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| #1 - Posted 11 July 2008, 5:51 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 444  |  how history can save DR ! !First a history lesson. According to Juan Bosch in "De Cristobal Colon a Fidel Castro," Spanish society fell behind other European countries because they invested much of their money fighting wars in Europe and the world instead of investing the money at home developing their own society and infrastructure. According to Henry Kaman, in "EMPIRE: HOW SPAIN BECAME A WORLD POWER” Spain’s lost of the 80 years war with the Dutch meant that all the money invested in the war was now available for development in Spain... Hence losing the war was a positive for the population of Spain... Now how these lessons do may apply to DR? And how bad would it actually be for DR to have its Oil consumption cut by half Oil in Turkey is priced at 11 Dollars per gallon. If for instance DR were to cut its Oil consumption by half by raising the gallon of gasoline to say 11 Dollars or more, forcing Motherfuckers like my cousins in DR walk to the fucking colmado. There exist too many rich people in DR who drive everywhere for mere pleasure and aren’t conscious of the damage they’re doing to the country. This measure would make driving and thus the consumption of Oil an economic necessity. Of course a subsides for important sectors should be included, in order to help pay for the movement of merchandized. The measure would not be taken lightly by the population… people may be forced to relocated, or carpooling to reach their jobs and civil disturbance will certainly happen. The government must anticipate these problems and have contingency plans to overcome them. On the positive side, buying less oil, means remittance money would remain in the DR, helping lower the external Debt and enhancing our electrical capability to minimize the consumption of foreign oil. I have seen small roads in NY’s west village with Bicycle lanes and if they can do it…. So can we. DR government must develop our roads to accommodate transit for bicycle and must if necessary give bicycles to the people so that they may reach their jobs that way. We must stop the import of Gas Guzzling cars and buy small hybrid European cars which are very energy efficient. We must also develop wind farms which are very environmentally friendly. Fuck Ethanol... it drives food prices up; clean energy is the future ! ! Anyhow these are my ideas and I hope many of you will contribute to make it more efficient. Edited on 7/11/2008 5:53 PM by CarlosFranco. |
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| #2 - Posted 11 July 2008, 6:29 PM | |
 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 423 | RE: how history can save DR ! ! Franco I agree. I'm disappointed that Leonel Fernandez, and here in US Barack Obama, are throwing their hats into this silly "blame the commodity speculators" ring. Even if the speculators are greedy pigs, they are only speeding up the inevitable. I understand that this inflicts real pain on a lot of people, but we may as well suffer today instead of expecting our children to be the ones to deal with the end of oil.  Another potential benefit of increasing oil costs means that Asia becomes more expensive to ship goods from...here is another area of opportunity for an island like ours so close to either the rich North America or the rising powers in the South. I don't know how bad the traffic and accident situation is in DR but there is another area where people would benefit from reduced oil dependency. What about bikes people? Extensive railroads and electric bus systems? Hell we don't even have to import them, we could learn to make and sell electric buses....God forbid we produce something meaningful. More jobs and not impossible to accomplish in a small nation.Anyway you can get as imaginative as you please, but the point above is correct; this needs to be looked at as an opportunity. |
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| #3 - Posted 11 July 2008, 9:03 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 775 | RE: how history can save DR ! ! Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: First a history lesson. According to Juan Bosch in "De Cristobal Colon a Fidel Castro," Spanish society fell behind other European countries because they invested much of their money fighting wars in Europe and the world instead of investing the money at home developing their own society and infrastructure. According to Henry Kaman, in "EMPIRE: HOW SPAIN BECAME A WORLD POWER” Spain’s lost of the 80 years war with the Dutch meant that all the money invested in the war was now available for development in Spain... Hence losing the war was a positive for the population of Spain... Now how these lessons do may apply to DR? And how bad would it actually be for DR to have its Oil consumption cut by half Oil in Turkey is priced at 11 Dollars per gallon. If for instance DR were to cut its Oil consumption by half by raising the gallon of gasoline to say 11 Dollars or more, forcing Motherfuckers like my cousins in DR walk to the fucking colmado. There exist too many rich people in DR who drive everywhere for mere pleasure and aren’t conscious of the damage they’re doing to the country. This measure would make driving and thus the consumption of Oil an economic necessity. Of course a subsides for important sectors should be included, in order to help pay for the movement of merchandized. The measure would not be taken lightly by the population… people may be forced to relocated, or carpooling to reach their jobs and civil disturbance will certainly happen. The government must anticipate these problems and have contingency plans to overcome them. On the positive side, buying less oil, means remittance money would remain in the DR, helping lower the external Debt and enhancing our electrical capability to minimize the consumption of foreign oil. I have seen small roads in NY’s west village with Bicycle lanes and if they can do it…. So can we. DR government must develop our roads to accommodate transit for bicycle and must if necessary give bicycles to the people so that they may reach their jobs that way. We must stop the import of Gas Guzzling cars and buy small hybrid European cars which are very energy efficient. We must also develop wind farms which are very environmentally friendly. Fuck Ethanol... it drives food prices up; clean energy is the future ! ! Anyhow these are my ideas and I hope many of you will contribute to make it more efficient. Do you really believe that crap your wrote? It is the rich who drive the economy. It is the rich who create jobs. It is the rich who find solutions. Name one major economic accomplishment created by the poor! |
