| #11 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:00 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: Gen: I didnt know that about the Japs and Koreans... do they distinguish between south or north korea? As for the racism, I think are not racists towards Haitians bcs they are colored, its bcs they dominated, tortured and scorched us... kinda sorta unnerstandable , wouldnt you say? No, Gen's right. It's mostly South Koreans going to Japan but I think they think of them as a general "Korean" ethnic group. This happens all over Eastern Asia. |
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| #12 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:03 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: generoso previously said: What happened to your other thread with the two questions? I was posting a response as follows: I agree with Sajonero, Belly and Gringo1, as to if there is racism, so what? Why always trying to gain something from posing as the underdogs? This "gimme me" attitude because you are racist is what is wrong, Dominicans are not racist at all, they might be "classist" but never racist, since mostly all Dominicans are of mixed blood with mulatto or black genes, and we certainly don't look like Aryans. There is a modern form of classism or modern racism all over the world, for example: 1. Japanese consider themselves superior to Koreans, and they regard them as the "blacks" of the orient. 2. Russians consider themselves superior to Georgians, Ukranians and Mongolians. 3. Israelis consider themselves superior to Palestinians and all arabs. 4. Iranians consider themselves superior to Iraquis. 5. Saudi Arabians consider themselves superior to most of their Arab neighbors and all occidentals. 6. In the African continent examples are plentiful as well and too numerous to detail. 7. In Latin America Argentineans consider themselves "the master race", and the beat goes on. 8. Puerto Ricans consider themselves superior to Dominicans, although there was "reverse immigration" during the 1930's and many Puerto Ricans migrated to DR to work for agriculture and the sugar cane mills. 9.and last but not least, Haitians consider themselves superior to Dominican as they claim to be "smarter", speak more foreign languages and work harder than Dominicans, as well as have a stronger sex libido. 10. Dominicans consider themselves "better off" economically than Haitians, but that is where the comparison stops, as poverty bring poor hygiene, illiteracy, poor health and disease. But that doesn't make Dominicans racists but maybe classists to try to defend and maintain their progression in the food scale. IF THIS THREAD GETS EVAPORATED WE MIGHT HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO THE PERSON BEHIND ALL THIS IS, BUT I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HUNCH. Well said over all, Generoso. I noticed what you mean, though I have no hunch myself. |
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| #13 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:13 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: November 2009 Member #: 3911 Posts: 431 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: generoso previously said: There is a modern form of classism or modern racism all over the world, for example: 1. Japanese consider themselves superior to Koreans, and they regard them as the "blacks" of the orient. 2. Russians consider themselves superior to Georgians, Ukranians and Mongolians. 3. Israelis consider themselves superior to Palestinians and all arabs. 4. Iranians consider themselves superior to Iraquis. 5. Saudi Arabians consider themselves superior to most of their Arab neighbors and all occidentals. 6. In the African continent examples are plentiful as well and too numerous to detail. 7. In Latin America Argentineans consider themselves "the master race", and the beat goes on. 8. Puerto Ricans consider themselves superior to Dominicans, although there was "reverse immigration" during the 1930's and many Puerto Ricans migrated to DR to work for agriculture and the sugar cane mills. 9.and last but not least, Haitians consider themselves superior to Dominican as they claim to be "smarter", speak more foreign languages and work harder than Dominicans, as well as have a stronger sex libido. 10. Dominicans consider themselves "better off" economically than Haitians, but that is where the comparison stops, as poverty bring poor hygiene, illiteracy, poor health and disease. But that doesn't make Dominicans racists but maybe classists to try to defend and maintain their progression in the food scale. So for all the reasons namely above here there is this one question Are they right for it? In my post, I named all the ills which have caused great conflicts on the Island, especially in the known issues both DR & Haiti face. |
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| #14 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:21 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: I find it funny, how in DR as is with many Dominicans like to evade, or elude and deviate from the known fact that racism does exist in DR (much like in many places around the world, sure granted). It is weird that the minute somebody tries to address the issue of racism in DR, they are crazy for it or many Dominicans start crying wolves. Yet, many of those same Dominicans cannot affirmatively answer this basic question:
However, there is not much need to mention the "world" in that case since we are not trying to discuss "World Racism" in this argument, but rather "Dominican Racism" as this is an issue being addressed by creeds from that region. The inhabitants of the island thus in this case, the island of Hispaniola. Dominicans are not 'evasive' or any of the other behaviours you mention regarding the question of racism. It's just that for some reason, non-Dominicans in general, and Haitians/Afrocentric types in particular seem obsessed with that question and don't like the answers most Dominicans give. They're looking for signs of racism in a place where racism was never big, and since there's so many real life factual examples that proves it, these obsessed type then go into all sorts of trivial pursuits, looking for any superficial minutae they can attribute to racism. By the way, you will also notice that when it comes time to 'measure' Dominican racism, they use a very special measuring tape made just for us. Something like 'compared to heaven on earth, Dominicans are very racist' or 'compared to the perfect utopian society, Domincans are very racist' I've read some people make an observation along these lines: "I saw one Dominican show, and they only had 2 dark skinned people, 1 medium skinned person, and 10 light skin people. This does not reflect their ethnic breakdown, this is a sign of deep seated racism' Meanwhile they have a very hypocritical double standard with their own group or those they considered 'part of the black family'. |
