| #11 - Posted 13 October 2009, 4:39 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 2119 | RE: vacanos's fairy tale Quote: vacanos previously said: Quote: MIRABUENO previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Yea. Balguer was great. RIGHHHHT. Excuse my french but bullshit...the 70s were a time when the state was busy killing a whole new generation of dominican thinkers, where there was no free thought, WHEN PEOPLE VOTED WITH THEIR FEET AND LEFT THE COUNTRY EN MASSE. Riddle me vacanos: If things were so great then why did so many of our parents leave the country at the exact same time that your attempting to paint as some paradise? exactly not to mention the economic collapse. way to carry the torch doctor dolittle! mirabueno please enlight me what economic collapse? Also remember when Balaguer made it easier to our population to destroy our environment like the Haitian did. Jesus that was misworded and what i meant to put was security and i know that sounds funny. |
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| #12 - Posted 14 October 2009, 10:38 AM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: vacanos's fairy tale Lack of information about historical facts, is the worse ignorance, since people tend to tilt towards their own filtered belief system, and disregard historical accuracy. This is the case with judgements of Balaguer. He was a conniver, manipulator, schemer, and a great disciple of Machiavelo's teachings. But he also had many virtues as well, and was not interested in money or corruption, always cared for the betterment of the country and it's infrastructure, was a great ecologists, did not hock the country out to banks and foreign governments, was very nationalistic and a fervent patriot, and had high personal valor and discipline, being devoted to service. He was also an unrepentant Trujillista, and like a puppet master controlled the Trujillo military that kept him in power, and turned the other way when they committed many atrocities. I am in no way defending him, but like I said before, he was a man of many personal points of lights and virtues that his present day imitators lack, copying only his bad traits. Most persons are not aware that he was one of the main conspirators, along with his loyal military to overthrow the de facto Triunvirate, that had previously deposed Juan Bosch. And the conspiracy would have probably failed without his support. He turned against the revolution after being pressured by the US and the stubborn Juan Bosch position of the PRD to returning to power without elections. Had the PRD compromised and allowed the establishment of a military junta, and the return of Balaguer AND Bosch, for fair elections, the whole civil war would have been avoided. (as they compromised later anyway, but after many deaths and feeding of mortal feuds, by armed patriots on both sides). The biggest faux pas was the order to bombard the civilians at the Duarte bridge and the National palace, by the incompetent General Wessin, who was also anti-Balaguer. After that stupid and logistically worthless mistake, the compounding of the war was inevitable. Edited on 10/14/2009 10:44 AM by generoso. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #13 - Posted 14 October 2009, 11:31 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2636 Posts: 40 | RE: vacanos's fairy tale Yup Vacano, you guys really messed your country up big style. But admitting it is part of the process of doing something about it. The really shameful thing is that you turned it into a sexual playground for Gringos. Still, never mind. You can just sit under that mango tree, drink another Presidente and reminisce about the good times that are gone forever. |
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| #14 - Posted 14 October 2009, 5:28 PM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3575 | RE: vacanos's fairy tale Quote: generoso previously said: Lack of information about historical facts, is the worse ignorance, since people tend to tilt towards their own filtered belief system, and disregard historical accuracy. This is the case with judgements of Balaguer. He was a conniver, manipulator, schemer, and a great disciple of Machiavelo's teachings. But he also had many virtues as well, and was not interested in money or corruption, always cared for the betterment of the country and it's infrastructure, was a great ecologists, did not hock the country out to banks and foreign governments, was very nationalistic and a fervent patriot, and had high personal valor and discipline, being devoted to service. He was also an unrepentant Trujillista, and like a puppet master controlled the Trujillo military that kept him in power, and turned the other way when they committed many atrocities. I am in no way defending him, but like I said before, he was a man of many personal points of lights and virtues that his present day imitators lack, copying only his bad traits. Most persons are not aware that he was one of the main conspirators, along with his loyal military to overthrow the de facto Triunvirate, that had previously deposed Juan Bosch. And the conspiracy would have probably failed without his support. He turned against the revolution after being pressured by the US and the stubborn Juan Bosch position of the PRD to returning to power without elections. Had the PRD compromised and allowed the establishment of a military junta, and the return of Balaguer AND Bosch, for fair elections, the whole civil war would have been avoided. (as they compromised later anyway, but after many deaths and feeding of mortal feuds, by armed patriots on both sides). The biggest faux pas was the order to bombard the civilians at the Duarte bridge and the National palace, by the incompetent General Wessin, who was also anti-Balaguer. After that stupid and logistically worthless mistake, the compounding of the war was inevitable. Generoso without doubt you are the most important poster in this site. Your assessment of our country is simply remarkable and uncompromised like I said before it is a shame we don't have a person like you in our country's leadership. Yes as you stated Balaguer had his flaw but at the same time he did great thing for our country. He was the right person to guide us thru those difficult times. Very important he didn’t showed weakness against our lefty. Our country was in ruin when he took over in 1966. The first thing he did reduce all the excess and salary including him that saved the country at the time many millions dollar. He built a stable economy and infrastructure and when the fierce opposition came to power 12 year later what they did? That is what really pissed me off. Every time I go to my city of Santiago from the multi familiar who he built with the money of our country's resource for the poor people of our city during his time still stand. The road from Santiago to capital and from Santiago to Navarrete still stand, ECT. His adversary can comment all they want about Balaguer's flaw but right next to it they have to write the only president who served his country provided the people their needs and never got rich thru the ribs of our country. Nowadays Leonel on the table make 200,000 a month and each Sindico make 200,000. To this practice Balaguer considered the worst indignation to the country. Joaquin Balaguer was a true Dominican nationalist as you stated let me say when Bosch was writing book about Fidel, Marxism, Hosto, Haiti. Balaguer was writing about EL CRISTO DE LA LIBERTAD (Juan Pablo Duarte) or EL CENTINELA DE LA FRONTERA (Antonio Duverge) ECT. DIOS PATRIA Y LIBERTAD. "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain. "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery" Churchill |
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