| #1 - Posted 22 October 2009, 12:01 PM | |
Location: United States, New York Join date: January 2009 Member #: 2050 Posts: 19 | Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda Thought this was an interesting article, and somethign that could generate some interesting conversation here at DT. NEW YORK (CNN) -- Let's all pretend to be the astrologer Walter Mercado for a moment. Say we predict that the Obama administration's master plan to engage people of Latino/Hispanic/Spanish origin proves to be effective. Let's say that along with strategic partners Telemundo and the Census Bureau, they somehow manage to corral the millions of "Latinos" into filling out the 2010 census forms in April. Say the idea of plot-kneading the message into an already half-baked yet inexplicably popular telenovela, "Mas Sabe el Diablo," wins over the hearts and minds of "Latinos" everywhere. But what's a Latino? While we all may speak a version of our Spanish colonizer's language, contrary to popular belief, we're not all Mexican. Yes, the majority of Latinos in America are of Mexican descent, but we also hail from other countries around the world. Take the ethnically ambiguous 15 percent of us who descend from the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and Cuba. An overwhelming majority of us aren't solely of Spanish, black or native origin: We're all of the above and then some (some of our ancestors migrated from Asian, Middle Eastern and an array of European countries). With the 2010 census upon us, the time is now for the fastest-growing minority group in the country to define themselves for themselves and at the same time clear up the cultural confusion surrounding our identity. But how can we, given the perplexing racial categories on the census, coupled with our own complex identity issues, paint an accurate picture of who and how complex we are, not just what we are? Take me, for example; I'm a first-generation American, the product of Dominican parents whose short-lived relationship could have rivaled that of Shakespeare's own telenovela, Romeo and Juliet. My family is made up of a rainbow coalition of racial chameleons. Recently, I was told that my maternal grandmother's own abuela was Vietnamese; my maternal great-great-grandfather was Haitian; somewhere on my paternal side, we're supposedly Sephardic. As in many Dominican families in my New York neighborhood -- Washington Heights -- with ties to the motherland, blackness is rarely discussed. When I traveled to Sierra Leone and Ghana, I was asked if I was Moroccan, Lebanese or Eritrean. In Paris, if I was Brazilian or Arabic. In fact, I've been singled out a couple of times when entering and leaving Brazil, and was once accused of having a fake American passport by an agent. Being mistaken for everything but a person of Dominican heritage has certainly piqued my desire to examine how I and other Latinos fit into our national and global communities. When I learned that nearly eighty percent of Puerto Rico's 4 million colorful residents checked off the "white" racial box on the last census, I wasn't floored -- given the alternatives. Race in the Caribbean lies in the eye of the beholder. And the beholder, from centuries of colonization, has more often than not been socialized to reject their blackness despite our collective and direct relationship to slavery. An association with a historically discriminated ethnic group like African-Americans somehow drives the idea that the American dream is out of reach. In the American media, people with darker complexions are often grossly stereotyped. And Spanish language television often depicts people with darker skin and so-called African features as shiftless, ignorant and at the bottom of the social barrel. This sort exposure, along with other factors, will result in a Latino with dark skin to be inclined to check off "white," especially if their only other choices were "African-American" instead of, say "Black/Brown," and "Native American" rather than the more familiar "Indio/Taino." And then there's the pesky "Hispanic/Latino/Spanish" issue. I posed a few questions about the racial categories within the census to my Latino followers on Twitter. Off the bat, people found that lumping Spanish-speaking origins together was misleading. @TheJLV, self-described as half Dominican, wrote that there are "definitely misnomers unless you're strictly from Spain or have acknowledged Spanish ancestry." Many used "Latino" and "Hispanic" interchangeably, unsure about the differences, but rejected Spanish altogether because not doing so would be the same as an American calling themselves "English." Younger generations of American-born Latinos are challenging the census' categories, like 25-year-old @deevazquez, whose parents are Dominican and Puerto Rican-American: "Having Afro-Caribbean roots, I don't feel like any of those labels really represent my culture and historical background." Others, turned off by the overgeneralizations, are opting out altogether. If anything encouraging results in Latino census participation, aside from enhancing your state's chances of receiving a chunk of the allocated $400 billion in federal funds, it may be a growing desire within the Latino-American community to ask questions. Many responders have expressed interest in exploring their roots through genealogical DNA testing. I've often wondered where my Dominican ancestors originally came from, as have others in my community. Said one responder, "Not only do I look at myself and feel like I look different in every picture or