| #11 - Posted 17 July 2008, 1:40 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Laut and Manha, I really truly wish you guys knew Creole, French so that you could have understood this song in this video. Creole is not a bad language, you know. It is a fascinating language and it can be in my view, the most liberating language whether or not one knows how to properly write it or not. I hope you will get a dear Haitian friend around your way to translate for you. I kind of grew up listening to this song and I believe this song came out right after Jean-Claude Duvalier (son) left Haiti. Perhaps JeMeSouviens might translate for you guys... I simply love that song the most among many other ones I have and I will post on here. PS: I always say to people, "Creole is my first natal and innate language, French is my second taught and learned one, Spanish my surrogate one of my mothers and lastly English my rediscovered and realized one." Listen to this song people! Edited on 7/17/2008 1:49 PM by AfroLatino. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #12 - Posted 17 July 2008, 4:13 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | My Goal For A Future Haiti Includes Greater Relations With DR. MY PLAN FOR A NEW HAITIAN ARMED FORCES IN 2025. By Wilgeens "AfroLatino" Rosenberg. Am I to be part of, or eventually wish and desire perhaps there be once again a Haitian Armed Forces in Haiti one day? Yes, I do as on paper the Army still exists. Do I desire to become president of Haiti one day? My answer is affirmatively, certainly and definitively NO, period. By the way, my long term desired dream career and passion is FILM and to work in the domain that caters to social improvements and greater relations between the Haitian and Dominican Republic of the Island of Hispaniola. Thus never the desire to become Haiti's president one day has ever been one of my ambitions. Rather or instead my future goal for Haiti is to revitalize the Haitian Armed Forces if ever it will be or shall be re-established so that it becomes a well respective reputable Institution where young Haitian men and women can learn how to love and serve and respect their Country sot hat we do not have this many easy to manipulate corrupted politicians as we do today in Haiti's political arena. As this new Haitian Armed Forces will be kept away from any political affiliations and will be only under the overall directive of the Country's Commander In Chief, its Generals and lastly the Country's Congressional Branch. As also in addition, this improved Armed Forces will be used as an alternative means and tools for young Haitian men and women to get an education and future jobs in or outside this Armed Forces as this re-established Armed Forces will be more like a Corp De Genie and will be decentralized throughout the provincial Country sides of Haiti given that bases will be built in other regions of Haiti for training, schooling and Military Tactical Exercises that will instill pride, valor and integrity in those young men and women in adopting a true sense of civic duty and sets of dignified codes and values. This new Armed Forces I hope will be consisting of an ARMY, NAVY and possibly AIR FORCE if and when Haiti can or will be able to afford to and I would bring back "LA MARINE HAITIENNE" to be more on the medical help it once was for scholars in Haiti in the study of Oceanic Marina studies and conservation. This Armed Forces will have other regional departmental sub-divisions that will be considered as something similar to the Reserves and National Guard that will be primarily be themselves under the directive of hopefully assigned Mayoral or Governors jurisdictions. P.S: The only military Branches that would be left in Haiti would be first the Presidential and the Department Of Defense Concierge. Second, a Sustainable Immediate or Intermediate Deployable Response Striking Team would be dispersed and allocated throughout the Country's major large cities principally Port-Au-Prince in the event of additional troops is needed to assist the Police Forces or in case of Emergencies such as natural disasters, Chaos Control, border security patrol to work in conjunction joint operation and corporation with others in the Caribbean and Latin-Americas and so forth. I repeat, my goal for a Future New Haiti does includes and involve indeed greater relations with our next door neighbor same Island inhabitants dearly the Dominican Republic thought peaceful accords and civil amicability for a prosperous Hispaniola. IMPORTANT NOTE TO READ: This draft is welcomed to suggestions, recommendations and ideas in favor or pertaining to this plan for a new Haitian Armed Forces in Haiti. Edited on 7/17/2008 4:56 PM by AfroLatino. