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greenpeace2 previously said:

The carbon dating methods used for those dates are proven totally unreliable. You should know that.

You have faith in suppositions! In Theories.

The age of the universe was not found by Carbon Dating

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greenpeace2 previously said:
Question AC: how does the LAW ( not theory - rock solid proven law ) of Thermo Dynamics prove evolution as impossible.

(Hint: explosions do not produce more complex matter, they destroy!

Wow. You know your physics huh?
Funny how you didn't know that matter cannot be created or destroyed...only changed.

But back to the Law of thermodynamics.

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This idea has been put forward by many people to try to prove that evolution is impossible. However, it is based on a flawed understanding of the second law of thermodynamics, and in fact, the theory of evolution does not contradict any known laws of physics.

The second law of thermodynamics simply says that the entropy of a closed system will tend to increase with time. "Entropy" is a technical term with a precise physical definition, but for most purposes it is okay to think of it as equivalent to "disorder". Therefore, the second law of thermodynamics basically says that the universe as a whole gets more disordered and random as time goes on.

However, the most important part of the second law of thermodynamics is that it only applies to a closed system - one that does not have anything going in or out of it. There is nothing about the second law that prevents one part of a closed system from getting more ordered, as long as another part of the system is getting more disordered.

There are many examples from everyday life that prove it is possible to create order! For example, you'd certainly agree that a person is capable of taking a pile of wood and nails and constructing a building out of it. The wood and nails have become more ordered, but in doing the work required to make the building, the person has generated heat which goes into increasing the overall entropy of the universe.

Or, if you prefer an example that doesn't require conscious human intervention, consider what happens when the weather changes and it gets colder outside. Cold air has less entropy than warm air - basically, it is more "ordered" because the molecules aren't moving around as much and have fewer places they can be. So the entropy in your local part of the universe has decreased, but as long as that is accompanied by an increase in entropy somewhere else, the second law of thermodynamics has not been violated.

That's the general picture - nature is capable of generating order out of disorder on a local level without violating the second law of thermodynamics, and that is all that evolution requires.

The idea of evolution is simply that random genetic mutations will occasionally occur that lead an individual organism to have some trait that is different from that of its predecessors. Now, it is true that these mutations, being random, would probably tend to increase the "entropy" of the population as a whole if they occurred in isolation (i.e., in a closed system). That is, most of the mutations will create individual organisms that are less "ordered" (i.e., less complex) and only some will create individual organisms that are more complex, so overall, the complexity goes down.

However, evolution does not take place in a closed system, but rather requires the existence of outside forces - i.e., natural selection. The idea is that there can be some environmental effect that makes organisms with a particular mutation (one that makes them more "complex"

more likely to survive and pass their genes on to the next generation. Thus, as generations go by, the gene pool of the species can get more and more complex, but notice that this can only occur if the gene pool interacts with the outside world. It is through the course of that interaction that some other form of entropy (or disorder) will be generated that increases the entropy of the universe as a whole.

If the above is too esoteric, consider a simple analogy: a poker tournament. In poker, good hands are less likely to be dealt than bad ones - for example, the odds of getting three of a kind are much less than the odds of getting two of a kind. So in a poker tournament, most people will be dealt bad hands and only a few will be lucky enough to be dealt good hands. But it is the people with good hands who will be more likely to win and "survive" to the next round. So the "outside forces" (in this case, the rules of poker) acting on a random distribution (all the poker hands that were dealt) will tend to select out the best, least likely ones.

Proof of dreadlocks Bigotry.
"....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment?......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages."
: I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY POSTS BY THE BIGOT KNOWN AS DREADLOCKS.

