Ciba,

Simply leave this fool alone and ignore him kid. He is a waste of your breath man. Take my word on that. Right now, he is compiling, manipulating his own facts and supposedly evidence to come back with so me more divisive Anti-Haitiasmo ideas since he has been proven to be a racist by both Haitians and Dominican alike. He sees it that way, if a Dominican is not against Haitians like he is, so he is against that Dominican.

My family and by that i mean some young-nothing to lose uncles of mine, opposed Trujillo for the abuses committed against dominicans... not because he order El Corte....

Well, why thank you for clarifying that for us again sir. I simply wanted to make sure I was right and stood corrected of your contradictions (lol).

Yes by family by that you meant some young-nothing to lose uncles of yours which genetically such apple did not fall far from that family tree herein there you are in the flesh. Wow, this clarification is way much better indeed so I suppose we thank you for this new founding hole you have dug yourself.

Ya, it makes more sense now and is more apparent as to who we have already known you to be for so long.

So in order for me to embrace my families legacy i should support free border crossing ? ? ? Be happy about millions of haitians coming to my country mean while my people eat shit...


I don't feel anthagonistic about haiti for her black skin people, cuz i don't hate jamaicans, African Americans or any other type of black, but haiti has been a thorn in DR's ass since her founding and as a history major, it's hard to forget!!!

Haiti and DR have always had free border crossings as long one has a valid pasaporte and this policy gets restrictive only and except during and in time of supposedly conflict or unrest from one side or the other.

It is unfortunate that many Haitians indeed, poorer than poor Haitians cannot afford to have passport nor the time because they are more eager looking for the welfare and well being of trying to provide for their family. When it was the other way around when Haiti had a better economy than DR, Dominicans used to go to Haiti in flocks. And in fact even today as Haiti is this much of a thorn in DR's ass as you have put it, thousands of Dominicans still go to Haiti as well to go create sex brothels and work the late night Casinos and exploit to workforce in Haiti by visibly manage to hire only people who are light skinned or resemble Dominican in Haiti and still try to pay Haitians even in Haiti bellow the job rate pay.

I am not against someone or anyone for being pro-border controlled security but I ask they do so with humanity and lots of consideration with regard to human rights. Which is why I always propose that both Nations to try to have better real foreign relations that can promote both Nations to become more stable economically and socially which is the Governmental responsibility of both Nations to try as best and as should to provide opportunities for their Citizens.

Take a look at this video and this is what your stance is like this lady in the video: So your security concern is only geared towards Haitians who are inhabitant of the same Island with Dominicans yet that same level of focus is not being enforced for the exodus of many tourist with different backgrounds from other Countries especially if they are Whites who some of whom are illegals and never be bothered with.



Oh sure you do not discriminate as long that someone is not Haitian. RIGHT, all you ask is that they are not Haitian!

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I haven't read all of the post on this thread but would like to know the point of all of this. I find here defending who has the most right to be what. Frankly, what's the big deal of haitian/dominican lineage. It's been going on for centuries on both sides of the island and this bickering still isn't out of fashion. The ironic thing about all this is an immigrant children from argentina,usa, colombia and europe will look at the natives of both countries (Haiti/DR with their nose up high to treat you as less in your own damn country. So please stop with all this childish bickering of who is what and has the more right both of you guys will be serving coffee to the descendants mention above.

AfroLatino indeed dominicans have been going to haiti for as long as long as the two countries separated but we have to understand that there are guidelines. We Haitians can't just cross the border without the proper documents and vice versa. Dominicans are also careless when it comes to respecting laws and move to Haiti without documents but this shouldn't be the case for either one. I say that DR is the easiest country for a haitian to migrate to legally since all they have to do is go to dominican consulate and pay x amount for the type of visa request and stop by the next day to pick it up and off to DR. It isn't ok for my people to just cross the border and say hey im here because DR is a separate country my friend with their own jurisdiction. I have to say we must follow the guidlines and vice versa. And why always make things racial? Saying that dominicans hire light skin to do a specific job is also something we practice. It's not only them since we do it as well.

CarlosFranco,

You have to realise that you dont live in the DR and dont face the challenges everyday like your counterparts. Haitians are an intricate part of the dominican society whether you like it or not and rather than bitch about it why not try to improve the quality of life of all humans that live on dominican soil. If DR didn't have haitian migrants it would not have developed in such a short period of time. The metro was built mainly by haitian workers long hours and dedication for you in the States to have a false since that DR has arrived just a mere fact of having a metro. Think my friend..

Wil, just posting this for ya. Nothin' you don't know already. I got it from the Human Rights Watch website. Guess these are mere examples of the lives of some illigal Haitians in the DR. It's hard but the little stories are their realities.


J.G., age 58, was born in Haiti but as a young man he moved to the Dominican Republic, where he worked as a sugar cane cutter for nearly forty years. One day in October 2000, he was stopped by Dominican migration police on his way home from work and deported to Haiti.
J.G. wasn't allowed to inform his wife and three children that he was being deported. Because their home has no phone, he has not been able to call his wife since arriving in Haiti.

Anxious to inform his wife of his whereabouts, J.G. told Human Rights Watch: "I can't continue without her."



The son of this elderly man died in the custody of the Dominican military in April 2001, in a town located at the northern border with Haiti. Border police told the son's wife that he had died of disease, but other prisoners said that he was beaten to death by police.
"We knew he wasn't sick because his wife saw him every day," said the dead man's father, who was never allowed to see his son's body.

The small boy, age 5, is the dead man's son.



This young Haitian woman was deported from the Dominican Republic in December 1999, when she was six months pregnant. Soldiers picked her up from a market and sent her to the border in the back of a large truck.
They did not allow her to inform anyone, even the baby's father, that she was being deported.




Many Haitians live in "bateyes": enclaves, generally bordering on sugar cane fields, which house cane cutters. Their living conditions are extremely poor.
In a 1999 report, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights criticized the bateyes' "overcrowding, lack of hygiene, of drinking water, and of latrines."

The very worst lodgings of the bateyes are found in the tin-roofed "barracks." The barracks where these men live have no furnishings except for metal bunk beds without mattresses.



The hands of a 62-year-old Haitian man who has worked all his life cutting cane in the Dominican Republic. Sugar cane cutters in this region near Barahona, in the southwest Dominican Republic, said that they earned between 20 and 60 pesos a day: from U.S. $1.25 to U.S. $4.


I know this is kind of like old news but just posting but its still holds some relevence in the DR today.
The sad part of this is in many ways the Haitian governent drove these people to this plight. None of them should have to leave Haiti, but when they do this is what happens. You can realize this in the living of the sugar cane cutter its hard but he may tell you at least he has something to put in his mouth at the end of the day. Where many times this might only be a dream back home for him.