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #13 - Posted 17 July 2008, 4:51 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 1396 | Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: How dare you... If its only for Haitians than perhaps you should move to an all Haitian forum... dont you think!!! Carlos, You are one ignorant bastard, do you know that? Your hating Haitians does not constitute to be a policy for the World Wide Web or for this web site. The last time I check, as a Dominican-Haitian, I have just as much right as you do to be on here and that is something you may never come to terms with, but that is your perogative. Just because a title of a thread is addressed to a Haitian demographic based does not mean it is preventing others from reading it, only that the message in the thread is and to this such demographic. You are so caught up in your racist rant against Haiti and Haitian that you are even trying to prevent people from reaching out to fellow Haitians. Is there not a legal Haitian demographic living in the society of DR? Yes. Are there not Haitians who are members and frequent this site? Yes. Thus, this is not the dictatorship of Carlos' rule website, fortunately. It says only, so that incomprehensible racist Dominican like you would not even bother to go on this thread and read it simply to tarnish the positive message that is intended for those Haitians on here, living in DR or abroad. Do you even get it? No I am sure you do not... Yeah, so because and under that premise of that fact of this Haitian constituent living in DR, this site is not and will never be limited to simply Dominicans alone and only regardless if you like it or not, you insociable racist supremacist prick. PS: Accept it or not that even if you yourself were to have a website online regardless if it was to say CarlosToday.com it would not be able to keep people of all walks of life from wanting to get on it. However, are we not so glad that it does not say CarlosToday.com huh (l YOU'RE NOT DOMINICAN... GET IT !!! this is DOMINICANTODAY... Not Haititoday... Dominicans don't like you, in spite of your many efforts you're still a Haitian invader Okay, Let us even say hypothetically I was not Dominican even if or regardless my mother, my grandmother and her families are from DR, but let us just say I was not. How is that constitute an insult when you say or tell someone they are not Dominican, you imbecile racist ignorant, how? Well, sure buddy I am whatever you say I am, and you are... or should I say, are you... P.S: Remember, I have your recorded typed stated version by you already, so be exact and concise as far as telling the truth. My ancestry... Here it is: From my father side: Four brothers came from Galicia in the late 1860's to the island. Two of them settled in El Cibao... one went to Cuba the other to Colombia. The family never heard from them again... From my mothers side: We hailed from Andalucia. which explains my arab looking features. My grandfather before dying told me that his mother was born in DR but his aunt was born in Spain and came to island when she was 5 years old. This was in 2001 a year before my grandfathers death... He was 77 years old... so we're talking probably around the 1860's or 70's... HAPPY ? You Dominican wannabe |
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| #14 - Posted 17 July 2008, 5:22 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1585 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Franco that you cast doubt on Wil's claim to being Dominican is a bit strange considering this news of your family's rather recent arrival to the island. Whether from Spain or Africa bear in mind it's a longer way back to 1500s in many families... Edited on 7/17/2008 5:24 PM by Manhattanite. |
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| #15 - Posted 17 July 2008, 5:33 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad Only! Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: How dare you... If its only for Haitians than perhaps you should move to an all Haitian forum... dont you think!!! Carlos, You are one ignorant bastard, do you know that? Your hating Haitians does not constitute to be a policy for the World Wide Web or for this web site. The last time I check, as a Dominican-Haitian, I have just as much right as you do to be on here and that is something you may never come to terms with, but that is your perogative. Just because a title of a thread is addressed to a Haitian demographic based does not mean it is preventing others from reading it, only that the message in the thread is and to this such demographic. You are so caught up in your racist rant against Haiti and Haitian that you are even trying to prevent people from reaching out to fellow Haitians. Is there not a legal Haitian demographic living in the society of DR? Yes. Are there not Haitians who are members and frequent this site? Yes. Thus, this is not the dictatorship of Carlos' rule website, fortunately. It says only, so that incomprehensible racist Dominican like you would not even bother to go on this thread and read it simply to tarnish the positive message that is intended for those Haitians on here, living in DR or abroad. Do you even get it? No I am sure you do not... Yeah, so because and under that premise of that fact of this Haitian constituent living in DR, this site is not and will never be limited