#49 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:38 PM
greenpeace2 Location: Dominican Republic Join date: December 2009 Member #: 4116 Posts: 1603	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: The carbon dating methods used for those dates are proven totally unreliable. You should know that. You have faith in suppositions! In Theories. The age of the universe was not found by Carbon Dating Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: Question AC: how does the LAW ( not theory - rock solid proven law ) of Thermo Dynamics prove evolution as impossible. (Hint: explosions do not produce more complex matter, they destroy! Wow. You know your physics huh? Funny how you didn't know that matter cannot be created or destroyed...only changed. But back to the Law of thermodynamics. Quote: This idea has been put forward by many people to try to prove that evolution is impossible. However, it is based on a flawed understanding of the second law of thermodynamics, and in fact, the theory of evolution does not contradict any known laws of physics. The second law of thermodynamics simply says that the entropy of a closed system will tend to increase with time. "Entropy" is a technical term with a precise physical definition, but for most purposes it is okay to think of it as equivalent to "disorder". Therefore, the second law of thermodynamics basically says that the universe as a whole gets more disordered and random as time goes on. However, the most important part of the second law of thermodynamics is that it only applies to a closed system - one that does not have anything going in or out of it. There is nothing about the second law that prevents one part of a closed system from getting more ordered, as long as another part of the system is getting more disordered. There are many examples from everyday life that prove it is possible to create order! For example, you'd certainly agree that a person is capable of taking a pile of wood and nails and constructing a building out of it. The wood and nails have become more ordered, but in doing the work required to make the building, the person has generated heat which goes into increasing the overall entropy of the universe. Or, if you prefer an example that doesn't require conscious human intervention, consider what happens when the weather changes and it gets colder outside. Cold air has less entropy than warm air - basically, it is more "ordered" because the molecules aren't moving around as much and have fewer places they can be. So the entropy in your local part of the universe has decreased, but as long as that is accompanied by an increase in entropy somewhere else, the second law of thermodynamics has not been violated. That's the general picture - nature is capable of generating order out of disorder on a local level without violating the second law of thermodynamics, and that is all that evolution requires. The idea of evolution is simply that random genetic mutations will occasionally occur that lead an individual organism to have some trait that is different from that of its predecessors. Now, it is true that these mutations, being random, would probably tend to increase the "entropy" of the population as a whole if they occurred in isolation (i.e., in a closed system). That is, most of the mutations will create individual organisms that are less "ordered" (i.e., less complex) and only some will create individual organisms that are more complex, so overall, the complexity goes down. However, evolution does not take place in a closed system, but rather requires the existence of outside forces - i.e., natural selection. The idea is that there can be some environmental effect that makes organisms with a particular mutation (one that makes them more "complex" more likely to survive and pass their genes on to the next generation. Thus, as generations go by, the gene pool of the species can get more and more complex, but notice that this can only occur if the gene pool interacts with the outside world. It is through the course of that interaction that some other form of entropy (or disorder) will be generated that increases the entropy of the universe as a whole. If the above is too esoteric, consider a simple analogy: a poker tournament. In poker, good hands are less likely to be dealt than bad ones - for example, the odds of getting three of a kind are much less than the odds of getting two of a kind. So in a poker tournament, most people will be dealt bad hands and only a few will be lucky enough to be dealt good hands. But it is the people with good hands who will be more likely to win and "survive" to the next round. So the "outside forces" (in this case, the rules of poker) acting on a random distribution (all the poker hands that were dealt) will tend to select out the best, least likely ones. Keep up the faith brother! Edited on 2/20/2010 7:38 PM by greenpeace2. Censorship reflects society's (made up of a few ignorant forum posters) lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. Potter Stewart "The fool has said in his heart no-God"
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#45 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:29 PM
