Cibaeno I apologise to you and others that dont fit that stereotype in the diaspora I am referring to the idiots on here which I hope you can grind your teeth and let me put them in there place. It is not about the dominican people but a few idiots that happen to be dominican. Now like NY4life has mentioned we are going in circles but it appears the dominican in the diaspora blame haitians for the defaming of DR. Well it is obvious not all haitians agree with this enslavement propaganda. Havent you guys been reading me here or is it selective reading. The nerve of France and USA to have the audacity to talk about enslavement when they especially france have not the nerves when they stil haven't sincerely paid hommage nor have done anything to change what the horrors they've committed. INstead this should bring us closer to walk the frontier hand in hand to show the outside world we can resolve our issues on our own terms..but now we are showing them we are still third world plantain eating idiots that doesn't know how to reconcile..

It's ironic how dominicans talk about haitains killing the frenchmen while some never think of the savagery of the frenchmen towards their slaves and let's not get how many here have kept the spaniards pepino in their mouth and dont want to come up for air to see that everyone is laughing. This issue goes beyond race but it is obvious that race plays a role too but we know that lets talk about things we dont know.

So many comments and good debates as NY4life has said relations in 2008 has improved but some prefer to delve SOLELY on the negative never to mention the postive. Tell you the truth dominicans and haitians are all talk compared to other neighbours who have done far worse to each other and have managed to reconcile. The DR/HT thing is something to keep the poor not drowning in there own misery while the elite of both class get bigger mansions and yipetas and more trips abroad.

As far as haitians becoming dominicanise we dont even have to go back just look at the immigrants that have been there for years since a young age..and I won't even mention those born on DR soil and never have been to haiti..They look at you guys as foreignors(dom yorks) and no matter how hard core dominican you guys maybe these guys are more dominican in the sense of culture and breathing it 24/7 unless you guys never get out of the dominican enclaves. I guess you guys are upset some prieto is giving you guys competition on the girls and your only way of trying to get some leverage is to call them haitian..lol.. And you know damn well if you call a prieto dominicano a haitian someone will be going to the airport with a broken jaw and dominican proudness in there pocket for disrespecting a dominican from island

Learning from the past is one thing, but using it to cloud your perception is another

Just to add a little to your post Jaboa, the French were still enslaving people in the 1920's.

James1804, Said
Learning from the past is one thing, but using it to cloud your perception is another

Mr. 1804 I post facts with evidence and you still dont believe! this is the problem with people, you give them facts they run around in circles denying reality.

Your just too embarassed to admit a Haitian proved you wrong. I can imagine what would happen if the people in your slums heard about this.

"They look at you guys as foreignors(dom yorks) and no matter how hard core dominican you guys maybe these guys are more dominican in the sense of culture and breathing it 24/7 unless you guys never get out of the dominican enclaves."

The dispora stays true to it's Dominican roots. It doesn't matter where you live, you are Dominican, and grow up in a Dominican household. The MAJORITY of us know Spanish, eat and breath the Dominican culture, music, foods, language, etc. that has been passed on through our parents while having the benefit of growing up in a place with more opportunity. It's the best of both worlds.

"I guess you guys are upset some prieto is giving you guys competition on the girls and your only way of trying to get some leverage is to call them haitian..lol.. And you know damn well if you call a prieto dominicano a haitian someone will be going to the airport with a broken jaw and dominican proudness in there pocket for disrespecting a dominican from island"

Honeslty Jabao, you make no sense right now. Would you want me to call you Dominican?? I don't get your point.. You kinda got offline with this post bro.

James1804, Said
Your just too embarassed to admit a Haitian proved you wrong. I can imagine what would happen if the people in your slums heard about this.

You havent proved me wrong in anything, you just dont accept your country's shortcomings. When people in forums all over the internet, even on you tube threads if you go to any Dominican video haitians come along and disparage dominicans in the worst ways and it's always the same B.S. TRUJILLO, RACISM, SPANIARDS, WE LIBERATED YOU????? LOL. and other nonsense i have come to the conclusion that it angers you and your people that we never wanted to be part of Haiti or invade you. Why should we, you never see dominicans going to haitian forums or you tube video's disparaging haitians, is it that you have an invasionist spirit. The hell with it bring it on, try some funny s**t maybe their will be a war someday! The way that i see it Haiti wants to march in D.R. because your country is such a mess!

So you're aware that Trujillos massacre is relatively well known and often quoted in anti-DR rhetoric, but my point is that you never read/hear any mention oft Haiti's massacre on DR soil.

Read the rest of what I wrote:
I don't know of anyone ever (that isn't versed in DR history) know anything about the massacres by Haitian invasions.
The common stereotypical perception is that DR just woke up one day and started hating Haitians.

I am glad that you have the opportunity to retain your dominican identity while enjoying the luxury of opportunities in a 1st world country. Now it is a crime for a dominican of haitian descent to keep his culture and identity and would be considered haitianizing the DR. I guess the americans are happy that they walk to a neighbourhood and nothing but spanish music blasting and when calling public service have to wait for operator to say 1 for english dos por el espanol. I mean NY4life you just don't know how good you guys got it and some choose to want to deprive other immigrants in your country the same opportunities. Try visiting spain to see if dominicans get to live that identity you have the luxury to live.

This isn't about nothing to do with your dominicanness but these haitians of dominican descent are as dominican or more because they live the dominican experience everyday and some are turned around for some odd reason at JCE. That's ashame that these dominicans are stateless..that's my issue with this..which I hope you agree..look at the young baseball player...what's ur outlook on that?

Regarding to my last paragraph it is all in humour to break the ice. You guys need some humour in yourlife..take this thing too seriously..if i did i would be very upset and bitter.. even my experience when i meet dominican yorks is funny. We start in spanish and they are like what part of DR your from..I say el otro lado de la isla and they are baffled..and some say puerto rican..im like no..puerto rico no esta en la misma isla..lol...and when i get tired of them naming cuba and venezuela..i tell them soy haitiano..the first thing is damn you speak spanish good..wow..usually they are wow..i've never got into why u are invading my country or other non sense..i dont know but my outlook of dominican yorks isn't good..it never was from dominicans on the island but now reading this forum it confirms the negative stereotypes although all aren't in this category..thank god..

I think dominicans hold a grudge more so than we haitians though..what's up with that..

USADR, SAID

So you're aware that Trujillos massacre is relatively well known and often quoted in anti-DR rhetoric, but my point is that you never read/hear any mention oft Haiti's massacre on DR soil.

Read the rest of what I wrote:
I don't know of anyone ever (that isn't versed in DR history) know anything about the massacres by Haitian invasions.
The common stereotypical perception is that DR just woke up one day and started hating Haitians.

Not only that the haitians invaded us in 1801, 1805, ocuppied us from 1822-1844 and on top of that, attempted to invade us numerous times. None of these invasions were good all of them had some type of massacre involved, but yet dominicans are always the villains. And its tiresome to hear only one side of history and not everything. Trujillo just did what Boyer started. Boyer tried turning our country into Haiti. Trujillo in turn brought European immigrants, which originally the Dominican Republic had a higher ratio of whites then blacks in colonial days. Dessalines and Christophe in 1805 roamed all the Cibao burning down towns and villages and killing the white inhabitants of the region. Trujillo in turn massacred haitians all along the border towns, so hey you could quote Trujillo all you want. But you guys have done worst then us. Remember that!, also as ive said and will say it again people might forget but goverments never do!!!!!