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For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad.
HAITI'S CHANGE: The Plain And Simple Targeted Demographic.
The Haitian Diasporas, The Elites, The Artists, The Haitian Media And Their Roles.
By Wilgeens "AfroLatino" Rosenberg.
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The Haitian Diasporas living abroad, the Haitian Artists nor the rich Elites of Haiti have not been pro-active enough in tackling the problems of Haiti. They can make better efforts to work together to approach Haiti's issues and fix some problems. Only they have the means and can change the dynamic of the many challenges Haiti faces economically, socially and politically. There needs to be more promotion for this dialogue in the Haitian media abroad and to those Haitian Communities abroad.

Now is the time Haitian presidents need to engage in more Public Relation talk and direct radio addresses in communicating to the mass population of Haiti reassuring them of what is being done generally in the country. Especially with all those proclaimed funds in aid that are promised to enter the Country once there is a managing Government. Haitian Government officials need to start sending out more direct and constant Communiques to the Haitians living abroad as well in engaging them to partake in the changes Haiti needs. These officials must pay more attention to the criticisms, analysis and concerns as well as the new ideas, suggestions and recommendations that many great Haitians in Haiti and abroad have by holding frequent Broadcasted live Hall meetings periodically and regularly. In other words, the Haitian Government and its officials can do a better job using the Internet media to spread their goals, intentions and weekly or even monthly improvement updates of what is taking place in the Country more often. That will generate a better and greater sense of trust, confident and popular support from the Haitian people in knowing their Government is actually at work working for them. It appears that many Haitians are without a clue what is happening to Haiti, or maybe they do have many clues but feel they are not being included in their Country's politics for change and the lack of togetherness as a people is surely contributing to the deterioration of the lovely Country.

Without a good sense of true realization to the facts of the actual problems of Haiti or with the constant denials and disrespect for Haiti by its very own citizens as a Country is what is causing Haiti to lose ground of recognition in the face of the rest of the world which taps right into the confidence, conscience psyche of younger generation of Haitians to come to grow up not to care for Haiti themselves. Beside Wyclef Jean, these Haitian youths are being raised and grow up to not having any exemplary figures as role models in their communities or societies whether in Haiti or abroad. They have no one to amass inspiration or aspiration from or to even look up to as role models. Surely there are many stars living in the United States of America also in many other parts of the world for that matter that are Haitian whom could actually stand for something in helping out in the causes and plights Haiti faces as a nation. Yet all these kids are getting are the negative images, the negative issues and crisis of the Country and they are gaining nothing morally cultural from those nowadays useless politicians, diasporas, elite Haitians and the Haitian media. All these sectors do not give a "Diddilli Squat" about the Nation nor do they share a common love for Country. Thus is why these youngsters are growing up without any proper education about Haiti and without any sense of true love and civic duty for the country.

The re-institution, of a modern and improved HAITIAN ARMED FORCES is a major must for Haiti and could serve as a form of hope for Haiti's future generations since those given and named sectors are not fulfilling their obligation. Thus this new Army would serve as an engineering corp kind of Army where kids could start taking part in the construction, development of their country. Assuringly make no mistakes about it, without any institution of role model for future youths to look up to, they too will grow up not caring about the nation and will always see their pockets before the need of the Country just like those current ungrateful incompetent mediocre politicians and many unpatriotic selfish Haitians are doing today.

P.S: Haiti could have greater relations with the Dominican Republic if ever one day I hope, but with the lack of pro-activeness and initiative on the Haitian government such a possibility may now seem a bit unlikely that given the known history and now social tension between the two great sovereign Nations but there is hope always for peace as the Haitian people must find their own peace and justice from within first to gain the respect and inclusion they seek in the world from the rest of the world primarily with next door neighbor the Dominican Republic for a greater Hispaniola.