anthonyC Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 7988	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: Thousands of digs in the middle east - and not one Biblical historic detail has been proven wrong. All the cities and places discovered match the Biblical record - not bad for a 5000 year old book! And they have also not proven that Jesus or Moses actually existed either So again I ask you. Show me proof of a Deity. You haven't even come close. Proof of dreadlocks Bigotry. "....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment?......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages." : I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY POSTS BY THE BIGOT KNOWN AS DREADLOCKS.
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#48 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:37 PM
anthonyC Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 7988	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: The carbon dating methods used for those dates are proven totally unreliable. You should know that. You have faith in suppositions! In Theories. The age of the universe was not found by Carbon Dating Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: Question AC: how does the LAW ( not theory - rock solid proven law ) of Thermo Dynamics prove evolution as impossible. (Hint: explosions do not produce more complex matter, they destroy! Wow. You know your physics huh? Funny how you didn't know that matter cannot be created or destroyed...only changed. But back to the Law of thermodynamics. Quote: This idea has been put forward by many people to try to prove that evolution is impossible. However, it is based on a flawed understanding of the second law of thermodynamics, and in fact, the theory of evolution does not contradict any known laws of physics. The second law of thermodynamics simply says that the entropy of a closed system will tend to increase with time. "Entropy" is a technical term with a precise physical definition, but for most purposes it is okay to think of it as equivalent to "disorder". Therefore, the second law of thermodynamics basically says that the universe as a whole gets more disordered and random as time goes on. However, the most important part of the second law of thermodynamics is that it only applies to a closed system - one that does not have anything going in or out of it. There is nothing about the second law that prevents one part of a closed system from getting more ordered, as long as another part of the system is getting more disordered. There are many examples from everyday life that prove it is possible to create order! For example, you'd certainly agree that a person is capable of taking a pile of wood and nails and constructing a building out of it. The wood and nails have become more ordered, but in doing the work required to make the building, the person has generated heat which goes into increasing the overall entropy of the universe. Or, if you prefer an example that doesn't require conscious human intervention, consider what happens when the weather changes and it gets colder outside. Cold air has less entropy than warm air - basically, it is more "ordered" because the molecules aren't moving around as much and have fewer places they can be. So the entropy in your local part of the universe has decreased, but as long as that is accompanied by an increase in entropy somewhere else, the second law of thermodynamics has not been violated. That's the general picture - nature is capable of generating order out of disorder on a local level without violating the second law of thermodynamics, and that is all that evolution requires. The idea of evolution is simply that random genetic mutations will occasionally occur that lead an individual organism to have some trait that is different from that of its predecessors. Now, it is true that these mutations, being random, would probably tend to increase the "entropy" of the population as a whole if they occurred in isolation (i.e., in a closed system). That is, most of the mutations will create individual organisms that are less "ordered" (i.e., less complex) and only some will create individual organisms that are more complex, so overall, the complexity goes down. However, evolution does not take place in a closed system, but rather requires the existence of outside forces - i.e., natural selection. The idea is that there can be some environmental effect that makes organisms with a particular mutation (one that makes them more "complex" more likely to survive and pass their genes on to the next generation. Thus, as generations go by, the gene pool of the species can get more and more complex, but notice that this can only occur if the gene pool interacts with the outside world. It is through the course of that interaction that some other form of entropy (or disorder) will be generated that increases the entropy of the universe as a whole. If the above is too esoteric, consider a simple analogy: a poker tournament. In poker, good hands are less likely to be dealt than bad ones - for example, the odds of getting three of a kind are much less than the odds of getting two of a kind. So in a poker tournament, most people will be dealt bad hands and only a few will be lucky enough to be dealt good hands. But it is the people with good hands who will be more likely to win and "survive" to the next round. So the "outside forces" (in this case, the rules of poker) acting on a random distribution (all the poker hands that were dealt) will tend to select out the best, least likely ones. Proof of dreadlocks Bigotry. "....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment?......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages." : I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY POSTS BY THE BIGOT KNOWN AS DREADLOCKS.
