| #61 - Posted 19 July 2008, 9:49 PM | |
Location: United States, NY Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 303 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. I commented and so can anyone else. Edited on 7/19/2008 11:46 PM by talia. Dios le bendiga! |
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| #62 - Posted 20 July 2008, 5:16 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Quote: talia previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: talia previously said: Tell me, is it so weird to have people and descendants that come from a country that completely borders the DR commenting on this forum or site? You know what? Why can't people be more secure with themselves and realize that even though there are two peoples residing side by side with different influences, beliefs and factions of biology- they can never truly dispell each other's significance. If this was a Haitian forum I would not be so stunned to see a Dominican poster. That's my piece. Well said and asked, Talia. Thank you!!! Thanx Wil. I also ask people to tell me who people like Alicia Keys are? Oh but see here's the thing, people of a truly balanced mixed heritage have what others might think as a confliction in identity where most of the time these ppl. (Alicia keys and the like) feel they are simply a mixture with the real biological avenue of discovering and resonating with two different influences at once. Is that so weird. If there are people who are Dominican and Haitian at 50/50, why can't they resonate with both. What so wrong with neutrality? Mami, I understand and there is nothing wrong with neutrality if you belong to both of certain races. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #63 - Posted 20 July 2008, 9:03 AM | |
Location: United States, NY Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 303 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. It wasn't towards you Wil I was just commenting on the fact that you and others of similar bloodline shouldn't have to choose or shouldn't be ostracized b/c they are not 100% this or 100% that. No one with such lineage should feel forced into thinking that it has to be one or the other. And I realize that sometimes when someone of this nature wants to be affiliated culturally with one of there sides, if they don't look like the ideal or desired look of the culture they may not recieve the warmest welcome. Look if the guy or girl wants to resonate with what's in his or her blood- then let it go. So maybe he/she doesn't look like most of you back home, but they can't because they're mixed and their genotype is influenced by both races. This is one of the reason even in the US you hear people of mixed heritage having identity issues- partly due to the fact they have another racial influence and for that they cannot resonate with both of their cultures. I wish others would just get over it, would ya?! Edited on 7/20/2008 9:06 AM by talia. Dios le bendiga! |
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| #64 - Posted 20 July 2008, 1:48 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 1396 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "My fathers story can be confirm because we have pictures and drawings from our family... and my aunt has an album in her possession of picture of way back when... My mothers story is fuzzy at best... all i have is my grandfathers testimony and he died in 2002... on both accounts my family seemed to have arrived on the island in the late 19th century. " LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And this is a person that consider themselves the epitome of what it is to be a Dominican. Someone who's paternal line came over, according to dates provided by he himself, as a result of the odious spanish annexation and who's maternal line came over well into the republican period, in all probability some time during Hereaux's dictatorship. There are Dominicans of haitian descent with deeper roots in Dominican society and that's a fact. My family were cibaeños even before there was such a thing as a Dominican Republic. The machetes of my ancestors helped forge the Dominican nation. My roots from outside the island have long been moot. I laugh at you Mr. Franco. By the way explaining away supposed "Arab" features as some trait inherited from some supposed southern spaniard ancestors has been a common technique used by hispanic mixed-bloods, particularly mulattoes, for some time to hide their true racial composition. I refer anyone who wishes to research my before mentioned statement to the work of J. A. Rogers. Still ranting low comments ? ? Am I less dominican than you becuase my family has lived on the island for 140 years as opposed to 500? Can you prove your ancestry ?? So what if haitians like Afro-Jewish?-Latino has had more time on the island... SO WHAT Also my family, and am pretty sure by the facts i mentioned previously... that my family came after the war of restoration... not before or during and way before Lili... Get your timeline in line... LOL PS My family fought fought in the April War and some were killed when they opposed Trujillo... Is that good enough for you Cibaeno? Your contradiction is that your family fought against Trujillo which one would assume that you would be against Tyranny that is based on one's skin color, ethnic and background given you are an immigrant yourself. You are more of a foreigner to the Island and DR than than I am period my family have always been on and of the Island yours migrated on the Island from other different shores......................... Am an immigrant to DR ? ? ? Are you on DRUGS??? My mother and father and grandfathers were born in DR... What a DUMB FUCKING COMMENT... PS you do know that Blacks are not native to the land... You came from africa... so by you definition if I am an immigrant so are you!!! Edited on 7/20/2008 1:49 PM by CarlosFranco. |