Just as said in the posted signature of a guy named Lautaro: "Peace is or can be a lie, but there is only passion. So through passion one gains strength, through strength one gains power, through power one gains victory and through victory one's chains are broken. Thus the Force shall free thee." — The Sith Code
Edited on 7/17/2008 1:24 PM by AfroLatino.
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How dare you... If its only for Haitians than perhaps you should move to an all Haitian forum... dont you think!!!


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#3 - Posted 14 July 2008, 4:13 PM
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How dare you... If its only for Haitians than perhaps you should move to an all Haitian forum... dont you think!!!


Carlos,

You are one ignorant bastard, do you know that? Your hating Haitians does not constitute to be a policy for the World Wide Web or for this web site. The last time I check, as a Dominican-Haitian, I have just as much right as you do to be on here and that is something you may never come to terms with, but that is your perogative.

Just because a title of a thread is addressed to a Haitian demographic based does not mean it is preventing others from reading it, only that the message in the thread is and to this such demographic. You are so caught up in your racist rant against Haiti and Haitian that you are even trying to prevent people from reaching out to fellow Haitians. Is there not a legal Haitian demographic living in the society of DR? Yes. Are there not Haitians who are members and frequent this site? Yes. Thus, this is not the dictatorship of Carlos' rule website, fortunately. It says only, so that incomprehensible racist Dominican like you would not even bother to go on this thread and read it simply to tarnish the positive message that is intended for those Haitians on here, living in DR or abroad.

Do you even get it? No I am sure you do not... Yeah, so because and under that premise of that fact of this Haitian constituent living in DR, this site is not and will never be limited to simply Dominicans alone and only regardless if you like it or not, you insociable racist supremacist prick.

PS: Accept it or not that even if you yourself were to have a website online regardless if it was to say CarlosToday.com it would not be able to keep people of all walks of life from wanting to get on it. However, are we not so glad that it does not say CarlosToday.com huh (l l)?
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#4 - Posted 15 July 2008, 10:05 AM
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Quote:
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How dare you... If its only for Haitians than perhaps you should move to an all Haitian forum... dont you think!!!


Carlos,

You are one ignorant bastard, do you know that? Your hating Haitians does not constitute to be a policy for the World Wide Web or for this web site. The last time I check, as a Dominican-Haitian, I have just as much right as you do to be on here and that is something you may never come to terms with, but that is your perogative.

Just because a title of a thread is addressed to a Haitian demographic based does not mean it is preventing others from reading it, only that the message in the thread is and to this such demographic. You are so caught up in your racist rant against Haiti and Haitian that you are even trying to prevent people from reaching out to fellow Haitians. Is there not a legal Haitian demographic living in the society of DR? Yes. Are there not Haitians who are members and frequent this site? Yes. Thus, this is not the dictatorship of Carlos' rule website, fortunately. It says only, so that incomprehensible racist Dominican like you would not even bother to go on this thread and read it simply to tarnish the positive message that is intended for those Haitians on here, living in DR or abroad.

Do you even get it? No I am sure you do not... Yeah, so because and under that premise of that fact of this Haitian constituent living in DR, this site is not and will never be limited to simply Dominicans alone and only regardless if you like it or not, you insociable racist supremacist prick.

PS: Accept it or not that even if you yourself were to have a website online regardless if it was to say CarlosToday.com it would not be able to keep people of all walks of life from wanting to get on it. However, are we not so glad that it does not say CarlosToday.com huh (l l)?



YOU'RE NOT DOMINICAN... GET IT !!!

this is DOMINICANTODAY... Not Haititoday... Dominicans don't like you, in spite of your many efforts you're still a Haitian invader
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#5 - Posted 15 July 2008, 3:36 PM
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CarlosFranco previously said:

Quote:
AfroLatino previously said:

Quote:
CarlosFranco previously said:


How dare you... If its only for Haitians than perhaps you should move to an all Haitian forum... dont you think!!!


