| #1 - Posted 18 January 2010, 11:42 AM | |
Location: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2753 Posts: 736 | France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly EMMA VANDORE ![]() Christine Lagarde AP Business Writer= PARIS (AP) — France on Friday urged Haiti's creditors to speed efforts to cancel the impoverished Caribbean nation's debt, a stranglehold that began two centuries ago when Napoleon demanded reparations for the island's independence. In 1825, France demanded 150 million francs in gold as reparations for lands lost by former slave owners. Haiti took massive loans from American, German and French banks at exorbitant rates of interest to pay back France. The repayments to Haiti's former colonial master trapped the Caribbean nation in a downward economic spiral that has helped make it the Western Hemisphere's most impoverished nation, according to Alex von Tunzelmann, a British historian who is writing a book about Haiti and its Caribbean neighbors. The repayments "deformed the country's economy," she said. "For all of the 19th century and most of the 20th century, Haiti was unable to develop normally." Even though the debt eventually was reduced to 60 million francs plus interest, it was not until 1947 that Haiti paid it off. In 1900, the Haitian government was spending 80 percent of its budget on repayments. A succession of leaders who looted the country made the problem worse, she said. Though the Paris Club of 19 creditor nations, including the United States, agreed in July to clear Haiti's remaining $215 million debt to club members, the process can still take years to finalize. French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde said she asked members of the informal club to speed up the process. Club members agreed to cancel $62.7 million under the International Monetary Fund and World Bank's initiative for heavily indebted poor countries and another $152 million through bilateral deals. For its part, France wants to quickly cancel Haiti's remaining €54 million debt to Paris, after already having canceled €4 million before the quake, Lagarde said. "France should probably be paying absolutely enormous reparations to Haiti" given the history, said Nick Dearden, director of the Jubilee Campaign for the debt of poor countries to be dropped. Lagarde said Friday she also is asking nonmembers Venezuela and Taiwan, who are owed significant amounts by Haiti, to help in debt reduction. This follows the cancellation of $1.2 billion in debt last month by the World Bank, IMF and Inter-American Development Bank, representing 60 percent of Haiti's debt. Dearden said Haiti still owes $641 million in total debt, and Haiti is paying $10 million a year on multilateral debt repayments. He said Jubilee is "extremely worried" about the IMF's announcement Thursday that it will loan $100 million to Haiti to help it with the difficult task of rebuilding. "Haiti does not need its debt stock added to," he said. "We are calling for absolutely all of Haiti's debt to be canceled now." -- AP Business writer Greg Keller in Paris contributed to this story. Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8901232 What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others. |
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| #2 - Posted 18 January 2010, 11:46 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly A long time coming. Only took a disaster of epic proportions to make it happen. Also let them relocate into the sparsely populated interior of French Guiana. |
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| #3 - Posted 18 January 2010, 11:50 AM | |
Location: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2753 Posts: 736 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: A long time coming. Only took a disaster of epic proportions to make it happen. Also let them relocate into the sparsely populated interior of French Guiana. Don't loose your faith as long as i can I'll try, since long i am asking this land for Haitians. Edited on 1/18/2010 11:51 AM by tschotschua. What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others. |
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| #4 - Posted 18 January 2010, 11:53 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly Quote: tschotschua previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: A long time coming. Only took a disaster of epic proportions to make it happen. Also let them relocate into the sparsely populated interior of French Guiana. Don't loose your faith as long as i can I'll try, since long i am asking this land for Haitians. I had the thought but didn't think it was possible but after hearing the offer from Senegal I realized this can work. With $641 million dollar debt possibly erased and fertile land, Haiti and in turn Quisqueya will be allowed to prosper. |
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| #5 - Posted 18 January 2010, 12:29 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly France is beyond cruel and they know that Haiti is in no position to pay back anything now or in the foreseeable future, that is why the "generosity". It is just more grandstanding by France trying to hide the sun with their little finger. After all the debt to France was only 5 million euros I heard. Big deal. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #6 - Posted 18 January 2010, 12:35 PM | |
Location: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2753 Posts: 736 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly Quote: generoso previously said: France is beyond cruel and they know that Haiti is in no position to pay back anything now or in the foreseeable future, that is why the "generosity". It is just more grandstanding by France trying to hide the sun with their little finger. After all the debt to France was only 5 million euros I heard. Big deal. Yes I know, @General, but in the long path they are going to bleed, they would have to make restitution of all the payment for Haiti's old debt !!! What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others. |
