| #51 - Posted 21 November 2009, 7:57 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Stop crying a me f*cking river, for goodness sake!! It's his word, not mine's, and from what I have heard from some people that have dealt with louisianan themselves (Blutarsky GC), the people of Louisiana claim that the majority of their heritage comes from the people of Acadia/Plains of Abraham, which were expelled from the area when the british conquered Canada in the Seven Year's War (1756-1763), more commonly known in America by the names "King George's War" and "Third French and Indian War". Look it up. Yeah I am crying wolves and rivers much like many other "piss-in -their-pants" Dominicans on here like to do whenever anything is said about DR that they feel they should cry about ( Yeah you mean how they cry wolves on those questions with denials, justifications and elusive evading tactics to shun away or not answer these specific questions openly as they even go the extra length of accusing individuals who bring forward these questions as individual who suffers from Identity inferiority crisis complex issues according to those many Dominicans who are not comfortable to answer those questions ( Anyway, no need to reply to the above two paragraphs since I am taunting you here I'll take the jab anyway... To read your words, one can't help but conclude that you're in the (very much mistaken) belief that the problems on this island (specially the incredible, foul, revolting, detestable, repulsive and gut-punching chasm separating the few haves from the MANY have nots in Haiti) will have a solution when dominicans "stop being racist against the haitians", when the DR haven't had (and one hopes that it will never have the need to have) a say on haitian matters. Only when the haitian masses grow some testicular fortitude and fight for their rights IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, is when we dominicans will start having some kind of respect for them. As I have said time and again when discussing these matters, respect and love are not things that are given for free (nor they ought to be so), they're things that have to be EARNED. How can the common haitian hope for foreigners to love and respect him/her, specially when he/she IS NEITHER LOVED NOR RESPECTED IN HIS/HER OWN COUNTRY? This is the question that I want you and others like you to answer. Sometimes, I can't help but feeling like father Montesinos, "Vox clamatis in deserto". I'll be waiting (hopefully, not in vain this time).... Edited on 11/21/2009 8:04 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #52 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:01 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2266 Posts: 1533 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Listen, I DO NOT CARE WHAT VIN DIESEL OR ANYONE CALLS THEMSELVES. But as far as I'm concerned Beyonce has never claimed to be Haitian. All search results of this offered little but idiots with a Haitian bias looking to claim people as Haitians (Lloyd Banks and others) and anything based on biography has said Louisiana Creole. And really, I don't care I just found the title of the video to be wrong or at the least misleading. Next thing you know, it will be that the person on the video is not Beyonce speaking too huh? Next thing you know it will be said that she was coerced into saying specifically "Sak Pase" which is Haitian Creole and not "Qu'est ce passe" which is Louisiana Creole... Or as though anyone who were to claim they have Haitian heritage because they are famous in USA is so farfetched as though it is impossible for these folks to be Haitian in heritage... yeah okay, this shows the enormous discontent and hatred for Haitians right there that they could not claim anyone to be of their roots. Missy Elliot who claims that she has Haitian heritage is also lying. Lil Wayne who claims his ancestors are from Haiti is also lying. Usher's background is also a lie... Tony Yayo is also making shit up, too huh... "I DO NOT CARE WHAT VIN DIESEL OR ANYONE CALLS THEMSELVES." Was the point of his comment. To be honest, I could care less of what goes on in the mind of a nonpolitical public figure. All these gossip magazines talking about Rihanna beaten, Britney shaven, or even OJ Simpson killing his White wife can go to inferno for all I care. What difference is what an athlete/singer thinks/does going to make on my life?, none, I am still living the same way... |
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| #53 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:04 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Listen, I DO NOT CARE WHAT VIN DIESEL OR ANYONE CALLS THEMSELVES. But as far as I'm concerned Beyonce has never claimed to be Haitian. All search results of this offered little but idiots with a Haitian bias looking to claim people as Haitians (Lloyd Banks and others) and anything based on biography has said Louisiana Creole. And really, I don't care I just found the title of the video to be wrong or at the least misleading. Next thing you know, it will be that the person on the video is not Beyonce speaking too huh? Next thing you know it will be said that she was coerced into saying specifically "Sak Pase" which is Haitian Creole and not "Qu'est ce passe" which is Louisiana Creole... Or as though anyone who were to claim they have Haitian heritage because they are famous in USA is so farfetched as though it is impossible for these folks to be Haitian in heritage... yeah okay, this shows the enormous discontent and hatred for Haitians right there that they could not claim anyone to be of their roots. Missy Elliot who claims that she has Haitian heritage is also lying. Lil Wayne who claims his ancestors are from Haiti is also lying. Usher's background is also a lie... Tony Yayo is also making shit up, too huh... Afro, I REALLY don't care who claims Haitian heritage. Everything I read about her so far contradicts this, and she could have used that phrase because of some solidarity or having Haitian friends. You're a nutcase, clearly. What bias have I show you moron? I was critiquing some 2 bit blog claiming a bunch of people were Haitian left and right who are not INCLUDING Lloyd Banks who is Puerto Rican and African American. I never said ANY of those scumbags weren't Haitian. |