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| #65 - Posted 20 July 2008, 2:49 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: January 2008 Member #: 272 Posts: 365 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. No one but the original Tainos have sole claim to the island but since they are no longer here to assert that claim, others have come and staked their claim. We've simply established the land as ours and have separated it into two governing states but naturally it wasn't ours to begin with. Spaniards, Frenchmen, and Africans, Middle Easterners, Asians, Jews, and the likes have all come to this island contributing to the essence of these two governing states we call Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Who cares who has what ancestry and who's ancestors were here the longest...truth is that every Haitian and every Dominican is an inhabitant of the island however all are products of immigration (forced or voluntarily) and miscegenation rendering all of this "claim talk" null and void. There really is no Hispaniola. There are common culture and historical links but in the end there is only Haiti and the Dominican Republic and therefore the concept of "one island" really doesn't exist. Hispaniola only exists on a geographical standpoint. My African ancestors were forcefully brought here and my French ancestors settled here. Both were part of Haitian society and their existence led to my existence. So in the end...who cares? Edited on 7/20/2008 2:51 PM by HAYkickyouintheSHIN. |
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| #66 - Posted 20 July 2008, 2:53 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "My fathers story can be confirm because we have pictures and drawings from our family... and my aunt has an album in her possession of picture of way back when... My mothers story is fuzzy at best... all i have is my grandfathers testimony and he died in 2002... on both accounts my family seemed to have arrived on the island in the late 19th century. " LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And this is a person that consider themselves the epitome of what it is to be a Dominican. Someone who's paternal line came over, according to dates provided by he himself, as a result of the odious spanish annexation and who's maternal line came over well into the republican period, in all probability some time during Hereaux's dictatorship. There are Dominicans of haitian descent with deeper roots in Dominican society and that's a fact. My family were cibaeños even before there was such a thing as a Dominican Republic. The machetes of my ancestors helped forge the Dominican nation. My roots from outside the island have long been moot. I laugh at you Mr. Franco. By the way explaining away supposed "Arab" features as some trait inherited from some supposed southern spaniard ancestors has been a common technique used by hispanic mixed-bloods, particularly mulattoes, for some time to hide their true racial composition. I refer anyone who wishes to research my before mentioned statement to the work of J. A. Rogers. Still ranting low comments ? ? Am I less dominican than you becuase my family has lived on the island for 140 years as opposed to 500? Can you prove your ancestry ?? So what if haitians like Afro-Jewish?-Latino has had more time on the island... SO WHAT Also my family, and am pretty sure by the facts i mentioned previously... that my family came after the war of restoration... not before or during and way before Lili... Get your timeline in line... LOL PS My family fought fought in the April War and some were killed when they opposed Trujillo... Is that good enough for you Cibaeno? Your contradiction is that your family fought against Trujillo which one would assume that you would be against Tyranny that is based on one's skin color, ethnic and background given you are an immigrant yourself. You are more of a foreigner to the Island and DR than than I am period my family have always been on and of the Island yours migrated on the Island from other different shores......................... Am an immigrant to DR ? ? ? Are you on DRUGS??? My mother and father and grandfathers were born in DR... What a DUMB FUCKING COMMENT... PS you do know that Blacks are not native to the land... You came from africa... so by you definition if I am an immigrant so are you!!! There you go fellow, I wanted you to come to this term precisely and exactly as you've said it above finally yourself. Thank you, you