to simply Dominicans alone and only regardless if you like it or not, you insociable racist supremacist prick. PS: Accept it or not that even if you yourself were to have a website online regardless if it was to say CarlosToday.com it would not be able to keep people of all walks of life from wanting to get on it. However, are we not so glad that it does not say CarlosToday.com huh (l YOU'RE NOT DOMINICAN... GET IT !!! this is DOMINICANTODAY... Not Haititoday... Dominicans don't like you, in spite of your many efforts you're still a Haitian invader Okay, Let us even say hypothetically I was not Dominican even if or regardless my mother, my grandmother and her families are from DR, but let us just say I was not. How is that constitute an insult when you say or tell someone they are not Dominican, you imbecile racist ignorant, how? Well, sure buddy I am whatever you say I am, and you are... or should I say, are you... P.S: Remember, I have your recorded typed stated version by you already, so be exact and concise as far as telling the truth. My ancestry... Here it is: From my father side: Four brothers came from Galicia in the late 1860's to the island. Two of them settled in El Cibao... one went to Cuba the other to Colombia. The family never heard from them again... From my mothers side: We hailed from Andalucia. which explains my arab looking features. My grandfather before dying told me that his mother was born in DR but his aunt was born in Spain and came to island when she was 5 years old. This was in 2001 a year before my grandfathers death... He was 77 years old... so we're talking probably around the 1860's or 70's... HAPPY ? You Dominican wannabe So let us compare you and myself to honestly determine who is closer to being a wannabe Dominican or not in order and the repetition of DR, Haiti thus the whole island of Hispaniola as to have more native ties to than the other. Follow the colors and how they are repeated so let's see... (Jeopardy theme song playing). YOU: Galicia, Andalucia, Spain, Dominican Republic. ME: Haiti, Dominican Republic, Israel & Syria, and again Dominican Republic, Haiti. and lastly more whole than you... Hispaniola Well Here Is My Ancestry And Here It Is: My grandfather on my mother's side was born in Haiti of both Haitian parents My grandmother on my mother's side was born in Dominican Republic of both Dominican parents. My grandfather on my father's side was born in Haiti and lived in Sosua, DR of an Israelite father and Syrian mother. Thus Mediterranean or Middle East. My grandmother on my father's side was born in Haiti of both Haitian parents. My mother was born in Puerto Plata, DR and grew up back and forth on both sides of the Island of Hispaniola of a Haitian father and a Dominican mother. My father was born in Southern Haiti, spent all his adult life in Paris, France of a Hatian mother and a both Israelite & Syrian father of Middle Easter parents. December 27, 1979 I was born on a KLM Plane coming from France in Haitian Air Territory while my parents were going through their divorce. I was brought to a Haitian Hospital in Fermathe, Haiti where my birth was finalized and gained my Haitian Nationality and Birth Certificates. I grew up on the Island of Hispaniola back and forth in both Haitian and Dominican Republic up until I was 8 years old and came to the US. Almost every year, or every other year or two, I go to both DR and Haiti as I have been in many missionary work on both sides of the Island to include military assigned tasks for the US States Department. Most of my relatives on both side of my family either born or raise on either or and both side of the Island of Hispaniola. Some are born in DR, some are born in Haiti and constant traveling between the two Countries and legally might I add. P.S: Anyway, it does not matter if I was only Haitian as I take pride on being so. In other words, if I was, so what? Shamefully enough for you, I still would have been, I still am and still will be more Hispaniolan than you would ever be or wish and desire to be. I suppose luckily I am of both and more Dominican than you could ever dream of being and because of that I am of the Island and both nations more you could ever wish to be, I am in a far way better position to be able to talk about Haitian & Dominican affairs which are considerably my affairs and is more personal to me than it could ever be to you even if I was to have been just only Haitian, you tourist foreigner looking and claimant of heritage of my Island I see. Hey gringo tourista, get the hell out of here, your time has been outspent and you have worn your welcome. Wow, funny and ironically how after all I have more right of being on this site than you do (lol)! And oh, while you are thinking about that here is a special thinking song specially made for for you in your reflection. You are way too funny (l Edited on 7/18/2008 3:55 AM by AfroLatino. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #16 - Posted 17 July 2008, 8:21 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE CONCRETE. By Wilgeens "AfroLatino" Rosenberg. "The future is not a gift, it is an achievement. Every generation helps make its own future. This is the essential challenge of the present." Robert F. Kennedy. Arrogance, pride and ignorance has cost many the joy of victorious battle that could have easily been won with grace or settled with civil humility. Thus ego is often the every element which causes one or many to never wish and learn to put aside their differences, their hatred and resentments to think outside the box and to march toward a common goal, "the" greater goal. As once a poster named JeMeSouviens once said "The overhauling of the national police force is the key to providing adequate security" to allow room for progression economically and socially to advance and grow. Haiti's economical future begins with a secure Haiti, Haiti's social success begins with a secure Haiti and lastly Haiti's political rest beings with a secure Haiti. Obama said "if one voice can change a room, it can change a city. And if it can a city, it can change a state,. And if can change a state, it can change a nation. Then if it can change a nation, then surely it can change the world. Then, let us go change the world people." Dear friends, let us go change Haiti. What is and what I find to be more brainwashed for most Haitians is, the fact that they have giving in into the despair of hopelessness away from possibilities and passion for change from the hope they once had as a brave Nation they once were. P.S: "At times peace is or can be a lie, but truly here is only passion and hope. So through one's dream and passion one gains strength, through strength and will one gains power, through power and persistence one gains victory and through victory one's chains are broken. Thus those are the Forces which and shall free thee." — The Sith Code. "It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation. Yes we can. It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail toward freedom. Yes we can. It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness. Yes we can. It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the ballots; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land. Yes we can to justice and equality. Yes we can to opportunity and prosperity. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can repair this world. Yes we can. We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change. We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics...they will only grow louder and more dissonant ........... We've been asked to pause for a reality check. We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope. But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope. Now the hopes of the little girl who goes to a crumbling school in Dillon are the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of LA; we will remember that there is something happening in America; that we are not as divided as our politics suggests; that we are one people; we are one nation; and together, we will begin the next great chapter in the American story with three words that will ring from coast to coast; from sea to shining sea -- Yes. We. Can." - Barack Obama. Edited on 7/17/2008 8:40 PM by AfroLatino. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #17 - Posted 17 July 2008, 8:28 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 337 Posts: 596 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Recommended highly for you Afro-Latino - http://www.haitianforum.com/ Arcatype |
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| #18 - Posted 17 July 2008, 11:33 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 337 Posts: 596 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Arcatype |
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| #19 - Posted 18 July 2008, 1:33 AM | |
Location: United States, Spring Valley, NY Join date: December 2007 Member #: 142 Posts: 433 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. whats that supposed to do arcatype.......get the Haitians mad. For once in your lifetime...!!!! I know you love us but please man.......Give us a break papi !!!! Edited on 7/18/2008 12:07 PM by Moderator. j'ai vu J'ai participe Je me souvien - 1804 |
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| #20 - Posted 18 July 2008, 2:03 AM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 1396 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Franco that you cast doubt on Wil's claim to being Dominican is a bit strange considering this news of your family's rather recent arrival to the island. Whether from Spain or Africa bear in mind it's a longer way back to 1500s in many families... My fathers story can be confirm because we have pictures and drawings from our family... and my aunt has an album in her possession of picture of way back when... My mothers story is fuzzy at best... all i have is my grandfathers testimony and he died in 2002... on both accounts my family seemed to have arrived on the island in the late 19th century. |
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