mirror, but I also look at my family and wonder where certain features come from," she states, "and what it all mean[s]." Many of us want to know. Maybe in the future, the Census Bureau may want to borrow from a survey conducted by the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics in 1976 and ask Latinos to classify themselves. Through self-definition, the population presented 134 terms to describe race. Though it's uncertain that Latino-Americans will come close to topping Brazil's exhaustive list of ethnic categories, the results will certainly encourage all Americans to start thinking outside the box when it comes to their perceptions of race. One thing is certain: Christopher Columbus and his pirates of the Caribbean did their best to not only conquer the land but also, through slavery and miscegenation, to literally change the face of the New World. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Raquel Cepeda. http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/10/22/cepeda.latino.census/index.html Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools speak because they have to say something. |
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| #2 - Posted 22 October 2009, 11:05 PM | |
Location: United States, The Lake of Fire Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 902 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda Quote: MedinaNYC previously said: Thought this was an interesting article, and somethign that could generate some interesting conversation here at DT. NEW YORK (CNN) -- Let's all pretend to be the astrologer Walter Mercado for a moment. Say we predict that the Obama administration's master plan to engage people of Latino/Hispanic/Spanish origin proves to be effective. Let's say that along with strategic partners Telemundo and the Census Bureau, they somehow manage to corral the millions of "Latinos" into filling out the 2010 census forms in April. Say the idea of plot-kneading the message into ready half-baked yet inexplicably popular telenovela, "Mas Sabe el Diablo," wins over the hearts and minds of "Latinos" everywhere. But what's a Latino? While we all may speak a version of our Spanish colonizer's language, contrary to popular belief, we're not all Mexican. Yes, the majority of Latinos in America are of Mexican descent, but we also hail from other countries around the world. Take the ethnically ambiguous 15 percent of us who descend from the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and Cuba. An overwhelming majority of us aren't solely of Spanish, black or native origin: We're all of the above and then some (some of our ancestors migrated from Asian, Middle Eastern and an array of European countries). With the 2010 census upon us, the time is now for the fastest-growing minority group in the country to define themselves for themselves and at the same time clear up the cultural confusion surrounding our identity. But how can we, given the perplexing racial categories on the census, coupled with our own complex identity issues, paint an accurate picture of who and how complex we are, not just what we are? Take me, for example; I'm a first-generation American, the product of Dominican parents whose short-lived relationship could have rivaled that of Shakespeare's own telenovela, Romeo and Juliet. My family is made up of a rainbow coalition of racial chameleons. Recently, I was told that my maternal grandmother's own abuela was Vietnamese; my maternal great-great-grandfather was Haitian; somewhere on my paternal side, we're supposedly Sephardic. As in many Dominican families in my New York neighborhood -- Washington Heights -- with ties to the motherland, blackness is rarely discussed. When I traveled to Sierra Leone and Ghana, I was asked if I was Moroccan, Lebanese or Eritrean. In Paris, if I was Brazilian or Arabic. In fact, I've been singled out a couple of times when entering and leaving Brazil, and was once accused of having a fake American passport by an agent. Being mistaken for everything but a person of Dominican heritage has certainly piqued my desire to examine how I and other Latinos fit into our national and global communities. When I learned that nearly eighty percent of Puerto Rico's 4 million colorful residents checked off the "white" racial box on the last census, I wasn't floored -- given the alternatives. Race in the Caribbean lies in the eye of the beholder. And the beholder, from centuries of colonization, has more often than not been socialized to reject their blackness despite our collective and direct relationship to slavery. An association with a historically discriminated ethnic group like African-Americans somehow drives the idea that the American dream is out of reach. In the American media, people with darker complexions are often grossly stereotyped. And Spanish language television often depicts people with darker skin and so-called African features as shiftless, ignorant and at the bottom of the social barrel. This sort exposure, along with other factors, will result in a Latino with dark skin to be inclined to check off "white," especially if their only other choices were "African-American" instead of, say "Black/Brown," and "Native American" rather than the more familiar "Indio/Taino." And then there's the pesky "Hispanic/Latino/Spanish" issue. I posed a few questions about the racial categories within the census to my Latino followers on Twitter. Off the bat, people found that lumping Spanish-speaking origins together was misleading. @TheJLV, self-described as half Dominican, wrote that