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| #15 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:25 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: ElNazareno previously said: Most Dominicans are Black, leave the mountains sometime. Maybe 6 or so provinces look like Puerto Rico or Venezuela, but the rest of the country looks like Jamaica (which also has Mulattos) Hmmn. Let's see: 1) Recent join date 2) Quoting a post and then making a comment that had nothing to do with it 3) Racial obsession |
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| #16 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:30 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: Gen: I didnt know that about the Japs and Koreans... do they distinguish between south or north korea? As for the racism, I think are not racists towards Haitians bcs they are colored, its bcs they dominated, tortured and scorched us... kinda sorta unnerstandable , wouldnt you say? No, Gen's right. It's mostly South Koreans going to Japan but I think they think of them as a general "Korean" ethnic group. This happens all over Eastern Asia. A few years back there was an uproar about the way some Japanese author portrayed Koreans. Also, the SouthEast Asians are looked down upon, Cambodians Laotians are considered very lowly (according to some Vietnamese I knew who also saw them as 'dog like'). Dark skinned East Indians are considered very ugly in Thailand, and so on and so on. |
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| #17 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:30 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: AfroLatino1 previously said: Quote: yumnuk3 previously said: AfroLatino, Dont forget to take your medications, and if you have medications that are particularly time sensitive, try purchasing pill bottles with alarms. Sure, I suppose you need to take your medication as well for denials (lol). To ignore and deny that the ills from this formula above are not in great part responsible for the dynamics of the island today is fallacy in your state of mind. I find it funny, how in DR as is with many Dominicans like to evade, or elude and deviate from the known fact that racism does exist in DR (much like in many places around the world, sure granted). It is weird that the minute somebody tries to address the issue of racism in DR, they are crazy for it or many Dominicans start crying wolves. Yet, many of those same Dominicans cannot affirmatively answer this basic question:
However, there is not much need to mention the "world" in that case since we are not trying to discuss "World Racism" in this argument, but rather "Dominican Racism" as this is an issue being addressed by creeds from that region. The inhabitants of the island thus in this case, the island of Hispaniola. The greatest struggle for every human being on the planet is to acquire and maintain balance...not to the left, not to the right but balanced, and you have absolutely no balance, none of it in regards to this particular issue.....There is a difference between claiming there is 'racism' in the world vs. proclaiming there is racism directed at Haitians only, and your statement about Dominicans being the most racist country on this planet is hardly accurate. In fact, it is probably one of the least racist countries as evidenced by the people who seek to immigrate and visit here. Not saying that there is not plenty of room for improvement, and there are certainly "pockets" of racism in DR. I'm not shooting the messenger, I'm just questioning your qualification to bring the particular message. |
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| #18 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:32 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: ElNazareno previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: ElNazareno previously said: Most Dominicans are Black, leave the mountains sometime. Maybe 6 or so provinces look like Puerto Rico or Venezuela, but the rest of the country looks like Jamaica (which also has Mulattos) Hmmn. Let's see: 1) Recent join date 2) Quoting a post and then making a comment that had nothing to do with it 3) Racial obsession Chilindrina. Anyway, sure, the average Dominican isn't purple skinned with a humongous wide nose looking like they're straight from Africa but most are brown/yellow skinned, nappy headed and negroid like average African Americans. Basing the DR on 6 provinces that have puny populations is ridiculous. I doubt any of you have ever been to a Dominican neighborhood or even left your shack in the mountains of El Cibao. Sorry about Cotto losing. |
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| #19 - Posted 16 November 2009, 8:34 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? Quote: ElNazareno previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: ElNazareno previously said: Most Dominicans are Black, leave the mountains sometime. Maybe 6 or so provinces look like Puerto Rico or Venezuela, but the rest of the country looks like Jamaica (which also has Mulattos) Hmmn. Let's see: 1) Recent join date 2) Quoting a post and then making a comment that had nothing to do with it 3) Racial obsession I doubt any of you have ever been to a Dominican neighborhood or even left your shack in the mountains of El Cibao. Why bother, it's perfect up there. |
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| #20 - Posted 16 November 2009, 9:00 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: Unfortunate Formula: Do We Still Need "It" In Hispaniola? . Edited on 11/17/2009 12:36 AM by generoso. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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