| #361 - Posted 14 August 2008, 2:25 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 884 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "So in your opinion, there is approx. 1 million illegal Haitians in DR?" That's the standard number cited. Historically, certain business/commerical entities of DR have profited & benefited from cheap illegal Haitian immigration. But based on a prior post, do I take it that you feel this is not one of DR's top problems? Or that DR's government plays some sort of game where they make it seem like they care, but in reality still encourage it due to the money they are making on it? How serious are they really taking this, because it doesn't seem to be getting better. It don't think it's too different from the USA's problems. They were okay with it until a certain point. In Passaic, NJ I've seen Hospitals shut down due to the amount of illegals with no insurance being attended and schools being overcrowed whereupon they've had to build new ones, even using trailers as temp. classrooms. I cannot help to think that a poor 3rd. world country like DR can effectively handle this. |
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| #362 - Posted 14 August 2008, 2:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 884 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: ny4life previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "So in your opinion, there is approx. 1 million illegal Haitians in DR?" That's the standard number cited. 1 million and counting. Eso tigeres crucan todos los dias. Eso me da tristeza/depression y un coraje. Q se puede aser? |
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| #363 - Posted 14 August 2008, 3:04 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1104 Posts: 659 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" NY4LIFE, SAID 1 million and counting. Eso tigeres crucan todos los dias. USADR, SAID Eso me da tristeza/depression y un coraje. Q se puede aser? That's the problem USADR people feel that the neighbor should be the recipient of such a mass migration of illegals, that if we are frank it represents a large problem because of the void that it creates of people overpopulating one side of the island. While the other side vegetates and assumes that emigration is the solution to their problem, while the Dominican Republic tries hard to create a better standard of living for it's citizens. But meanwhile the poverty problem multiply's itself and creates a vicious circle. But the brainless will never understand! all country's have a responsibility to control the amounts of people that enter their respective land space. You are the light of truth ARKATYPE |
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| #364 - Posted 14 August 2008, 3:20 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" USADR, With this million there are those that came here legal during the governmental contracts and those born here to parents that are "undocumented". Isn't what it's called in the USA. The logic thing is that DR must deport illegals because it just can sustain all of them despite that they are bringing money to the economy but it also puts a strain and people that live in disparaging neighbourhoods usually have children that become delincuents..look at the dominican gangs in the USA for example and how they are notorious. So far we haven't heard of haitian gangs in the DR. Actually do you guys know that dominican and haitians alike that have been there a long time scheme on recent arrival haitians to rob them or exploit them. Again both governments need to work this migration issue out. Just like USA need to deport its illegals..11 million illegals..that's more people than the DR or Haitian population..And yes I feel it when visiting immigrant areas where it feels very third worldish..so it is a strain.. Now the question is where do we start..and Lautaro yes sir... |
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| #365 - Posted 14 August 2008, 3:39 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4294 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: USADR, With this million there are those that came here legal during the governmental contracts and those born here to parents that are "undocumented". Isn't what it's called in the USA. Well, that might have been the norm on preceding years, jabao. But, from what I have observed (and several of my friends working at the PNUD have told me) entire families have been migrating to the DR, at least since 2004 onwards. This can be proven by the fact that the haitian inmigrant population currently living on the DR is no longer predominantly male, as it was the case decades ago. Which makes sense, if one consider that, although things have stabilized, socioeconomic conditions on that country are still a far cry from their pre-coup state (and the same could be said about the DR as well, which hasn't yet attained the conditions that were the norm before the 2003 banking crisis). Heck, now that I look at it, both nations were royally screwed during the period 2003-2004. Edited on 8/14/2008 3:49 PM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #366 - Posted 14 August 2008, 6:30 PM | |
Location: United States, Spring Valley, NY Join date: December 2007 Member #: 142 Posts: 433 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Lautaro, are trying to say that things were better off for Haiti before 2003? If that is the case then I have to disagree. France and the US cut all aid to the country, the Haitian "Gourde" lost over half it's value and the country was being run by one of the dumbest idiot in our history. Despite the unsual rise in kidnapping in the capital, I think that Haiti is in a good position. Roads are being built, legislation are being passed. In due time I think this country will come out it's slumber.....(If this was not what you were alluding to, please disregard this) j'ai vu J'ai participe Je me souvien - 1804 |
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| #367 - Posted 14 August 2008, 9:56 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4294 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: jemesouviens1804 previously said: Lautaro, are trying to say that things were better off for Haiti before 2003? If that is the case then I have to disagree. France and the US cut all aid to the country, the Haitian "Gourde" lost over half it's value and the country was being run by one of the dumbest idiot in our history. Despite the unsual rise in kidnapping in the capital, I think that Haiti is in a good position. Roads are being built, legislation are being passed. In due time I think this country will come out it's slumber.....(If this was not what you were alluding to, please disregard this) Well, souviens, my haitian panas at college might disagree with you, cuz´every time that I discuss haitian politics with them, everyone almost to a man say that things were better before the coup. Plus, everyone of them belong to the middle class, and tey weren´t known for being precisely Aristide´s best buddies. Edited on 8/14/2008 9:58 PM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #368 - Posted 14 August 2008, 10:07 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1199 Posts: 3 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" You are well intentioned but a dreamer. France is a nation that still has colonies and the money stolen from Haiti is only a small fraction of what the french "republic" stole from all Europe from 1972 to 1870. They filled the Louvre museum with stolen property and Joseh, Napoleon brother left Madrid with 12 miles of carriages with stoien property from museums, palaces , churches etc. They will never even acknowledge that they owe it |
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| #369 - Posted 20 October 2009, 9:14 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3835 Posts: 1 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" "In the late 1820's, more than 15 years after Haiti gained its Independence, France extorted to what amounts to more than 21 billion dollars from Haiti. France did this by blockading Haiti with dozen of naval vessel holding more than 20,000 troops. It demanded that Haiti pay them an indemnity for its lost properties (slaves). " Before you start making demands you really should get your facts straight. The monies that Haiti paid to France were not for slaves or other (personal) properties, or even crops. Personal property was specifically excluded from these claims. The monies that Haiti agreed to pay to France were to repay 1/10th of the value of the estates which were lost by the French plantation owners who lost their plantations during the slave revolts. I have studied this for many years and even have several of the claims (most of which were not paid even the 1/10th allowed because Haiti went bankrupt). These plantation owners were forced to leave their homes, most of whom were born in St Dominique, and flee, destitute to other countries. |
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| #370 - Posted 20 October 2009, 9:56 PM | |
Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: June 2009 Member #: 3003 Posts: 406 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: kjdib previously said: "In the late 1820's, more than 15 years after Haiti gained its Independence, France extorted to what amounts to more than 21 billion dollars from Haiti. France did this by blockading Haiti with dozen of naval vessel holding more than 20,000 troops. It demanded that Haiti pay them an indemnity for its lost properties (slaves). " Before you start making demands you really should get your facts straight. The monies that Haiti paid to France were not for slaves or other (personal) properties, or even crops. Personal property was specifically excluded from these claims. The monies that Haiti agreed to pay to France were to repay 1/10th of the value of the estates which were lost by the French plantation owners who lost their plantations during the slave revolts. I have studied this for many years and even have several of the claims (most of which were not paid even the 1/10th allowed because Haiti went bankrupt). These plantation owners were forced to leave their homes, most of whom were born in St Dominique, and flee, destitute to other countries. So what ? TN1804 |
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