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| #54 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:06 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Stop crying a me f*cking river, for goodness sake!! It's his word, not mine's, and from what I have heard from some people that have dealt with louisianan themselves (Blutarsky GC), the people of Louisiana claim that the majority of their heritage comes from the people of Acadia/Plains of Abraham, which were expelled from the area when the british conquered Canada in the Seven Year's War (1756-1763), more commonly known in America by the names "King George's War" and "Third French and Indian War". Look it up. Yeah I am crying wolves and rivers much like many other "piss-in -their-pants" Dominicans on here like to do whenever anything is said about DR that they feel they should cry about ( Yeah you mean how they cry wolves on those questions with denials, justifications and elusive evading tactics to shun away or not answer these specific questions openly as they even go the extra length of accusing individuals who bring forward these questions as individual who suffers from Identity inferiority crisis complex issues according to those many Dominicans who are not comfortable to answer those questions ( Anyway, no need to reply to the above two paragraphs since I am taunting you here I'll take the jab anyway... To read your words, one can't help but conclude that you're in the (very much mistaken) belief that the problems on this island (specially the incredible, foul, revolting, detestable, repulsive and gut-punching chasm separating the few haves from the MANY have nots in Haiti) will have a solution when dominicans "stop being racist against the haitians", when the DR haven't had (and one hopes that it will never have the need to have) a say on haitian matters. Only when the haitian masses grow some testicular fortitude and fight for their rights IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, is when we dominicans will start having some kind of respect for them. As I have said time and again when discussing these matters, respect and love are not things that are given for free (nor they ought to be so), they're things that have to be EARNED. How can the common haitian hope for foreigners to love and respect him/her, specially when he/she IS NEITHER LOVED NOR RESPECTED IN HIS/HER OWN COUNTRY? This is the question that I want you and others like you to answer. Sometimes, I can't help but feeling like father Montesinos, "Vox clamatis in deserto". I'll be waiting (hopefully, not in vain this time).... You know what's funny? This joker claims heritage on both sides but whenever the lines are drawn he shows a clear bias. So much for being the great mediator. |
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| #55 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:07 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: Lautaro previously said: Whatever. Instead of claimming if fulano is an haitian or not, you should be applying yourself in building a country, cuz' people can die tomorrow, but a successful state/country/nation is something more commendable and glorious to brag about, IMHO. Yeah and there it is. Always the norm of deviation from any discussed topics. All of a sudden this is turned into "Applying To Build A Country". The reason I post those videos was because as usual Dominicans on here are raging on a constant rampage campaign of defaming, degrading and debasing Haiti and Haitians on here with their focus on posting negative things only about Haiti and demonizing, distorting and demeaning everything they can about Haiti and Haitian and to the eyes of many of you on here it is okay. Well in "applying to build a country" public relation campaign is also crucial, but many on here rely on their version of negative public relation tactics to always project Haiti and Haitians as villains, monsters, plagues and so forth all these negativities have been posted on here by Dominicans, those same ones who like to cry rivers and wolves the minute something negative is said about DR or someone were to brought up a subject that pertains to Dominican socio-racial dynamics. Those same Dominicans who are always asking for Haitians to leave this site, yet cannot help themselves to post Hateful Derogatory threads about Haiti and Haitians yet expect for Haitians to stand and watch as they post their ills statements about Haiti. Those Dominicans also have engaged on calling everyone who sympathized/empathized for Haiti as "Haitians" as though it is the worse thing to be in the face of this human world. All kinds of names have been used on here to describe Haitians and I never see other Dominicans raise a red flag against those folks, not even this site have... so sure buddy. |
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| #56 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:12 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Afro, I REALLY don't care who claims Haitian heritage. Everything I read about her so far contradicts this, and she could have used that phrase because of some solidarity or having Haitian friends. You're a nutcase, clearly. What bias have I show you moron? I was critiquing some 2 bit blog claiming a bunch of people were Haitian left and right who are not INCLUDING Lloyd Banks who is Puerto Rican and African American. I never said ANY of those scumbags weren't Haitian. So if he is Puerto Rican and Black and no one on here has stated or claimed him to be Haitian, how does he (Lloyd Banks) came into this discussion and is relevant how? So why these individuals are scum bags all of a sudden? Yet I am the moron nutcase right, since I am the one who have used vulgarity and offensive words to you, too huh...? Sure buddy. Edited on 11/21/2009 8:31 PM by AfroLatino1. |