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#50 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:38 PM
deicibao Location: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los Caballeros Join date: November 2009 Member #: 4018 Posts: 713	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: you will never understand what makes true Christianity 100% unique among religions. It's funny cuz most religions say the same exact thing. What makes you think yours is the real one? Edited on 2/20/2010 7:39 PM by deicibao. QUE VIVA Ei CIBAO "yo soy primero cibaeño y despues dominicano" Pedro Manuel Hungria
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#41 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:16 PM
greenpeace2 Location: Dominican Republic Join date: December 2009 Member #: 4116 Posts: 1603	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: You mock people who know there is a God, and yet you believe with all your heart that an explosion in a metal scrap yard will produce a Boeing 747 in perfect shape? Now that is an ignorant statement. If you have billions of explosions in a scrapyard you could eventually produce a piece in the shape of a bolt. After a billion more you will have one in the shape of a nut. A billion more and that bolt will fit itself into the nut....and so on..... Apply that to amino acids and protiens. The known universe is between 13.5 and 14 billion years old....a lot of stuff has happened during that time. The carbon dating methods used for those dates are proven totally unreliable. You should know that. You have faith in suppositions! In Theories. Question AC: how does the LAW ( not theory - rock solid proven law ) of Thermo Dynamics prove evolution as impossible. (Hint: explosions do not produce more complex matter, they destroy! Censorship reflects society's (made up of a few ignorant forum posters) lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. Potter Stewart "The fool has said in his heart no-God"
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#42 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:19 PM
greenpeace2 Location: Dominican Republic Join date: December 2009 Member #: 4116 Posts: 1603	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: mandouafrika previously said: Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: greenpeace2, I have asked you before and I will ask you again. SHOW US CONCRETE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF A DEITY. Concrete proof....Not philosophical rhetoric.....CONCRETE PROOF. You are like a Blind man asking me to show him the sun! DNA is CONCRETE proof - it was enough to convince LEADING atheist for 50 years Dr. Flew that he was wrong all those years. You prove that DNA can be as it is today by MUTANT CHANCE. I do admire you, you have so much more faith in "no God" when the evidence is all around you.. I issued you a challenge 3 times a few weeks ago. You ignored it. I asked you in a few paragraphs to share words of comfort, for you the ATHEIST, with a grieving widow who has also lost her children in the recent earthquake. Go for it amigo....after 4 weeks we and this widow are still waiting for the Atheist's words of comfort! One old, dying doctor has a has a cowardly, religious revelation and that is your proof? Ok. Lets take a look at your God. Don't look like a God to me. Oh And remember....Lack of evidence is not proof......... Try again. You cannot be THAT stupid, the DNA is not God, but incontrovertible proof of God. How does existence of DNA prove that God exists specifically? Your answer will most definitely be along the lines of "only God could create something so complex" and my question to you would be how do you KNOW for sure? The Bible is pretty much an adult fairy tale so it cannot be included as a credible source. Thousands of digs in the middle east - and not one Biblical historic detail has been proven wrong. All the cities and places discovered match the Biblical record - not bad for a 5000 year old book! It is a very credible source! Did you know the Bible said the earth was hung on nothing (suspended) and is a sphere - and all that 5000 years before modern science caught up with those truths. How did Job know that? Hmm.....great question! Censorship reflects society's (made up of a few ignorant forum posters) lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. Potter Stewart "The fool has said in his heart no-God"
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#43 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:20 PM
greenpeace2 Location: Dominican Republic Join date: December 2009 Member #: 4116 Posts: 1603	RE: Atheism is Growing [QUOTE=anthonyC] [QUOTE=Pepe32] [/QUOTE] [B][COLOR=#546D8E]Sorry Anthony but your statement implying that all atheists are free thinkers and respect humanity .Atheists are like everyone else in the sense that there are good and bad people . Stalin ,Mao and Pol Pot were atheists and they were responsible for killing millions. [/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE] Saying that because those were atheists that all atheists are evil is like saying that because A priest is a pedophile that all Christians are pedophiles. Stalin was from Soviet Georgia. are all Georgians Murderers? Are all Chinese and Cambodians? Trujillo was Dominican and a devote Catholic....are we to condemn all Catholic Dominicans? [/QUOTE] Tell me, is it a co-incidence that 160 MILLION were killed by Atheists? (compare that to 1.5 million during the war against Islam - the crusades) Censorship reflects society's (made up of a few ignorant forum posters) lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. Potter Stewart "The fool has said in his heart no-God"