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| #4 - Posted 12 July 2008, 12:31 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 2949 | RE: how history can save DR ! ! Carlos Franco, we have had our disagreements in the past, but they have always been, thankfully, civil exchanges. in this instance, i am fully in agreement with you. if i read the post correctly, you are mainly advocating conservation and sacrifice. those are prescriptions which can only be ridiculed by the likes of anthonyc, a man who reveals himself to be intellectually challenged with each successive posting. yes, this is a guy who believes that if you find yourself in a life -threatening situation because you made a bad decision, that is not a crisis; a crisis is something which happens to you at the hands of others. one must wonder if there are schools in his neck of the woods!! |
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| #5 - Posted 12 July 2008, 1:22 PM | |
 Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 783 Posts: 472 |  RE: how history can save DR ! !Quote: dreadlocks previously said: Carlos Franco, we have had our disagreements in the past, but they have always been, thankfully, civil exchanges. in this instance, i am fully in agreement with you. if i read the post correctly, you are mainly advocating conservation and sacrifice. those are prescriptions which can only be ridiculed by the likes of anthonyc, a man who reveals himself to be intellectually challenged with each successive posting. yes, this is a guy who believes that if you find yourself in a life -threatening situation because you made a bad decision, that is not a crisis; a crisis is something which happens to you at the hands of others. one must wonder if there are schools in his neck of the woods!! Dreadlocks: I strongly believe in conservation but I do believe that the rich have a major role due to they have the capital that will be invested in RD of alternative/renewable resources, vehicles etc. The U.S. utilizes approximately 2/3 of the worlds production. Why? Because of waste attributed to material wealth. Because they have been able to do so. Now, I believe Americans will not start thinking "REAL" conservation until it really begins to hurt. The real pain will come when it hits $8-10/gallon. Technology that can reduce our dependency on oil has been out for many many years (costly because the lack of demand) but Americans have not turned to these options because the market research has showed that Americans don't want to conserve. This has been reflected in their spending and consumption habits. However once oil hits 8-10/g and Americans begin to change their consumption habits, and increase the demand for efficiency, companies will begin to invest more in these technologies. It's all about Money. Several weeks ago Pres Bush went to middle east begging the Saudis to produce more oil. The Saudis agreed to increase output by 200,000-300,000 barrels per day. Why 2-3houndred K? This is minuscule. Its because the Saudis know their supply of oil is dwindling fast and they hope to keep us fixed to their pipes for as long as possible. If the Saudi had a vast amount of oil they would have increased production by a much greater amount and reduced the price slightly 2-3$ to give the appearance that the market has stabilized. Though I am feeling the pain at the pump, I would like to see gas hit 8-9 dollars a gallon. It is the bad medicine we need to take but don't want to. A few years ago I saw an interview where the person was asked " When will Americans change their energy consumption habits"? The person replied when gas hits $4/gallon. We are at $4 and American are still debating of what they are going to do. I say let it $8-9-10 per gallon and you will see how quickly alternatives will begin to sprout. Edited on 7/14/2008 8:15 PM by ladronaso. And so, my fellow Dominican, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. |
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| #6 - Posted 12 July 2008, 2:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 444 |  RE: how history can save DR ! !Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: First a history lesson. According to Juan Bosch in "De Cristobal Colon a Fidel Castro," Spanish society fell behind other European countries because they invested much of their money fighting wars in Europe and the world instead of investing the money at home developing their own society and infrastructure. According to Henry Kaman, in "EMPIRE: HOW SPAIN BECAME A WORLD POWER” Spain’s lost of the 80 years war with the Dutch meant that all the money invested in the war was now available for development in Spain... Hence losing the war was a positive for the population of Spain... Now how these lessons do may apply to DR? And how bad would it actually be for DR to have its Oil consumption cut by half Oil in Turkey is priced at 11 Dollars per gallon. If for instance DR were to cut its Oil consumption by half by raising the gallon of gasoline to say 11 Dollars or more, forcing Motherfuckers like my cousins in DR walk to the fucking colmado. There exist too many rich people in DR who drive everywhere for mere pleasure and aren’t conscious of the damage they’re doing to the country. This measure would make driving and thus the consumption of Oil an economic necessity. Of course a subsides for important sectors should be included, in order to help pay for the movement of merchandized. The measure would not be taken lightly by the population… people may be forced to relocated, or carpooling to reach their jobs and civil disturbance will certainly happen. The government must anticipate these problems and have contingency plans to overcome them. On the positive side, buying less oil, means remittance money would remain in the DR, helping lower the external Debt and enhancing our electrical capability to minimize the consumption of foreign oil. I have seen small roads in NY’s west village with Bicycle lanes and if they can do it…. So can we. DR government must develop our roads to accommodate transit for bicycle and must if necessary give bicycles to the people so that they may reach their jobs that way. We must stop the import of Gas Guzzling cars and buy small hybrid European cars which are very energy efficient. We must also develop wind farms which are very environmentally friendly. Fuck Ethanol... it drives food prices up; clean energy is the future ! ! Anyhow these are my ideas and I hope many of you will contribute to make it more efficient. Do you really believe that crap your wrote? It is the rich who drive the economy. It is the rich who create jobs. It is the rich who find solutions. Name one major economic accomplishment created by the poor! And how did the west came to amass such wealth ??? work on that for the next couple of months your lack of will and imagination may require that long |
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