are done here by your own omission, recognition and once again her is your very own quote back at you. "So by your definition, if I am an immigrant so are you!" because and simply that most of us are indeed just that, immigrants yet indigenous to what world? Oh yeah Earth!!! As Dominican did not just happen in the face of the Earth or of the Island, especially and given they are a mixed race themselves of Africans, Europeans and oh yeah the supposedly romanticized idea of "Taino natives" which were claimed to have been extinct before any chance to have been repopulated to ever consider that many Dominicans would have been a direct descent of those Natives simply in effort to try to differentiate themselves to not want to be called Africans by ancestry simply because of their resented Anti-Haitiasmo feelings toward Haitians, but hey and thus anything else sounds better than to claim Africa due to negative stigmas. Well, on my mother's side her grandfather and great great frangfather of her mother were all born in DR and her other grandfather and great grandfather of her father were all born of either Haiti or a mixture of DR and HAITI thus innate of the Island. Even some of my father's ancestry though mix with being middle eastern, yet still part Haitian most of whom were born on the Island or have resided there for a long time as well thus surrogated innate of the Island. P.S: So the idea that you and Arc think you can tell who should be on this site or not to discuss Haitian & Dominican Republic matters and affaires simply because it says Dominican today even with the knowledge that there is a Haitian community in DR is repugnantly ridiculous. Edited on 7/20/2008 3:03 PM by AfroLatino. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #67 - Posted 20 July 2008, 3:05 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Quote: HAYkickyouintheSHIN previously said: No one but the original Tainos have sole claim to the island but since they are no longer here to assert that claim, others have come and staked their claim. We've simply established the land as ours and have separated it into two governing states but naturally it wasn't ours to begin with. Spaniards, Frenchmen, and Africans, Middle Easterners, Asians, Jews, and the likes have all come to this island contributing to the essence of these two governing states we call Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Who cares who has what ancestry and who's ancestors were here the longest...truth is that every Haitian and every Dominican is an inhabitant of the island however all are products of immigration (forced or voluntarily) and miscegenation rendering all of this "claim talk" null and void. There really is no Hispaniola. There are common culture and historical links but in the end there is only Haiti and the Dominican Republic and therefore the concept of "one island" really doesn't exist. Hispaniola only exists on a geographical standpoint. My African ancestors were forcefully brought here and my French ancestors settled here. Both were part of Haitian society and their existence led to my existence. So in the end...who cares? Well put and said, HayShin and thank you!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #68 - Posted 20 July 2008, 3:06 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Quote: talia previously said: It wasn't towards you Wil I was just commenting on the fact that you and others of similar bloodline shouldn't have to choose or shouldn't be ostracized b/c they are not 100% this or 100% that. No one with such lineage should feel forced into thinking that it has to be one or the other. And I realize that sometimes when someone of this nature wants to be affiliated culturally with one of there sides, if they don't look like the ideal or desired look of the culture they may not recieve the warmest welcome. Look if the guy or girl wants to resonate with what's in his or her blood- then let it go. So maybe he/she doesn't look like most of you back home, but they can't because they're mixed and their genotype is influenced by both races. This is one of the reason even in the US you hear people of mixed heritage having identity issues- partly due to the fact they have another racial influence and for that they cannot resonate with both of their cultures. I wish others would just get over it, would ya?! Oh I know it was not towards me ma, I was just saying that I agreed with your analysis. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #69 - Posted 20 July 2008, 3:12 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: January 2008 Member #: 272 Posts: 365 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Thanks AfroLatino. This incessant and constant bickering over things that we have no control over is mentally aggravating at the very least. |
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| #70 - Posted 20 July 2008, 3:31 PM | |
Location: United States, NY Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 303 | RE: For Those Haitians On Here, Living In DR Or Anywhere Abroad. Dust to dust, ashes to ashes. Lets resonate with our humanity before anything else. Dios le bendiga! |
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