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| #411 - Posted 23 October 2009, 3:42 PM | |
 Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: June 2009 Member #: 3003 Posts: 449  | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Henry had more balls than Boyer. he would had burn the entire state of Haiti than pay the debt. If he had lived today I think we would had said he's communist. In is reign, the Northen Kingdom was still rich than the Southen Republic ( the Actual Haiti). Read this [QUOTE]He preferred trading with English merchants and American merchants than both French and Spanish merchants which did not recognize Haiti as independent country, he ordered that extra Africans be brought to Haiti to work on his vast projects instead of being traded to other Caribbean countries where they would be held as slaves. As a result, numerous Africans who were originally brought by the French as slaves came to Haiti. He made an agreement with Britain that Haiti would not be threat to their Caribbean colonies in return that the British Navy would warn the Kingdom of Haiti of any imminent attack from French troops, in 1807 the British Parliament passed the Slave Trade of 1807 which did not outlaw slavery, but abolishing the importation of African slaves in British territory, because of this increased bilateral trade, he had gathered an enormous sum of British pounds for his treasury. By contrast, Petion's Southern Haiti became much poorer because the land-share destroyed agricultural productivity.[[/QUOTE] He was smart and I dont think he would had invaded the Dominican Republic. His first goal was education. Viv Christophe ! TN1804 |
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| #412 - Posted 23 October 2009, 7:03 PM | |
 Location: United States Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3853 Posts: 5 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" USADR Good post from pepe32 and generoso (good to see you post). Can someone please give me their opinion on the following matter: 1. The schism between people of Afrodescendancy (blacks & mulattos) and Eurodescendants (whites) ran a thousand times deeper in Haiti than in DR. 2. There were wars/massacres that had racial overtones in Haiti, but not in DR. 3. The very foundations of Haiti have racial overtones (Dessalines), but the DR is based upon nationalism. Duarte was a true patriot, a man ahead of his time who knew and understood that we Dominicans are a diverse group of mixed heritage but one culture. He had no venom against Haiti despite the occupation. 4. Why does DR only have the last remnants of African American descendants in Samana who came over during Boyer, where is Haiti's? 5. To this day there are denigrating insulting terms in Haiti for people who are very dark skinned with stereotypical West African features. So why so much racial obsession with DR? I stand by my opinion based on alot of cultural and historical facts that we are one of the most progressive countries regarding race relations. Whats with the double standard? By the way, I've spoken to Jamaicans and Brazilians who are versed in our history and they too agree on my conclusion. EV... Everything you stated is factual unfortunately most people see Dominicans as the culprits, since the international community has done a good job in the PR front. But i agree with you're statement as a whole. |
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| #413 - Posted 23 October 2009, 10:03 PM | |
 Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Incognito previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Incognito ,keeping a couple is irrelevant and I don't question why they were killed (I wrote that earlier) but the basic premise still holds that the people who were all of a sudden "free" did not know what to do with that freedom and they were not equipped to handle a nation . DR with all its problems always had a small group of people equipped to govern ,we did not have to start from scratch because we started with people who knew the business of governance while the people who were running Haiti did not have a clue ,they were limited to imitating European royalty (King ,Emperor) and the nation had serious race relations problems between the African majority and the mixed blood minority . All these factors and pissing off a world power like France did not help Haiti at all but instead of living in the past Haitians should construct Haiti from scratch (2nd Republic) discarding all the negative and doing things differently because even if all that fantasy history were true ,it does not feed or educate. In this case I would agree on a " 2nd Republic of Haiti". The problem seriously, If Christophe had took p-a-p after Petion Dearth, all history would had change. Cap haitien was burned during the war (war strategy Russia did the same),It was a brand new city made by King henry.. today .. No debt of independance,more schools. This coward of Boyer close the schools made by Christophe to create Military base. Christophe had a vision for Haiti but saddly... Ti Neg: Sa va? Henri Christophe was affected by syphilis that had infected his brain and was a terminal case before he committed suicide, by a silver bullet (maybe he thought of himself as evil and needed a silver bullet) . This