| #21 - Posted 20 November 2009, 11:33 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5683 | RE: Pedro Santana Thanks for the post vacanos... "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #22 - Posted 20 November 2009, 11:59 AM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3528 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Thanks for the post vacanos... And thank you to start this excellent thread. MIENTRAS NO SE ESCARMIENTE A LOS TRAIDORES COMO SE DEBE, LOS BUENOS Y VERDADEROS DOMINICANOS SERAN SIEMPRE VICTIMAS DE SUS MAQUINACIONES JUAN PABLO DUARTE |
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| #23 - Posted 20 November 2009, 12:03 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5683 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: vacanos previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Thanks for the post vacanos... And thank you to start this excellent thread. I actually printed out the article you posted and I'm reading it now...interesante. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #24 - Posted 20 November 2009, 12:15 PM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3528 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: vacanos previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Thanks for the post vacanos... And thank you to start this excellent thread. I actually printed out the article you posted and I'm reading it now...interesante. One of the most important piece of information by a historian I seen regarding how the history of our country evolving from the Duartista pre-27 feb 1844 to the course of our country after. I found it on historiadominicana.com. The best educative website I seen regarding our country's history. Edited on 11/20/2009 12:17 PM by vacanos. MIENTRAS NO SE ESCARMIENTE A LOS TRAIDORES COMO SE DEBE, LOS BUENOS Y VERDADEROS DOMINICANOS SERAN SIEMPRE VICTIMAS DE SUS MAQUINACIONES JUAN PABLO DUARTE |
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| #25 - Posted 20 November 2009, 1:42 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 1237 | RE: Pedro Santana How reliable is the source?? I've read the first three parts and have some problems with the development as he states it.... would like to have a fact check on it before i keep reading,,,, also it seems very biased and anitduarte, |
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| #26 - Posted 20 November 2009, 2:34 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5683 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: How reliable is the source?? I've read the first three parts and have some problems with the development as he states it.... would like to have a fact check on it before i keep reading,,,, also it seems very biased and anitduarte, I wouldn't call it bias but definitely anti-Duarte...the author of said article directs the reader to the precise locations from where he got his information. Sometimes the truth can come across as biased when one has spent a whole life time hearing falsehoods. The smoking gun in the whole thing is the document signed by Duarte adhering to a protectorate under France. It's something I've never come across and which many Dominican historians have obviosuly gone through great pains to obscure. In any event it seems that Santana's pro-protectorate stance was common among ALL groups that were vying for independence. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #27 - Posted 20 November 2009, 2:39 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: How reliable is the source?? I've read the first three parts and have some problems with the development as he states it.... would like to have a fact check on it before i keep reading,,,, also it seems very biased and anitduarte, I wouldn't call it bias but definitely anti-Duarte...the author of said article directs the reader to the precise locations from where he got his information. Sometimes the truth can come across as biased when one has spent a whole life time hearing falsehoods. The smoking gun in the whole thing is the document signed by Duarte adhering to a protectorate under France. It's something I've never come across and which many Dominican historians have obviosuly gone through great pains to obscure. In any event it seems that Santana's pro-protectorate stance was common among ALL groups that were vying for independence. At the very least, we have to thank the author of those lines for looking proof to back his assertions, unlike the crap that Tania Mirabal came up with a couple of years ago, portraying Duarte as the creator of the KKK and other antidominican BS (like attacking the white cross of our banner). "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #28 - Posted 20 November 2009, 3:01 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5683 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: How reliable is the source?? I've read the first three parts and have some problems with the development as he states it.... would like to have a fact check on it before i keep reading,,,, also it seems very biased and anitduarte, I wouldn't call it bias but definitely anti-Duarte...the author of said article directs the reader to the precise locations from where he got his information. Sometimes the truth can come across as biased when one has spent a whole life time hearing falsehoods. The smoking gun in the whole thing is the document signed by Duarte adhering to a protectorate under France. It's something I've never come across and which many Dominican historians have obviosuly gone through great pains to obscure. In any event it seems that Santana's pro-protectorate stance was common among ALL groups that were vying for independence. At the very least, we have to thank the author of those lines for looking proof to back his assertions, unlike the crap that Tania Mirabal came up with a couple of years ago, portraying Duarte as the creator of the KKK and other antidominican BS (like attacking the white cross of our banner). The last paragraph in the article provided by vacanos voices a creed similiar to my own..some may not like the past but we have to be honest and truthful about it. