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Thumbs down on new Constitution

Lawyers Nassef Perdomo, Cristobal Rodriguez, Eduardo Jorge Prats and Josue Fiallo explained to students the pros and cons of the new Constitution that is due to go into effect on 11 December, as reported in Hoy.

At the gathering, "Constitutional Reform: Progress or Setback," Perdomo and Rodriguez spoke up on the cons of the new Constitution, including clauses that impede citizens from protesting its violations and the approval of the Art 38 (formerly 30) that bans any form of abortion.

Jorge and Fiallo sought to convince the students that the 2009 Constitution took into consideration 90% of the opinions coming from national consultations prior to the convening of Congress for the final decision on what should go in and what should be left out.

Law students of the Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre y Maestra, the largest Dominican private university, organized the debates.

A vote was called before the debates and of 200 students, 59% described the 2009 Constitution as a setback, 19% as a step forward and 22% were undecided. After the debates, 66% of the students said it was a setback for the country, 26% called it progressive and 8% were undecided.

Hey Time,

Do not tell me that you do not know how and why this has came about to be and is now soon to be adopted this coming December. Look up this word "Nazionalistas" and you shall get your answer and whom sponsored in conjunctive support for such a new Constitution which Leonel's government have decided to go along with.

By the way, is DR not mostly a society with strong Christian, Catholic religious belief by a good 80% at least if not more...? Well, do you not know that most Evangelist, Conservative Christian or Catholic societies do not believe in abortion?

P.S: Why do you think in the USA such issue is pressingly a hot controversial button topic for many?

However,

I am sure most of you will not find this to be a "con" in the Constitution, but rather a majority of you will find that to be a "Pro" given the known deep held resentments toward Haitians and will make many Dominicans happy that...

This new Constitution will strip the Dominican soil-born children of undocumented Haitian immigrants of their Dominican citizenship. Read this article here http://www.socialism.com/fsarticles/vol30no4/Dominican_Republic.html Also, I feel so sorry for the Gay movement in DR since this new Constitution also redefine in definition, defining specifically the institution of marriage is as the union solemnly and solely "between a man and a woman” thus excluding same-sex relationships in the process all together. Many now believe that such Constitution which will soon be adopted will set the country back decades as also many believe the new constitution is part of a ruling class attack on working people in a desperate attempt to preserve their own status quo in the midst of the biggest world economic crisis since the Great Depression.

So now there you have it, folks. It is illegal now to be gay in DR (lol)? So do we start persecuting the gays now and demand repatriation for them as well? Some already believe that this government or this new Constitution seeks to legitimize racism, sexism and homophobia. Let us discuss this further in depth...

Your opinions,

Will Rosenberg

Hey, why not?.

Hey, why not... what exactly?

Time2Rize,

Go read this article from this link http://www.monthlyreview.org/mrzine/do241009.html and tell me... Are these 80% people of the Dominican Republic's population all delusional for voicing out their voices for an already amended referendum reform of the now or soon to be new Constitution in DR?

There is no need to worry about the Dominican constitution. Doesn't the current one date to 2002? How long can this one possibly last?

You never know, but real good point though (lol)!

It is a well known fact that there are close to ZERO medical facilities to attend the pregnant women of the populace on haitian soil (the few facilities and national medics there catering only to the rich, while the only medical personnel attending the population are the cuban volunteers). So I'm sorry to tell you this, but you won't find me shedding a tear for this denial of the nationality to those children on the part of the dominican state. Mind you, the majority of the pregnant women in haitian soil comes to give birth on our facilities, both in the border and in the capital city, so, if we committed the lunacy of adhering to a strict jus solis interpretation like you suggest, then EVERY single children born of haitian women born on our facilities would be, indeed, dominican, which in turn would serve to accelerate even more (if that is possible) the exodus from the haitian nation to our soil.

Given the fact that Haiti have a bigger birth rate than the DR (4.6 children per family against DR's 2.6), and the fact that the haitian peasant, as a whole, tends to have a larger lifespan on dominican soil than in his/her own country (some social scientist going as far as saying that the only thing that an haitian needs to do to win an extra twenty years of life is to cross the border), it takes no rocket science to ascertain that we, ethnic dominicans, would have soon found ourselves sooner or later being a minority in our own country, which would would be only a stepping stone before being massacred or exiled out of our own land. And before you bring the USA case, let me tell you that I don't give a rat's ass about what the Empire may or may not do with the inmigrants on their soil, cuz' it's their bloody land after all.

Every country have the right and the duty to take the necessary measures to safeguard its sovereignty, and most of all, it's high time that the DR stopped being the escape valve where all the haitian socioeconomic ills are dumped. We don't have the duty nor the obligation to make for them more than we already do, which is a hell lot for a country with limited means as we are without the shadow of a bloody doubt, and the fact that we have a lot of our own citizens that are in a similar or worse plight than the one of those inmigrants. We have to help ourselves first and foremost before thinking about playing Mother Teresa or nation building for others.

Wow, so let me get this straight.

Because there certain facilities or other existing infrastructures that are provided or made available to Haitians in DR that perhaps Haitians may not have in Haiti thus this justifies all and any other ill treatments they receive in the Dominican Republic's society? Yet this same treatment is not directed to all other known illegal immigrants in DR such as the Danishes, Canadians and Germans as well as their sons and daughters of drug lords in DR as long as they are white looking and can buy off the Dominican government and its corrupted officials. It is easier to be said (That you do not give a rat's ass now) by simply knowing the condition is not as such in America. Sure, you can say you do not give a rat's ass given that you are probably not part to the hard working poor mass populace and the disadvantaged.

AS IF YOU KNEW: Indeed I must bring that to the argument whether it pleases you to hear it or not. Again, imagine if America were to say the very same to the known population of Dominican illegal migrants living in America as we speak. I would have loved to see your reaction then, Lautaro.