there are "definitely misnomers unless you're strictly from Spain or have acknowledged Spanish ancestry." Many used "Latino" and "Hispanic" interchangeably, unsure about the differences, but rejected Spanish altogether because not doing so would be the same as an American calling themselves "English." Younger generations of American-born Latinos are challenging the census' categories, like 25-year-old @deevazquez, whose parents are Dominican and Puerto Rican-American: "Having Afro-Caribbean roots, I don't feel like any of those labels really represent my culture and historical background." Others, turned off by the overgeneralizations, are opting out altogether. If anything encouraging results in Latino census participation, aside from enhancing your state's chances of receiving a chunk of the allocated $400 billion in federal funds, it may be a growing desire within the Latino-American community to ask questions. Many responders have expressed interest in exploring their roots through genealogical DNA testing. I've often wondered where my Dominican ancestors originally came from, as have others in my community. Said one responder, "Not only do I look at myself and feel like I look different in every picture or mirror, but I also look at my family and wonder where certain features come from," she states, "and what it all mean[s]." Many of us want to know. Maybe in the future, the Census Bureau may want to borrow from a survey conducted by the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics in 1976 and ask Latinos to classify themselves. Through self-definition, the population presented 134 terms to describe race. Though it's uncertain that Latino-Americans will come close to topping Brazil's exhaustive list of ethnic categories, the results will certainly encourage all Americans to start thinking outside the box when it comes to their perceptions of race. One thing is certain: Christopher Columbus and his pirates of the Caribbean did their best to not only conquer the land but also, through slavery and miscegenation, to literally change the face of the New World. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Raquel Cepeda. http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/10/22/cepeda.latino.census/index.html first of all raquel cepeda is nothing but a vende patria!!! she is not a dominican and never will be. she has nothing but a vague understanding of dominican culture and bashes dominicans left and right with her one drop rule crap. she plays the race card at every opportunity she gets. raquel cepeda is not even a dark dominican!!!! i wrote that woman a letter and never got a response along with vacanos. been to the dominican once and now thinks that she is an expert on race categorizing. do us a favor raquel and stay in new york city where beliefs over there coexist with your theories. Edited on 10/24/2009 3:12 PM by MIRABUENO. |
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| #3 - Posted 23 October 2009, 9:58 AM | |
Location: United States, New York Join date: January 2009 Member #: 2050 Posts: 19 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. After reading her article, it was like, "what are you talking about Raquel?" She was "floored" when she learned that 80% of Puerto Ricans choose "white" for the racial box on the last census? Get a clue Raquel! Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools speak because they have to say something. |
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| #4 - Posted 23 October 2009, 10:36 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 2437 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda Quote: MedinaNYC previously said: I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. After reading her article, it was like, "what are you talking about Raquel?" She was "floored" when she learned that 80% of Puerto Ricans choose "white" for the racial box on the last census? Get a clue Raquel! It shouldn't be a shock to you. We have many "Dominican" after studying in the USA felt in love with the one drop rule after being brainwashed by the afro-centrist. They auto proclaim color as the reason to follow and see us (Dominican nationalist proud of our country) very ignorant. When they are fully capable of spiting their venom they return to their roots to force their color-race issue on us Dominican. They are some like her in this Dominican site. SEREMOS RECONOCIDOS LOS TRINITARIOS CON LAS PALABRAS SACRAMENTALES: "DIOS" "PATRIA" Y "LIBERTAD". ASI LO PROMETO ANTES DIOS Y EL MUNDO: SI LO HAGO, DIOS ME PROTEJAS, Y DE NO, ME LO TOME EN CUENTA, Y MIS CONSOCIOS ME CASTIGUEN EL PERJURIO Y LA TRAICION, SI LOS VENDO. |
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| #5 - Posted 23 October 2009, 1:00 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 379 Posts: 6 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda You have done your homework Ms. Cepeda ! Chapeau !!! Not often i have read as good a work ! |
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| #6 - Posted 24 October 2009, 1:03 PM | |