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| #57 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:13 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Whatever. Instead of claimming if fulano is an haitian or not, you should be applying yourself in building a country, cuz' people can die tomorrow, but a successful state/country/nation is something more commendable and glorious to brag about, IMHO. Yeah and there it is. Always the norm of deviation from any discussed topics. All of a sudden this is turned into "Applying To Build A Country". The reason I post those videos was because as usual Dominicans on here are raging on a constant rampage campaign of defaming, degrading and debasing Haiti and Haitians on here with their focus on posting negative things only about Haiti and demonizing, distorting and demeaning everything they can about Haiti and Haitian and to the eyes of many of you on here it is okay. Well in "applying to build a country" public relation campaign is also crucial, but many on here rely on their version of negative public relation tactics to always project Haiti and Haitians as villains, monsters, plagues and so forth all these negativities have been posted on here by Dominicans, those same ones who like to cry rivers and wolves the minute something negative is said about DR or someone were to brought up a subject that pertains to Dominican socio-racial dynamics. Those same Dominicans who are always asking for Haitians to leave this site, yet cannot help themselves to post Hateful Derogatory threads about Haiti and Haitians yet expect for Haitians to stand and watch as they post their ills statements about Haiti. Those Dominicans also have engaged on calling everyone who sympathized/empathized for Haiti as "Haitians" as though it is the worse thing to be in the face of this human world. All kinds of names have been used on here to describe Haitians and I never see other Dominicans raise a red flag against those folks, not even this site have... so sure buddy. Just a simple question: Will Beyonce's (and other haitians or supposed haitian jet set people) personal and individual triumphs change the prostrated condition in which Haiti finds itself today? The point here is that those "triumphs" will not change one iota of the affairs over there if to have them means that haitians have to leave Haiti behind forever in order to get them. Aside from Wyclef Jean, I don't see any of the so called haitian artists lifting a finger to change their home environment. Edited on 11/21/2009 8:18 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #58 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:24 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: You know what's funny? This joker claims heritage on both sides but whenever the lines are drawn he shows a clear bias. So much for being the great mediator. Just because I am both Dominican and Haitian does that mean I should not have sympathy or empathy toward Haiti or respect for Haitians? There has not been any post which I have posted on here asking for peaceful means and greater relations between DR and Haiti that have not been ridiculed by your average "Radical Extreme Neo-Conservative Protectionist Racist" Dominicans on here pretending to be patriotic from behind their well comforted USA computer desktops whom knows nothing about the true aspects and dynamics of the island, but can only pretend to imagine that they do. |
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| #59 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:30 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: Lautaro previously said: Just a simple question: Will Beyonce's (and other haitians or supposed haitian jet set people) personal and individual triumphs change the prostrated condition in which Haiti finds itself today? The point here is that those "triumphs" will not change one iota of the affairs over there if to have them means that haitians have to leave Haiti behind forever in order to get them. Aside from Wyclef Jean, I don't see any of the so called haitian artists lifting a finger to change their home environment. What it can do is stem greater pride that some kid is not going to be ashamed to say they are Haitians because of all the negativities they see many have focused on projecting about Haiti. It means, if more who are successful were to acknowledge they are Haitians many youths who tend to have this negative psychological thinking that Haitians cannot amount to a thing, could have different perspectives since many youths idolize superstars and perhaps if in turns those kids amount to something they possibly can be great contributors as is Wyclef Jean and might feel more encouraged. Granted and understandably, there could be a thousand stars claiming they are Haitians in fact may not necessarily make much a difference for Haiti that perhaps the eyes can see, but nor can we say for certain and definitely that their influences cannot, especially if imagine those stars were to start being pro-active like Wyclef... Edited on 11/21/2009 8:33 PM by AfroLatino1. |
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| #60 - Posted 21 November 2009, 8:32 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Afro, I REALLY don't care who claims Haitian heritage. Everything I read about her so far contradicts this, and she could have used that phrase because of some solidarity or having Haitian friends. You're a nutcase, clearly. What bias have I show you moron? I was critiquing some 2 bit blog claiming a bunch of people were Haitian left and right who are not INCLUDING Lloyd Banks who is Puerto Rican and African American. I never said ANY of those scumbags weren't Haitian. So if he is Puerto Rican and Black and no one on here have have stated or claimed him to be Haitian, how does he (Lloyd Banks) came into this discussion and is relevant how? So why these individuals are scum bags all of a sudden? Yet I am the moron nutcase right, since I am the one who have used vulgarity and offensive words to you, too huh...? Sure buddy. DUDE YOU ARE MENTALLY SLOW. A few posts again this all began by me mentioning a blog that stated Beyonce and a bunch of other Afro American celebs were Haitian. A few they listed were of Haitian descent. MANY were not, including Lloyd Banks. They are scumbags because many of those people you mentioned appeal to the lowest common denominator of entertainment value including but not limited to murder, drug use and distribution, sex (many times non-consensual), etc. You're the only one who used vulgarity: Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Tony Yayo is also making shit up, too huh... I call you those names because you read what you would like to see and make arguments out of thin air. |
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