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#44 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:28 PM
greenpeace2 Location: Dominican Republic Join date: December 2009 Member #: 4116 Posts: 1603	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: mandouafrika previously said: Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: greenpeace2, I have asked you before and I will ask you again. SHOW US CONCRETE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF A DEITY. Concrete proof....Not philosophical rhetoric.....CONCRETE PROOF. You are like a Blind man asking me to show him the sun! DNA is CONCRETE proof - it was enough to convince LEADING atheist for 50 years Dr. Flew that he was wrong all those years. You prove that DNA can be as it is today by MUTANT CHANCE. I do admire you, you have so much more faith in "no God" when the evidence is all around you.. I issued you a challenge 3 times a few weeks ago. You ignored it. I asked you in a few paragraphs to share words of comfort, for you the ATHEIST, with a grieving widow who has also lost her children in the recent earthquake. Go for it amigo....after 4 weeks we and this widow are still waiting for the Atheist's words of comfort! One old, dying doctor has a has a cowardly, religious revelation and that is your proof? Ok. Lets take a look at your God. Don't look like a God to me. Oh And remember....Lack of evidence is not proof......... Try again. You cannot be THAT stupid, the DNA is not God, but incontrovertible proof of God. How does existence of DNA prove that God exists specifically? Your answer will most definitely be along the lines of "only God could create something so complex" and my question to you would be how do you KNOW for sure? The Bible is pretty much an adult fairy tale so it cannot be included as a credible source. A watch kind of proves a watchmaker exists! Isaac Newton made a awesome replica of the solar system. Working parts and all! His Atheist friend came over and saw it and wanted to know who made it. Dr. Isaac strung him along. Refused him an answer. Finally the DR. Scientists said "No one made it" His friend became angry and said that is ridiculous. Someone made it and he wanted to know who so he could order one. Dr. Newton said "You cannot believe that this model of the solar system just sort of fell together? And yet you believe that the whole universe did?" And Dr. Newton did not know about the whole universe found in one cell - the DNA. Go ahead, believe the IMPOSSIBLE, the INCREDULOUS, have faith in your theory which totally contradicts SCIENCE ( Law of Entropy) etc. Wow, what amazing faith! Censorship reflects society's (made up of a few ignorant forum posters) lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. Potter Stewart "The fool has said in his heart no-God"
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#46 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:33 PM
greenpeace2 Location: Dominican Republic Join date: December 2009 Member #: 4116 Posts: 1603	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: greenpeace2 previously said: Thousands of digs in the middle east - and not one Biblical historic detail has been proven wrong. All the cities and places discovered match the Biblical record - not bad for a 5000 year old book! And they have also not proven that Jesus or Moses actually existed either So again I ask you. Show me proof of a Deity. You haven't even come close. Only an idiot would deny Jesus existed. Not worth a response. You actually believe, against ALL scientific evidence, that random explosions over billions of years produce the world we w live in? Wow, such faith - and you have no proof as you were not there! I have proof - the Scientific proven laws (as well as simple human logic) proves that explosions do not create they destroy. And who provided the material - if you are right - please tell me, I am so anxious - who provided the material for your destructive explosions? Where did the matter come from.... please - I really need to know! Censorship reflects society's (made up of a few ignorant forum posters) lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. Potter Stewart "The fool has said in his heart no-God"
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#47 - Posted 20 February 2010, 7:35 PM
greenpeace2 Location: Dominican Republic Join date: December 2009 Member #: 4116 Posts: 1603	RE: Atheism is Growing Quote: anthonyC previously said: So again I ask you. Show me proof of a Deity. Says the blind man "prove the moon exists", You cannot? So it is not there. AC wins! Censorship reflects society's (made up of a few ignorant forum posters) lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. Potter Stewart "The fool has said in his heart no-God"
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