanBellaMami previously said:




Precisely (lol).

My job is to allow people to see which contents I am responding to and the actual posters can remain anonymous since it is the content we are debating not directly the poster him or herself. That is our problems, we often want to know the posters so we could engaged on direct personal ranting attacks of disagreement. This is not a scholarly paper where I have to give credit to actual posters, but if I do post or reply directly to their quote I do, but if I do not, it is not as if I am writing my response considering TuPapaupa migh want to know my sources (lol ha hah).

I will try to post you name next to you quotes "Oh great one: (lol)!

MIRABUENO previously said:


i thought their r was flat. at least according to trujillo!