Location: United States, The Lake of Fire Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 902 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda Quote: vacanos previously said: Quote: MedinaNYC previously said: I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. After reading her article, it was like, "what are you talking about Raquel?" She was "floored" when she learned that 80% of Puerto Ricans choose "white" for the racial box on the last census? Get a clue Raquel! It shouldn't be a shock to you. We have many "Dominican" after studying in the USA felt in love with the one drop rule after being brainwashed by the afro-centrist. They auto proclaim color as the reason to follow and see us (Dominican nationalist proud of our country) very ignorant. When they are fully capable of spiting their venom they return to their roots to force their color-race issue on us Dominican. They are some like her in this Dominican site. do you see how her beliefs separate dominicans by race? race does nothing but separate people and group them. dominicans do not need to be grouped. we are a culture of people. |
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| #7 - Posted 24 October 2009, 4:29 PM | |
Location: United States, Santiago de los Caballeros Join date: March 2008 Member #: 498 Posts: 301 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda Did you guys know that she is married to a Haitian and is completely clueless as to DR?? She's just riding her Latina in the City fame by mostly bashing DR culture. Its funny how she ALWAYS talks about her world travels, but I bet my finca on her not having a clue who lives in Villa Mella and how they differ from those that live in Janico but they consider themselves Domincan first. We need to contact her and have her explain her DR expertise, Im already on it. Frankly if you are going to talk about racism in the DR, you need to have traveled the four corners of the country, the highlands and the valleys to really get a clue what we are all about. Washington Heights is NOT the best representation of what Dominicans are. Edited on 10/26/2009 7:49 PM by Sajomero. |
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| #8 - Posted 26 October 2009, 1:56 PM | |
Location: United States, New York Join date: January 2009 Member #: 2050 Posts: 19 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda Mira - Yes, definitely can see how she crafts her works and ideas as a way to categorize/differentiate dominicans. It's a shame. Sajomera - Haha, well said, but its is sad that a lot of people in NYC, non-hispanic and hispanic alike, think that Washington Heights is what most Dominicans are like. Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools speak because they have to say something. |
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| #9 - Posted 26 October 2009, 2:26 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 2437 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda Quote: Sajomero previously said: Did you guys know that she is married to a Haitian and there is completely clueless as to DR?? She's just riding her Latina in the City fame city by mostly bashing DR culture. Its funny how she ALWAYS talks about her world travels, but I bet my finca on her not having a clue who lives in Villa Mella and how they differ from those that live in Janico but they consider themselves Domincan first. We need to contact her and have her explain her DR expertise, Im already on it. Frankly if you are going to talk about racism in the DR, you need to have traveled the four corners of the country, the highlands and the valleys to really get a clue what we are all about. Washington Heights is NOT the best representation of what Dominicans are. Like I told Mira good luck trying to contact her. She is a snake who thinks like you said the best way at advancing in her hip hop culture crap is to demean our country. She is trashing our culture yet she find perfectly fine the hip hop crap culture who try to advance at every woman as whore and all men as pimp drug dealer. Btw que viva Balaguer SEREMOS RECONOCIDOS LOS TRINITARIOS CON LAS PALABRAS SACRAMENTALES: "DIOS" "PATRIA" Y "LIBERTAD". ASI LO PROMETO ANTES DIOS Y EL MUNDO: SI LO HAGO, DIOS ME PROTEJAS, Y DE NO, ME LO TOME EN CUENTA, Y MIS CONSOCIOS ME CASTIGUEN EL PERJURIO Y LA TRAICION, SI LOS VENDO. |
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| #10 - Posted 26 October 2009, 2:34 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 2437 | RE: Interesting CNN Article - 'But what's a Latino?' By Raquel Cepeda Quote: MIRABUENO previously said: Quote: vacanos previously said: Quote: MedinaNYC previously said: I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. After reading her article, it was like, "what are you talking about Raquel?" She was "floored" when she learned that 80% of Puerto Ricans choose "white" for the racial box on the last census? Get a clue Raquel! It shouldn't be a shock to you. We have many "Dominican" after studying in the USA felt in love with the one drop rule after being brainwashed by the afro-centrist. They auto proclaim color as the reason to follow and see us (Dominican nationalist proud of our country) very ignorant. When they are fully capable of spiting their venom they return to their roots to force their color-race issue on us Dominican. They are some like her in this Dominican site. do you see how her beliefs separate dominicans by race? race does nothing but separate people and group them. dominicans do not need to be grouped. we are a culture of people. Mira that is how they promote their agenda. Let me show you an example of this "Dominican" with this youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFQ-0FsPrY&feature=related SEREMOS RECONOCIDOS LOS TRINITARIOS CON LAS PALABRAS SACRAMENTALES: "DIOS" "PATRIA" Y "LIBERTAD". ASI LO PROMETO ANTES DIOS Y EL MUNDO: SI LO HAGO, DIOS ME PROTEJAS, Y DE NO, ME LO TOME EN CUENTA, Y MIS CONSOCIOS ME CASTIGUEN EL PERJURIO Y LA TRAICION, SI LOS VENDO. |
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