Carlos,

You are one ignorant bastard, do you know that? Your hating Haitians does not constitute to be a policy for the World Wide Web or for this web site. The last time I check, as a Dominican-Haitian, I have just as much right as you do to be on here and that is something you may never come to terms with, but that is your perogative.

Just because a title of a thread is addressed to a Haitian demographic based does not mean it is preventing others from reading it, only that the message in the thread is and to this such demographic. You are so caught up in your racist rant against Haiti and Haitian that you are even trying to prevent people from reaching out to fellow Haitians. Is there not a legal Haitian demographic living in the society of DR? Yes. Are there not Haitians who are members and frequent this site? Yes. Thus, this is not the dictatorship of Carlos' rule website, fortunately. It says only, so that incomprehensible racist Dominican like you would not even bother to go on this thread and read it simply to tarnish the positive message that is intended for those Haitians on here, living in DR or abroad.

Do you even get it? No I am sure you do not... Yeah, so because and under that premise of that fact of this Haitian constituent living in DR, this site is not and will never be limited to simply Dominicans alone and only regardless if you like it or not, you insociable racist supremacist prick.

PS: Accept it or not that even if you yourself were to have a website online regardless if it was to say CarlosToday.com it would not be able to keep people of all walks of life from wanting to get on it. However, are we not so glad that it does not say CarlosToday.com huh (l l)?



YOU'RE NOT DOMINICAN... GET IT !!!

this is DOMINICANTODAY... Not Haititoday... Dominicans don't like you, in spite of your many efforts you're still a Haitian invader


Okay,

Let us even say hypothetically I was not Dominican even if or regardless my mother, my grandmother and her families are from DR, but let us just say I was not. How is that constitute an insult when you say or tell someone they are not Dominican, you imbecile racist ignorant, how? Well, sure buddy I am whatever you say I am, and you are... or should I say, are you... Do us all a favor, tell us of your family ancestries are from again? Go ahead tell us Carlos... and here is a link yo help you out and get your fury going http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/dominican/antihaiti.htm

P.S: Remember, I have your recorded typed stated version by you already, so be exact and concise as far as telling the truth.
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#6 - Posted 15 July 2008, 4:10 PM
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You clearly favor your "Haitian" side. C'mon man, If I were to do that on a Haitians website. I would get screamed at by posters as well. It's only right since you are pushing another people's agenda on a site. If you weren't doing it in such a divisive way than that wouldn't be an issue. You shouldn't redicle someone and then expect to shake hands after. I mean, you have to be careful with you say and how you say it. I hope you don't expect ppl to accept you with open arms when you are doing nothing harming and defaming Dominicans. Yes, you are part, Dominican and so what?? You are disrepecting yourself, DR, and Dominicans all over. Let's push for peace and not division. The post you just put up is geared to the wrong audience bro. Most ppl are Dominican on here.
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#7 - Posted 15 July 2008, 5:03 PM
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You clearly favor your "Haitian" side. C'mon man, If I were to do that on a Haitians website. I would get screamed at by posters as well. It's only right since you are pushing another people's agenda on a site. If you weren't doing it in such a divisive way than that wouldn't be an issue. You shouldn't redicle someone and then expect to shake hands after. I mean, you have to be careful with you say and how you say it. I hope you don't expect ppl to accept you with open arms when you are doing nothing harming and defaming Dominicans. Yes, you are part, Dominican and so what?? You are disrepecting yourself, DR, and Dominicans all over. Let's push for peace and not division. The post you just put up is geared to the wrong audience bro. Most ppl are Dominican on here.



Hey NY4LIFE,

Here is a ghost I have not read from in a while! Where have you been buddy? Listen man, I have not once denied that I am not somehow a little bit more in favor of Haitians, but I am or do so only with the present knowledge of the dynamic of the situation between the two nations as to who has been victimize the most but overall I am in favor of humanity and he humane ways human rights are to be respected no matter the hues.