disease was transmitted by the white French whores that he preferred to have around his court. He built the "Citadelle" the most impregnable old fortress that I have visited (yes) for those days with many cannons, at a great human cost (some historians say that over 10,000 Haitians died during the construction), some say more, but with 0 military value. Why? because the French generals decided that it did not have a military value since it was a remote location on top of a mountain, and the best thing to do was just ignore it and occupy all the territory around and close to it, as they did. Henri declared himself emperor and dressed European style, but he was not very political and had primal concepts of how a government should function, and was doomed for failure. In other words he had reach the "Peter principle" where some rise in the hierarchy to their level of incompetence. Like I said before, Toussaint was the natural leader for Haiti and the French never forgave him for rising against them, and shot themselves in the foot when they imprisoned and killed him, because of their imperialistic and intolerant doctrines. I don't think that's a fair assesment of Christophe's rule. Keep in mind that the state functioned under him and he was indeed able to leave a surplus in the state treasury upon his deasth, a considerable sum at that (not to mention several buildings he commisioned that included the citadelle and the Sans souci palace). I think Lautaro can expand on Christophe's rule a little more if he's out there. Also, the French never had to deal with the citadelle as it was built after the last french troops left what became Haitian soil. Henri who came from the english possession of St.Kitts was not xenophobic against whites, since he was partial to the British, but was a vane, egocentric tyrant, and in his feudal codes and disciplinary actions became repressive, and ruled with utmost cruelty. He had no revolutionary ideals and even conferred nobility "titles" to the jesters and sycophants of his Haitian court. To build the Haitian "La Citadelle" at cost of the lives of between 10,000 and 20,000 "freed" slaves is no accomplishment in my book, and the plush "Sans Souci" palace in a poor country like Haiti is just a monument to his insatiable vanity, and his spendthrift ways of dispensing public moneys.  You're laboring under the assumption that Haiti was always as poor as she is today. Not so. Even during Henri's time their were still vestiges of the immense wealth that Haiti once possessed. Keep in mind that up until the begiining of the Haitian revolutiion Haiti alone accounted for 2/3rds of France's revenue, France then being the richest European country, and produced greater wealth than all the thirteen original colonies that would become the US COMBINED. That Henri was indeed cruel is undisputable but cruelty and mismanagement do not necessarily go hand in hand. He ran a very effecient state, as did Trujillo who was just as cruel and vain. I've stated before that an interesting thesis can be written comparing the regimes of Henri and Trujillo. There are many parrallels. No assumption at all, Haiti was still wealthy enough to acquire great quantities of weapons and powder for their armies, and the best equipment for their soldiers. So much as a matter of fact they could could help fellow revolutionaries in South America. But there are two kinds of government spending or "investing", one is investing in the country's infrastructure, more wealth is generated with investments in agriculture, building roads, dams, reservoirs, irrigation channels and the other "investments" are just for vanity and show like the Sans Souci palace, and more recently in our case the Faro a Colón or Columbus lighthouse, by Balaguer, the Pan American games facilities, by Hipoloco Mejia and some say the "metro" to nowhere, by the PLD comesolos. Interesting parallel with Henri and Trujillo, they were very similar, except that Trujillo was a bigot and hated blacks and everything black and Henri did not dislike whites (as long as they were English) and was not xenophobic. But the point that ciby is trying to make (and something that I agree wholeheartedly) is that, of the two regimes existing on the haitian territory at that time, Christophe's monarchy was more efficient than Petion's republic, on the economic, and yes, social point of view, cuz' even though Christophe can be accused of being cruel, it's no less the truth that he sought for the citizens of his kingdom to be thoroughly educated and disciplined. Heck, he even tried to establish english as the official language of the country. Had his plans being successful, Haiti would be the Caribbean powerhouse out there, and this is an undeniable fact. All the countries of Europe passed through an authoritarian period in their national lives (even the United Provinces of the Netherlands, the most democratic of them all at that time) before experiencing the joys of democracy, and I think that Haiti would have been inmensely better off if the monarchic despotism of the north would have been the one to win the match, because, notwithstanding the level of freedom existing in the southern republic, this freedom was established at the expense of economic efficiency, the result of which can be seen right now. If you people