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| #7 - Posted 18 January 2010, 12:47 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly Quote: tschotschua previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: France is beyond cruel and they know that Haiti is in no position to pay back anything now or in the foreseeable future, that is why the "generosity". It is just more grandstanding by France trying to hide the sun with their little finger. After all the debt to France was only 5 million euros I heard. Big deal. Yes I know, @General, but in the long path they are going to bleed, they would have to make restitution of all the payment for Haiti's old debt !!! President Aristide when he was in power made an attempt and sued France at the international tribunals in The Hague, for 20 billion dollars, and it is said that this was one the reasons why France contributed to his overthrow. I am not a big Aristide fan either, as he tried to use this "debt payment return" as a diversionary tactic, and take the focus away from his corrupt and bloody administration. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #8 - Posted 18 January 2010, 1:49 PM | |
Location: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2753 Posts: 736 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly Quote: generoso previously said: President Aristide when he was in power made an attempt and sued France at the international tribunals in The Hague, for 20 billion dollars, and it is said that this was one the reasons why France contributed to his overthrow. I am not a big Aristide fan either, as he tried to use this "debt payment return" as a diversionary tactic, and take the focus away from his corrupt and bloody administration. But now with the focus on, we are speaking a different language: they pay or give French Guyana instead. We want the best for both Haiti and D.R. too. Edited on 1/18/2010 1:50 PM by tschotschua. What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others. |
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| #9 - Posted 18 January 2010, 2:05 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly Quote: tschotschua previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: President Aristide when he was in power made an attempt and sued France at the international tribunals in The Hague, for 20 billion dollars, and it is said that this was one the reasons why France contributed to his overthrow. I am not a big Aristide fan either, as he tried to use this "debt payment return" as a diversionary tactic, and take the focus away from his corrupt and bloody administration. But now with the focus on, we are speaking a different language: they pay or give French Guyana instead. We want the best for both Haiti and D.R. too. Good luck my friend trying to get the French to pay the bill. Many have tried for years and failed, but who knows things may change someday. As they say in frog land, Bon Chance! Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #10 - Posted 18 January 2010, 2:10 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 360 Posts: 2749 | RE: France asks Haiti's creditors: cancel debt quickly ¿Existió Haití? GABRIEL ALBIAC Lunes , 18-01-10 EN el año 1794, no había más nación independiente en el continente americano que los Estados Unidos. En el año 1794, Francia ve desangrarse a los mejores hijos de su revolución en las semanas vertiginosas del delirio terrorista. En el año 1794, la guillotina desembarca en Puerto Príncipe. Y, con ella, la segunda independencia nacional de América: la de Haití. Todo había empezado un poco antes. Como eco de la Revolución que rugía en la metrópoli. El 14 de agosto de 1791 -dos años y un mes después de la toma de la Bastilla-, Dutty Boukman oficia en Bois-Caïman la liturgia vudú que tendrá valor de mito fundador: los esclavos celebrantes beben esa noche la sangre de cerdo negro que los hará invulnerables. Una semana después, se inicia la matanza de los amos y la incineración de sus posesiones. Perecen más de mil colonos blancos. Arden ciento sesenta y una plantaciones de azúcar y mil doscientos cafetales. La isla es una hoguera. Boukman es finalmente apresado y decapitado. Su lugarteniente François-Dominique Toussaint, que muy pronto cambiará su apellido por el de Toussaint-Louverture, toma el relevo. Conducirá la revuelta hasta un éxito total que, en su transcripción mágica del modelo jacobino, sólo se considerará consumado cuando todos los no esclavos -sea cual sea el matiz de claridad de su piel- hayan sido ejecutados. «Hermanos y amigos» -proclama a modo de manifiesto de su exaltadora aventura-, «yo soy Toussaint-Louverture... Emprendo la venganza de mi raza». El 4 de febrero de 1794, la Convención parisina abole esclavitud en todos los territorios franceses. Nombrado en 1796 General de Francia y potestad indiscutible en la isla, Toussaint deriva hacia el delirio: ordena liquidar a sus oponentes, desencadena una violencia racial aniquiladora, implanta, en 1800, el trabajo obligatorio, calco de la esclavitud, y dicta en 1801 una Constitución que preludia la independencia de 1804; pero, para esa fecha, Napoleón habrá acabado ya con el incómodo personaje, tras una mutua campaña de exterminio, de la cual saldrá la isla reducida a cenizas, material y moralmente y para siempre. Y la «primera república negra del mundo», que la mitología nacional erige en epopeya, se alza, así, sobre el solar devastado de lo que fue un paraíso. ¿Luego? Tiranos inimaginables. Magos tribales que gobernaron a golpe de arbitrio absoluto y de vudú. Duvalier, el más pintoresco en lo sanguinario. No el único. Y la última esperanza de Haití se la llevó por delante, en 2004, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, un clérigo reconvertido en hechicero, al cual soñamos un día portador de democracia para su trágico pueblo. Jamás hubo un Estado allí. Ahora, hay nada. Todo lector sabe lo que significa el lema de la Asinaria de Plauto, sobre el cual Hobbes funda su De Cive: si «el hombre es un lobo para el hombre», sólo la institución de un conglomerado de poder incomparablemente más alto que el de ningún individuo, el Estado, podrá poner freno al homicidio interminable. También en esto, la naturaleza aborrece el vacío: allá donde no hay Estado, impera el crimen. Y, a la tragedia teológica de una catástrofe que borra de un plumazo a poblaciones enteras -ese terrible enigma que, tras el terremoto del Lisboa del año 1755, formulara Voltaire bajo la agria paradoja de «un Dios que se venga de los hombres»-, se suma la tragedia moral de los supervivientes que, a continuación, deben saquear y, si se tercia, matar para seguir viviendo. Las almas delicadas entienden enseguida que es obligación mandar víveres. ¿Entenderán también que es igual de urgente mandar hombres armados para poder distribuirlos? Edited on 1/18/2010 2:10 PM by Pepe32. Los enemigos de la Patria, por consiguiente nuestros, están todos muy acordes en estas ideas; destruir la nacionalidad aunque para ello sea preciso aniquilar a la Nación entera si vis pacem para bellum |
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