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #29 - Posted 20 November 2009, 4:04 PM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3528 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: How reliable is the source?? I've read the first three parts and have some problems with the development as he states it.... would like to have a fact check on it before i keep reading,,,, also it seems very biased and anitduarte, I think I can match anybody here with my passion in favor of Los Trinitarios yet at the same time I consider myself a realist. We cannot just throw away as the author stated every piece of information we don't see fit in our thinking. What I understand from the author is the notion that people tend to bring all the virtue of Duarte and none of his fault. Yet with Santana they see his entire fault and none of his virtue. Before he brought the document signed by Duarte on the protection by France he detailed Duarte and Santana lives shaping our country during the 16 and most difficult year of our nation. Glim my back I should have provided anyway here it is the email is at the bottom 1) “La República Dominicana y Haití: La Historia Secuestrada, 1811-1963”, Tomo 1 (en Prensa,) 800 págs. 2) Separata: ¿Es Juan Pablo Duarte el padre de la Patria?, Periódico Hoy, Suplemento Areito, Sábado 23 de agosto de 2008; 3) Wikipedia Dominicana, Portal Internet, Voz : ¿Es Juan Pablo Duarte el Padre de la Patria?; 4)portal agn.gov.do.com ¿Es Juan Pablo Duarte el Padre de la Patria? bbatista-del-villar @ hot mail.do Edited on 11/20/2009 4:04 PM by vacanos. MIENTRAS NO SE ESCARMIENTE A LOS TRAIDORES COMO SE DEBE, LOS BUENOS Y VERDADEROS DOMINICANOS SERAN SIEMPRE VICTIMAS DE SUS MAQUINACIONES JUAN PABLO DUARTE |
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| #30 - Posted 21 November 2009, 10:53 AM | |
Location: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 3528 | RE: Pedro Santana For anybody interested to see Pedro Santana's will after he died. El Testamento del General Pedro Santana En General Pedro Santana, quien fue varias veces Presidente de la República, y es considerado a la vez como héroe, traidor a la patria y tirano, nació en 1801 en Hincha, punto fronterizo que ahora pertenece a la República de Haití, y murió en Santo Domingo en 1864. Tuvo la gloria de ser un libertador en la gesta independentista de 1844, la figura más importante en la dirección de la guerra antihaitiana; pero empujado por su ambición política, ese hecho se oscureció al convertirse él en el principal responsable de la persecución y asesinato de jóvenes trinitarios, al declarar a Juan Pablo Duarte, Ramón Matías Mella y Francisco del Rosario Sánchez como traidores a la patria, y luego en un largo rosario de crímenes asesinó a María Trinidad Sánchez, José Joaquín y Gavino Puello, José Contrera, Antonio Duvergé y Francisco del Rosario Sánchez, este último en 1861. Junto al patricio fueron asesinados veintiún dominicanos que protestaban contra la anexión a España y la pérdida de la soberanía. El fusilamiento del grupo se produjo en San Juan de la Maguana. Analfabeto y enemigo del desarrollo social y cultural, el General Pedro Santana se identificó permanentemente con los intereses antinacionales, siendo su más bochornoso hecho político el de haber aniquilado la República Dominicana, convirtiéndonos nuevamente en una colonia de España en 1861. De 1861 a 1864 le sirvió a la España imperial como Capitán General y Gobernador civil del Santo Domingo y aunque condecorado con la Gran Cruz de la Real Orden Americana de Doña Isabel la Católica, perdió su condición de Capitán General y fue obligado por sus protectores a entregar el mando, acusado por ellos de insubordinación en el momento en que su salud indicaba que ya estaba cerca de la muerte. Seis días después, el 14 de junio de 1864, falleció en su residencia de la hoy calle Hostos esquina calle Luperón. Se ha hablado de su fortuna y de las propiedades dejadas a sus familiares en herencia. Como forma de dar a conocer una faceta poco conocida de este contradictorio político y hombre de armas, y de aclarar condición económica cercana ya su muerte, publicamos su testamento, firmado el 13 de marzo de 1862: El testamento del General Pedro Santana En la Ciudad de Santo Domingo, a 13 de Marzo de 1862, siendo las cinco de la tarde. Nos José María Pérez, Escribano público nombrado y juramentado para la provincia Santo Domingo, en esta Ciudad, requerido al efecto y asistido del competente número de testigos, me trasladé a la morada del Excelentísimo Señor Capitán General Gobernador Civil de esta isla, condecorado con la Gran de la Real Orden Americana de Doña Isabel la Católica, Don Pedro Santana a quien encontramos en pie y sana salud y por tanto en el libre ejercicio de sus facultades intelectuales, de que yo el Escribano doy fe y aseguran los testigos; y deseando arreglar sus negocios temporales por palabras claras y expresadas de su última voluntad, por medio de testamento o como más haya lugar en derecho dictas sus disposiciones en el orden siguiente: Edited on 11/21/2009 11:00 AM by vacanos. MIENTRAS NO SE ESCARMIENTE A LOS TRAIDORES COMO SE DEBE, LOS BUENOS Y VERDADEROS DOMINICANOS SERAN SIEMPRE VICTIMAS DE SUS MAQUINACIONES JUAN PABLO DUARTE |
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