are not aware of this, it would be the leaders of the southern republic (Petion and Boyer) the ones that would accept paying France the ransom money which bankupted the country in the end. As a contrast, Christophe left at the time of his death a surplus of 3 million british pounds on the domestic treasury, quite a fortune for the time, but which would end up being eaten up on Boyer's first payments on the cursed "debt". Democracy may be the best system out there, but it's totally worthless to have it if the survival of this system on a given country is built on the basis of national weakness and anarchy, the perfect setting for a country to be attacked by the double hydra of domestic treason and foreign hatred, which if you cared to observe, have been the curses that have plagued Haiti ever since the southern republic won the war, and the same hydra that is threatening our country with a similar fate. Edited on 10/23/2009 10:37 PM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #414 - Posted 23 October 2009, 11:00 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: Sorry to interrupt the train of thought, but I just wnated to mention that when I was in school i remember a 'paquito' called Fuego that was about Henri Christophe and his regime.. it was when the Memin paquito was out as well. Yes, I remember it as well. The comic series in question was called "Fuego - Majestad Negra". Although it was a somewhat embellished and watered down version of Christophe's life and the Haitian Revolution, it was highly entertaining nonetheless. Although there were scenes that were highly repugnant and revolting for my tastes, such as the scenes were slave women were brutalized by petit blanc slavedrivers, and the ones in which the revolted slaves of the Turpin plantation (the first one to fall on that fateful night of August 22, 1791) brutalized the women of that grand blanc family. Christophe was portrayed as a Caliban type of hero, Toussaint as a wise and noble patriarch, while Dessalines (and Makandal in some flashbacks) were portrayed as the most terrible and bloodthirsty of tigers, respectively. Edited on 10/23/2009 11:04 PM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #415 - Posted 24 October 2009, 7:27 AM | |
 Location: United States, Santo Domingo Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 4775 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Incognito previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Incognito ,keeping a couple is irrelevant and I don't question why they were killed (I wrote that earlier) but the basic premise still holds that the people who were all of a sudden "free" did not know what to do with that freedom and they were not equipped to handle a nation . DR with all its problems always had a small group of people equipped to govern ,we did not have to start from scratch because we started with people who knew the business of governance while the people who were running Haiti did not have a clue ,they were limited to imitating European royalty (King ,Emperor) and the nation had serious race relations problems between the African majority and the mixed blood minority . All these factors and pissing off a world power like France did not help Haiti at all but instead of living in the past Haitians should construct Haiti from scratch (2nd Republic) discarding all the negative and doing things differently because even if all that fantasy history were true ,it does not feed or educate. In this case I would agree on a " 2nd Republic of Haiti". The problem seriously, If Christophe had took p-a-p after Petion Dearth, all history would had change. Cap haitien was burned during the war (war strategy Russia did the same),It was a brand new city made by King henry.. today .. No debt of independance,more schools. This coward of Boyer close the schools made by Christophe to create Military base. Christophe had a vision for Haiti but saddly... Ti Neg: Sa va? Henri Christophe was affected by syphilis that had infected his brain and was a terminal case before he committed suicide, by a silver bullet (maybe he thought of himself as evil and needed a silver bullet) . This disease was transmitted by the white French whores that he preferred to have around his court. He built the "Citadelle" the most impregnable old fortress that I have visited (yes) for those days with many cannons, at a great human cost (some historians say that over 10,000 Haitians died during the construction), some say more, but with 0 military value. Why? because the French generals decided that it did not have a military value since it was a remote location on top of a mountain, and the best thing to do was just ignore it and occupy all the territory around and close to it, as they did. Henri declared himself emperor and dressed European style, but he was not very political and had primal concepts of how a government should function, and was doomed for failure. In other words he had reach the "Peter principle" where some rise in the hierarchy to their level of incompetence. Like I said before, Toussaint was the natural leader for Haiti and the French never forgave him for rising against them, and shot themselves in the foot when they imprisoned and killed him, because of their imperialistic and intolerant doctrines. I don't think that's