Hypocritically enough, there has not been an approach or and if any from anyone whom have come forward with certain stances for peace on here that DR or should I say most Dominicans on here have not opposed, dismissed and ridiculed or have not found to be divisive or offensive as thought the words of a peaceful respective amicably Haiti and DR should not be mentioned or spoken of.

No approaches has ever been good enough in the eyes of many Dominicans even when the approach has been initiated by someone who is Dominican him or herself, so let us be real and not surreal. I am not disrespecting DR nor Dominicans anymore or less that or than DR or most Dominicans have been disrespecting, defaming and denigrating Haiti and Haitians.

Indeed, you would not ridiculed, tarnish and exclusively discriminating against someone and expect to shake hands right after. I mean, when has most Dominicans on here and as permitted by this site have ever been careful with what they say and how they say it when they are harming and hatching Haitians on here? Thus I hope you do not expect Haitian people or anyone to actually accept most Dominicans' derogatory and condescending charges against Haitians and expect Haitians to look the other way simply because the name of this site says DominicanToday now, do you?

Exactly and indeed I like that. I am part Dominican just as I am part Haitian as well and yeah... so what? However that has not been the tenor being uphold by some Dominicans on here trying to say me or other Haitians do not have the right to be on the Net of a World Wide Web website simply because it is called DominicanToday.com when there is an existing constituent of Haitian residents legal or illegal or not living in DR which most consider their homes.

As the title of the thread says "FOR THOSE HAITIANS ON HERE, LIVING IN DR OR ANYWHERE ABROAD" and the actual title and subtitle of the article is
HAITI'S CHANGE: The Plain And Simple Targeted Demographic.
The Haitian Diasporas, The Elites, The Artists, The Haitian Media And Their Roles.



This message caters to them, but nor did I object any Dominicans from reading, listen to it if they ever were to make the effort to go out of their comfort zone to understand what the song is saying or if they so have chosen to have done so at all. Nevertheless as typically expected, I know most Dominicans would read it anyway as I also encourage it, and I hope you have read the P.S: and understood what it says, I know you can read plain English now NY4LIFE as why I try to always break my statements into paragraphs such as this one with smaller paragraphs for you and always with P.S's:

So indeed let us push for peace and not division and the post I posted is geared toward a demographic which exists in DR and happen to be Haitian and I wanted them to see the message which was a positive message with a very inspirational video song and has been even the very tone that even most Dominicans have been accusing Haitians of not doing. There is not way, shape or form in this post is there anything defaming and harmful to DR and Dominicans and I once agains I hope you read the P.S: at the very end. There has been nothing defaming and derogatory and discriminative in this post about or against Dominicans at all here.

So contradicting and conflicting on stances enough of most Dominicans with illusive and delusive known mantras, there is no wrong gearing of wrong audience to be reached here since many members on here happens to be Haitians as well and regardless if most or more people on here are indeed happen to be Dominicans. The absurdity of this is all is like a person would not have the right to reach out to a certain ethnic and constituent based group here in the US simply because the population of the Country is predominantly consisted of Whites being he majority. Thus sarcastically if I must state: Where is the peace and not division coming from again?
Edited on 7/17/2008 1:47 PM by AfroLatino.
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#8 - Posted 16 July 2008, 4:54 PM
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Is there a problem with him acknowledging his Haitian side more.....,ny4life.
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Wil does establish a valid point on this thread. You might want to bite my head off after saying this, souviens, but, if there's a troubling thing that I have been observing on the haitian diaspora, is their relative lack of interest in getting engaged on the haitian mainland affairs, at least were one to compare it with the behaviour that what one can see on the dominican diaspora, which can't seem to forget their island party affiliations (PRD, PLD, etc..) even when having decades living on the US, showing a surprising disregard for the politics of the latter, and whose main ambition is to stockpile enough resources in order to return to the island to live the rest of their days at ease.
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Wil makes a good point, but one wonders how many members of the target audience are even on this board.
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