| #11 - Posted 14 October 2009, 4:38 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR If you can mobilze the million dominicans who are out of the DR that would help! Get world attention focussed. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #12 - Posted 14 October 2009, 4:39 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3112 Posts: 729 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR i agree with abc's post not because i am communist or socialist or a huge fan of hugo but because in this instance i believe it was the right thing to do. some such program in the DR should be studied and debated. the DR has the land, water and sunshine to be self sufficient. instead of focusing on the tourism industry (this has shown to fluctuate with the ups and downs of the world economy and although brings some income to average citizens does not as a whole promote independance and pride)) you would be better served to provide for the common folks. give them a chance to escape the crowded barrios and make for themselves. some will take advantage and make a go of it. those deserved the chance and will become productive members of society. the others can go back to the slums and resume their old lifestyles of hand to mouth existance, drugs use and thievery. they also get what they deserve. i realise all of this would come at a steep price (as DR does not have the oil revenue available in venezuela) but rich and poor alike would benefit and no good ever comes without sacrifice. |
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| #13 - Posted 14 October 2009, 5:24 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3511 Posts: 244 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: RosaLaLinda previously said: Simple Question: Given the never-ending instances of corruption, mismanagement and nepotism in the current administration (and every so-called democratic administration since 1966), is it time for a Popular, Civil Revolution in the DR? If yes, Why; if not, Why not? It would be nice to think it would work. Why will it not work? The corruption is in the hearts of all the people. The new leaders would simply take over and begin to enrich themselves. China has very little corruption. If you are caught, you are shot. Let congress bring back the death penalty for corruption, and long jail sentences for lesser versions, and beginto put the rich in jail, or shoot them. Corruption will come to a halt The problem is - who gets to decide who is corrupt. William you are very wrong if you believe that there is no corruption in china. The workers party/communist party is extremely corrupt. Those that are executed are outliers that didn't pay there share to the higher-ups. Construction in China is mafia run with support from party officials that get large cuts for awarding contracts. Corruption is not unique to DR, nor the form of punishement or lack there of. Regardless it is untolerable, yet if you give an example please choose one which suits your argument. Formerly Estrella. |
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| #14 - Posted 14 October 2009, 5:32 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3112 Posts: 729 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR i like the cutting off of the hand law. if you see someone with one hand you know they are thieves and if you shake their hand you don't have to worry that they're in your pocket. |
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| #15 - Posted 14 October 2009, 5:42 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3511 Posts: 244 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR Quote: benforpeace previously said: i like the cutting off of the hand law. if you see someone with one hand you know they are thieves and if you shake their hand you don't have to worry that they're in your pocket. The Code of Hammurabi, all 282 laws???? or perhaps Lex talionis???? lol Edited on 10/14/2009 5:45 PM by HiHater. Formerly Estrella. |
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| #16 - Posted 14 October 2009, 7:00 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR Quote: benforpeace previously said: i like the cutting off of the hand law. if you see someone with one hand you know they are thieves and if you shake their hand you don't have to worry that they're in your pocket. That works. Have to make sure you cut the left hand off of a lefty though! Problemo - cut both hands off and they are back on welfare.... Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #17 - Posted 14 October 2009, 7:02 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR Quote: HiHater previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: RosaLaLinda previously said: Simple Question: Given the never-ending instances of corruption, mismanagement and nepotism in the current administration (and every so-called democratic administration since 1966), is it time for a Popular, Civil Revolution in the DR? If yes, Why; if not, Why not? It would be nice to think it would work. Why will it not work? The corruption is in the hearts of all the people. The new leaders would simply take over and begin to enrich themselves. China has very little corruption. If you are caught, you are shot. Let congress bring back the death penalty for corruption, and long jail sentences for lesser versions, and beginto put the rich in jail, or shoot them. Corruption will come to a halt The problem is - who gets to decide who is corrupt. William you are very wrong if you believe that there is no corruption in china. The workers party/communist party is extremely corrupt. Those that are executed are outliers that didn't pay there share to the higher-ups. Construction in China is mafia run with support from party officials that get large cuts for awarding contracts. Corruption is not unique to DR, nor the form of punishement or lack there of. Regardless it is untolerable, yet if you give an example please choose one which suits your argument. My brother just spent a year there - his wife is Chinese - you do not have to bar windows, and there is corruption (not nearly like the DR) and if you are caught you are jailed or shot. Keep in mind - the DR is not communist and the DR places a much higher value on human life- the recent law protects life from conception to natural death. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #18 - Posted 14 October 2009, 7:11 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3511 Posts: 244 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: HiHater previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: RosaLaLinda previously said: Simple Question: Given the never-ending instances of corruption, mismanagement and nepotism in the current administration (and every so-called democratic administration since 1966), is it time for a Popular, Civil Revolution in the DR? If yes, Why; if not, Why not? It would be nice to think it would work. Why will it not work? The corruption is in the hearts of all the people. The new leaders would simply take over and begin to enrich themselves. China has very little corruption. If you are caught, you are shot. Let congress bring back the death penalty for corruption, and long jail sentences for lesser versions, and beginto put the rich in jail, or shoot them. Corruption will come to a halt The problem is - who gets to decide who is corrupt. William you are very wrong if you believe that there is no corruption in china. The workers party/communist party is extremely corrupt. Those that are executed are outliers that didn't pay there share to the higher-ups. Construction in China is mafia run with support from party officials that get large cuts for awarding contracts. Corruption is not unique to DR, nor the form of punishement or lack there of. Regardless it is untolerable, yet if you give an example please choose one which suits your argument. My brother just spent a year there - his wife is Chinese - you do not have to bar windows, and there is corruption (not nearly like the DR) and if you are caught you are jailed or shot. Keep in mind - the DR is not communist and the DR places a much higher value on human life- the recent law protects life from conception to natural death. The life of a petty thief is not valued in china, or in most of the orient. (In fact the level of complacency/acceptance in the east and the low value of life in the east is quite disturbing for a westerner). Yet when that thief is a party chair or high official he cannot be prosectuted nor executed because he will have leverage. I am surprised that a capitalist and right winger such as your self looks to china as a model when dealing with corruption. Oh and China is not really communist, they are actually socialist and getting more capitalist by the day. Formerly Estrella. |
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| #19 - Posted 14 October 2009, 7:15 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn, NY Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3511 Posts: 244 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR One more thing Willy, Corupt party officials will always be able to steal much more than any petty thief. So comparing the "success" of the legal system in china of preventing petty theft, while bearing in mind the untouchable nature of corruption in its politics to DR and saying that the system in china is better is a far reach. To me either is unacceptable, yet to each his own. Formerly Estrella. |
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| #20 - Posted 14 October 2009, 8:37 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 7530 | RE: Is it time for a Civil, Popular Revolution in the DR Quote: RosaLaLinda previously said: Simple Question: Given the never-ending instances of corruption, mismanagement and nepotism in the current administration (and every so-called democratic administration since 1966), is it time for a Popular, Civil Revolution in the DR? If yes, Why; if not, Why not? NO. The Elections in the DR are free and transparent. If you are stupid enough to vote for them they you deserve what you get. Proof that dreadlocks is a Bigot ....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment? they did NOTHING! ......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages, whom they try to avoid, at all costs. |
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