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| #81 - Posted 22 November 2009, 12:35 AM | |
 Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431  | RE: Haitianos Destruyendo LOS HATISES 46 ENCONTRADO CORTANDO VEGETACION Quote: Incognito previously said: No one trust Haiti is more than Cité Soleil,Lasaline etc Well, That is true, this much I can tell you. Most on here think that Haiti is all of what they see in the world media because that is what is being projected onto them and most accept it with open arms and mind as to all that Haiti is. Most of Haiti's provinces looks almost and in some cases just as some of DR's provinces with less infrastructure perhaps of course, but those who look for the negative sides of Haiti in addition to/with their already deep seated hatred and resentments for Haiti will find only the negative sides since this is what they focus on. It is not as if I expect they would start engaging in looking for positive images, videos and great sides of Haiti. No, they will not; simply because that would be an absurdity on their part of a thing to do I am sure they believe (lol)... Because then, they know that would defeat their whole purpose of agenda they have in demonizing, defame and degrade Haiti with their views of how they view Haitians as lower species of human beings. P.S: Take a time to look at the various negative derogatory, discriminatory, inflammatory and incendiary words they have used and are using on here towards Haiti and to describe other human beings thus the Haitians. |
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| #82 - Posted 22 November 2009, 12:49 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431 | RE: Haitianos Destruyendo LOS HATISES 46 ENCONTRADO CORTANDO VEGETACION I believe DR is more or less, a 98% Roman Christian catholic population, is it not? Well, their views and ethics principals towards other human beings (Oh excuse me, not just any human beings, just the Haitians) could have fooled me to think otherwise. I could be part Dominican and still see when people are being unchristian, to see christians engaging in acts of demonizing, degrading and derogate other humans is to me unremarkably disturbing. But hey, I should not express this sentiment because it will be characterized as me being biased because I am part Haitian. The caricature of satires of me on here will come in all sorts of absurdities because forbid if I were in my humbled opinion to find some of the acts or statements of most on here to be inhumane. P.S: I should not dare to speak of peace because then I will be the one who is delusional, and with all sorts of problems as in their minds they will view themselves righteous and just in their acts of constant slander. |
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| #83 - Posted 22 November 2009, 12:59 AM | |
 Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: Haitianos Destruyendo LOS HATISES 46 ENCONTRADO CORTANDO VEGETACION Ah quit your belly aching. |
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| #84 - Posted 22 November 2009, 3:53 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2945 Posts: 823 | RE: Haitianos Destruyendo LOS HATISES 46 ENCONTRADO CORTANDO VEGETACION Afrolatino, Why if Haitians had agreed to pay France, were they still afraid that France would come back to take the island from them? It seems to me more like that they occupied this side because they had destroyed their production means and saw this side as the gold mine that would pay for their great debt. Now if Haiti was right to invade us because their own interest, Do you believe that is right that USA invade any country because their own interest? Do you think that those countries should understand USA predicament and needs? Regarding the famous Haitians, pride will be stem in kids outside Haiti, because I don't see how a kid eating dirk cookies, when eating something, could have different perspectives because anybody claims to be Haitian. Contrary to you, they don't see the negativities that somebody has focused on projecting about Haiti; They just live them and have nothing to do with psychological thinking, just lack of food, school, heath care, shelters, jobs, safety, etc. Dominicans don't use our so-called successes of DR as leverage to vilify Haiti and Haitians. If Haitians were not all over DR we would not be talking about anything different from commerce and common problems to be solve. That is why I don't understand your question: What anyone who is Haitian or are Haitian will do when and if they see a title for a thread like this "Haitianos Destruyendo Los Hatises? What should they do if Haitians are indeed destroying Los Haitises? If it is not true, denounce us as liars, can you do it? Can you honestly say that they are not destroying the park? Don't you know why people are ridiculed when they talk about "Human Right" violation issues in DR? Because the same that talk about it, have never, ever, said anything about Human Right violation and racism in Haiti. Why if they do not care about the rights of the 9 millions in Haiti, are they so interested in the rights of the 2 millions in DR? |
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| #85 - Posted 22 November 2009, 5:02 PM | |
 Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: June 2009 Member #: 3003 Posts: 737 | RE: Haitianos Destruyendo LOS HATISES 46 ENCONTRADO CORTANDO VEGETACION Quote: Micaela previously said: Afrolatino, Why if Haitians had agreed to pay France, were they still afraid that France would come back to take the island from them? It seems to me more like that they occupied this side because they had destroyed their production means and saw this side as the gold mine that would pay for their great debt. Now if Haiti was right to invade us because their own interest, Do you believe that is right that USA invade any country because their own interest? Do you think that those countries should understand USA predicament and needs? Regarding the famous Haitians, pride will be stem in kids outside Haiti, because I don't see how a kid eating dirk cookies, when eating something, could have different perspectives because anybody claims to be Haitian. Contrary to you, they don't see the negativities that somebody has focused on projecting about Haiti; They just live them and have nothing to do with psychological thinking, just lack of food, school, heath care, shelters, jobs, safety, etc. Dominicans don't use our so-called successes of DR as leverage to vilify Haiti and Haitians. If Haitians were not all over DR we would not be talking about anything different from commerce and common problems to be solve. That is why I don't understand your question: What anyone who is Haitian or are Haitian will do when and if they see a title for a thread like this "Haitianos Destruyendo Los Hatises? What should they do if Haitians are indeed destroying Los Haitises? If it is not true, denounce us as liars, can you do it? Can you honestly say that they are not destroying the park? Don't you know why people are ridiculed when they talk about "Human Right" violation issues in DR? Because the same that talk about it, have never, ever, said anything about Human Right violation and racism in Haiti. Why if they do not care about the rights of the 9 millions in Haiti, are they so interested in the rights of the 2 millions in DR? Did you know why Boyer paid France ? Look how long he was president you have your answer right there. TN1804 |