a fair assesment of Christophe's rule. Keep in mind that the state functioned under him and he was indeed able to leave a surplus in the state treasury upon his deasth, a considerable sum at that (not to mention several buildings he commisioned that included the citadelle and the Sans souci palace). I think Lautaro can expand on Christophe's rule a little more if he's out there. Also, the French never had to deal with the citadelle as it was built after the last french troops left what became Haitian soil. Henri who came from the english possession of St.Kitts was not xenophobic against whites, since he was partial to the British, but was a vane, egocentric tyrant, and in his feudal codes and disciplinary actions became repressive, and ruled with utmost cruelty. He had no revolutionary ideals and even conferred nobility "titles" to the jesters and sycophants of his Haitian court. To build the Haitian "La Citadelle" at cost of the lives of between 10,000 and 20,000 "freed" slaves is no accomplishment in my book, and the plush "Sans Souci" palace in a poor country like Haiti is just a monument to his insatiable vanity, and his spendthrift ways of dispensing public moneys. You're laboring under the assumption that Haiti was always as poor as she is today. Not so. Even during Henri's time their were still vestiges of the immense wealth that Haiti once possessed. Keep in mind that up until the begiining of the Haitian revolutiion Haiti alone accounted for 2/3rds of France's revenue, France then being the richest European country, and produced greater wealth than all the thirteen original colonies that would become the US COMBINED. That Henri was indeed cruel is undisputable but cruelty and mismanagement do not necessarily go hand in hand. He ran a very effecient state, as did Trujillo who was just as cruel and vain. I've stated before that an interesting thesis can be written comparing the regimes of Henri and Trujillo. There are many parrallels. No assumption at all, Haiti was still wealthy enough to acquire great quantities of weapons and powder for their armies, and the best equipment for their soldiers. So much as a matter of fact they could could help fellow revolutionaries in South America. But there are two kinds of government spending or "investing", one is investing in the country's infrastructure, more wealth is generated with investments in agriculture, building roads, dams, reservoirs, irrigation channels and the other "investments" are just for vanity and show like the Sans Souci palace, and more recently in our case the Faro a Colón or Columbus lighthouse, by Balaguer, the Pan American games facilities, by Hipoloco Mejia and some say the "metro" to nowhere, by the PLD comesolos. Interesting parallel with Henri and Trujillo, they were very similar, except that Trujillo was a bigot and hated blacks and everything black and Henri did not dislike whites (as long as they were English) and was not xenophobic. But the point that ciby is trying to make (and something that I agree wholeheartedly) is that, of the two regimes existing on the haitian territory at that time, Christophe's monarchy was more efficient than Petion's republic, on the economic, and yes, social point of view, cuz' even though Christophe can be accused of being cruel, it's no less the truth that he sought for the citizens of his kingdom to be thoroughly educated and disciplined. Heck, he even tried to establish english as the official language of the country. Had his plans being successful, Haiti would be the Caribbean powerhouse out there, and this is an undeniable fact. All the countries of Europe passed through an authoritarian period in their national lives (even the United Provinces of the Netherlands, the most democratic of them all at that time) before experiencing the joys of democracy, and I think that Haiti would have been inmensely better off if the monarchic despotism of the north would have been the one to win the match, because, notwithstanding the level of freedom existing in the southern republic, this freedom was established at the expense of economic efficiency, the result of which can be seen right now. If you people are not aware of this, it would be the leaders of the southern republic (Petion and Boyer) the ones that would accept paying France the ransom money which bankupted the country in the end. As a contrast, Christophe left at the time of his death a surplus of 3 million british pounds on the domestic treasury, quite a fortune for the time, but which would end up being eaten up on Boyer's first payments on the cursed "debt". Democracy may be the best system out there, but it's totally worthless to have it if the survival of this system on a given country is built on the basis of national weakness and anarchy, the perfect setting for a country to be attacked by the double hydra of domestic treason and foreign hatred, which if you cared to observe, have been the curses that have plagued Haiti ever since the southern republic won the war, and the same hydra that is threatening our country with a similar fate. Looking it from that point of view I agree with your conclusions.  "Is better to light a candle than curse the darkness" Confucius |
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| #416 - Posted 24 October 2009, 7:59 AM | |
Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: June 2009 Member #: 3003 Posts: 449 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Incognito previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: Incognito ,keeping a couple is irrelevant and I don't question why they were killed (I wrote that earlier) but the basic premise still holds that the people who were all of a sudden "free" did not know what to do with that freedom and they were not equipped to handle a nation . DR with all its problems always had a small group of people equipped to govern ,we did not have to start from scratch because we started with people who knew the business of governance while the people who were running Haiti did not have a clue ,they were limited to imitating European royalty (King ,Emperor) and the nation had serious race relations problems between the African majority and the mixed blood minority . All these factors and pissing off a world power like France did not help Haiti at all but instead of living in the past Haitians should construct Haiti from scratch (2nd Republic) discarding all the negative and doing things differently because even if all that fantasy history were true ,it does not feed or educate. In this case I would agree on a " 2nd Republic of Haiti". The problem seriously, If Christophe had took p-a-p after Petion Dearth, all history would had change. Cap haitien was burned during the war (war strategy Russia did the same),It was a brand new city made by King henry.. today .. No debt of independance,more schools. This coward of Boyer close the schools made by Christophe to create Military base. Christophe had a vision for Haiti but saddly... Ti Neg: Sa va? Henri Christophe was affected by syphilis that had infected his brain and was a terminal case before he committed suicide, by a silver bullet (maybe he thought of himself as evil and needed a silver bullet) . This disease was transmitted by the white French whores that he preferred to have around his court. He built the "Citadelle" the most impregnable old fortress that I have visited (yes) for those days with many cannons, at a great human cost (some historians say that over 10,000 Haitians died during the construction), some say more, but with 0 military value. Why? because the French generals decided that it did not have a military value since it was a remote location on top of a mountain, and the best thing to do was just ignore it and occupy all the territory around and close to it, as they did. Henri declared himself emperor and dressed European style, but he was not very political and had primal concepts of how a government should function, and was doomed for failure. In other words he had reach the "Peter principle" where some rise in the hierarchy to their level of incompetence. Like I said before, Toussaint was the natural leader for Haiti and the French never forgave him for rising against them, and shot themselves in the foot when they imprisoned and killed him, because of their imperialistic and intolerant doctrines. I don't think that's a fair assesment of Christophe's rule. Keep in mind that the state functioned under him and he was indeed able to leave a surplus in the state treasury upon his deasth, a considerable sum at that (not to mention several buildings he commisioned that included the citadelle and the Sans souci palace). I think Lautaro can expand on Christophe's rule a little more if he's out there. Also, the French never had to deal with the citadelle as it was built after the last french troops left what became Haitian soil. Henri who came from the english possession of St.Kitts was not xenophobic against whites, since he was partial to the British, but was a vane, egocentric tyrant, and in his feudal codes and disciplinary actions became repressive, and ruled with utmost cruelty. He had no revolutionary ideals and even conferred nobility "titles" to the jesters and sycophants of his Haitian court. To build the Haitian "La Citadelle" at cost of the lives of between 10,000 and 20,000 "freed" slaves is no accomplishment in my book, and the plush "Sans Souci" palace in a poor country like Haiti is just a monument to his insatiable vanity, and his spendthrift ways of dispensing public moneys. You're laboring under the assumption that Haiti was always as poor as she is today. Not so. Even during Henri's time their were still vestiges of the immense wealth that Haiti once possessed. Keep in mind that up until the begiining of the Haitian revolutiion Haiti alone accounted for 2/3rds of France's revenue, France then being the richest European country, and produced greater wealth than all the thirteen original colonies that would become the US COMBINED. That Henri was indeed cruel is undisputable but cruelty and mismanagement do not necessarily go hand in hand. He ran a very effecient state, as did Trujillo who was just as cruel and vain. I've stated before that an interesting thesis can be written comparing the regimes of Henri and Trujillo. There are many parrallels. No assumption at all, Haiti was still wealthy enough to acquire great quantities of weapons and powder for their armies, and the best equipment for their soldiers. So much as a matter of fact they could could help fellow revolutionaries in South America. But there are two kinds of government spending or "investing", one is investing in the country's infrastructure, more wealth is generated with investments in agriculture, building roads, dams, reservoirs, irrigation channels and the other "investments" are just for vanity and show like the Sans Souci palace, and more recently in our case the Faro a Colón or Columbus lighthouse, by Balaguer, the Pan American games facilities, by Hipoloco Mejia and some say the "metro" to nowhere, by the PLD comesolos. Interesting parallel with Henri and Trujillo, they were very similar, except that Trujillo was a bigot and hated blacks and everything black and Henri did not dislike whites (as long as they were English) and was not xenophobic. But the point that ciby is trying to make (and something that I agree wholeheartedly) is that, of the two regimes existing on the haitian territory at that time, Christophe's monarchy was more efficient than Petion's republic, on the economic, and yes, social point of view, cuz' even though Christophe can be accused of being cruel, it's no less the truth that he sought for the citizens of his kingdom to be thoroughly educated and disciplined. Heck, he even tried to establish english as the official language of the country. Had his plans being successful, Haiti would be the Caribbean powerhouse out there, and this is an undeniable fact. All the countries of Europe passed through an authoritarian period in their national lives (even the United Provinces of the Netherlands, the most democratic of them all at that time) before experiencing the joys of democracy, and I think that Haiti would have been inmensely better off if the monarchic despotism of the north would have been the one to win the match, because, notwithstanding the level of freedom existing in the southern republic, this freedom was established at the expense of economic efficiency, the result of which can be seen right now. If you people are not aware of this, it would be the leaders of the southern republic (Petion and Boyer) the ones that would accept paying France the ransom money which bankupted the country in the end. As a contrast, Christophe left at the time of his death a surplus of 3 million british pounds on the domestic treasury, quite a fortune for the time, but which would end up being eaten up on Boyer's first payments on the cursed "debt". Democracy may be the best system out there, but it's totally worthless to have it if the survival of this system on a given country is built on the basis of national weakness and anarchy, the perfect setting for a country to be attacked by the double hydra of domestic treason and foreign hatred, which if you cared to observe, have been the curses that have plagued Haiti ever since the southern republic won the war, and the same hydra that is threatening our country with a similar fate. Excellent my friend ! We lost all our contact with UK for this stupid recogniation of France by Boyer. Christophe had a vision for his Kingdom even if he didn't go to school in France, he was a quite smart guy. Sad,Sad and again sad ! School turned intro army base today ? No army,No school one of the poorest country in america. TN1804 |
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| #417 - Posted 25 October 2009, 7:56 PM | |
 Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 1482 | RE: Repay what you stole..."la France" Quote: vacanos previously said: Quote: Pepe32 previously said: And then Haitians Like to Fool Themselves saying that They Liberated us... Not only did they not beat the full power of France but they were subsequently beaten over and over by hicks from the eastern part of La Española ,so following this twisted logic of theirs Dominican Criollo and Mulatto peasants defeated multiple times the army that "defeated " the French so our peasantry was on par with the most powerful armies of the time!! Of course we don't believe this because we are realists and love our country notwithstanding its shortcomings and will fight to the death when provoked. Worse of all their "liberation" of the eastern side was a blood soaked march in which every living thing was destroyed by their savage "armies" and the pigs were raped and the women killed (or was that the other way around?) and for this kindness they have earned our eternal "gratitude" As the old saying goes "with friends like these who needs enemies?" Pepe you are on a roll please allow to say this PEPE PEPE PEPE PEPE PEPE PEPE We Dominicans are the most resilient people in the world. We could have allowed the Haitians to do their way with us taking our land, forcing us to pay for their debt, raping our women, forcing our people to leave the Island, ECT. But 90,000 drew a line and said enough is enough and fought against 600,000 of them and beat them even with rock. That show you our determination. Their defeated army destroyed everything in their way back to their side of the island. They used to throw our kids in the Cibao region up in the air to be awaited by a bayonet. People from the Cibao are told of this and many other savage stories of them. It is passed from generation to generation. So we never forget of what they are capable. LEST NOT FOGET. I was told this many times when I asked about our independence from Haiti as a child. |
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