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| #86 - Posted 22 November 2009, 5:21 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2945 Posts: 823 | RE: Haitianos Destruyendo LOS HATISES 46 ENCONTRADO CORTANDO VEGETACION Incognito, why Boyer paid France is a Haitian issue. Ours is that because he paid, he went to our side to get money, with the excuse of liberating slaves that were not asking for liberation, but instead of liberating them and leaving, just stayed and enslave the whole country, and in the interim did everything we know. Yesterday as today if one country wants to justify an aggression to another country, they would always find the excuse even though they fool nobody. But today we have a ball criticizing the USA for invading others countries, including ours, and blaming them for all our miseries and shortcomings, so if they are not justified, nobody else is, not even Haiti. |
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| #87 - Posted 22 November 2009, 5:36 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431 | RE: Haitianos Destruyendo LOS HATISES 46 ENCONTRADO CORTANDO VEGETACION Quote: Micaela previously said: Afrolatino, Why if Haitians had agreed to pay France, were they still afraid that France would come back to take the island from them? Because first my friend, France took that blow as an insult and had vowed for a return on the island for revenge for the mere fact that France has always been making threat under those premises and vowed to return to re-occupied Haiti. (There are letters of Napoleon that backed such a claim). Second, after many mis-acknowledgements and un-recognitions from many others who thought less or nothing of Haiti, the new Independent Black nation, there were growing consensus to undermine Haiti's credibility as an existing nation until there was this stupid idiotic Haitian president who thought he was being smart or intelligent by having gave France a fake bad check  . (Seriously, that did actually took place).Second, this lead to France not having had recognize Haiti's independence themselves which lasted for a long time into the 19th century and some say also even well into the 20th century. (If you want or even care to do so, you can do some research on Boyer). |
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| #88 - Posted 22 November 2009, 5:44 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431 | RE: Haitianos Destruyendo LOS HATISES 46 ENCONTRADO CORTANDO VEGETACION Quote: Micaela previously said: Incognito, why Boyer paid France is a Haitian issue. Ours is that because he paid, he went to our side to get money, with the excuse of liberating slaves that were not asking for liberation, but instead of liberating them and leaving, just stayed and enslave the whole country, and in the interim did everything we know. Yesterday as today if one country wants to justify an aggression to another country, they would always find the excuse even though they fool nobody. But today we have a ball criticizing the USA for invading others countries, including ours, and blaming them for all our miseries and shortcomings, so if they are not justified, nobody else is, not even Haiti. No, Haiti did not go to the other side to get money to pay France or use ill-excuses of liberation to justify their occupying the other side. This is something as I once said, is moot to debate because Dominicans and Haitians till this day are still at odd to accept each other's premises on that issue. However, accept it or not, this was the reason Haiti had to invade and occupied the former Spanish colony which Haiti deemed was a threat to the entire island as a whole. Believe or accept it or not, Haiti back then was doing in terms of military strategies and policies what the USA is supposedly doing today. Again, this will be a moot argument to discuss since DR's resentment of or for Haiti is so fundamentally strong. |
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| #89 - Posted 22 November 2009, 5:47 PM | |
 Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5742 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: People are ridiculed when they even talk about "Human Right" violation issues in DR or if they voice opinions regarding racism in DR as though these things are invisible in DR of some kind. People cannot even begin to talk about those subjects without a Dominican wanting to make as though these aspects do not exist in DR. If one mentions world issues in relation to DR issues even if it is to make slight parallel analogies, Dominicans then say: "well this is DR" not the world. If one mention DR issues in relation to World issues even if it is again to make slight parallel analogies, Dominicans then say: "well this is Worldly" not just DR. 1- Because it's a joke to talk about human rights violations in the DR when these so called violations, when touched by haitian politicians and private haitians from the diaspora (in the role of useful idiots), it's only to bring into light the ones suffered by haitians, when the fact is that dominicans are also the victims of those on the part of our own authorities and high powered elites. 2- Because it's a joke to talk about human rights violations against haitians in the DR when 9 million haitians are suffering worse human rights violations in Haiti and nobody is lifting a bloody finger to change anything over there. 3- Because any talk about human rights violations against haitians in the DR smacks of the vilest and most foul of hypocrisies when we consider the fact that the only thing that the common haitian have to do to win twenty years of extra life on this earth is to cross the fucking border dividing the island. 4 - Because any talk about human rights violations against haitians in the DR is the most common and cheapest of tactics used by haitian politicians and the elites of that country in order to AVOID dealing with the REAL problem of this island, that is, dealing with the foul, detestable, repulsive and deplorable chasm dividing the haves from the have nots in Haiti. That, monsieur, is the real problem that should have your undivided attention, instead of making yourself ridiculous by exposing yourself to being browbeaten by any of us with your embarrassing attempts to make us swallow a problem that you don't, and will never experience, directly. A problem caused by the ineptitude, irresponsibility and invincible malignity of the people having the reins of your unfortunate country. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #90 - Posted 22 November 2009, 5:52 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2008 Member #: 1813 Posts: 234 | RE: SOME PROUD HAITIANS Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Clearly someone (the reporter/interviewer, w/e) is showing her how to say those specific Haitian Creole phrases. You can even make out his voice as he guides her through it towards the end. And this automatically gives some Haitians the right to claim her as their own? If that were the case then we might as well claim she's latina since she actually sang an entire song in spanish for the latino audience.  Edited on 11/22/2009 6:02 PM by joblitsky. |
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