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greenpeace2,

I have asked you before and I will ask you again.

SHOW US CONCRETE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF A DEITY.

Concrete proof....Not philosophical rhetoric.....CONCRETE PROOF.





You are like a Blind man asking me to show him the sun! DNA is CONCRETE proof - it was enough to convince LEADING atheist for 50 years Dr. Flew that he was wrong all those years.

You prove that DNA can be as it is today by MUTANT CHANCE.

I do admire you, you have so much more faith in "no God" when the evidence is all around you..

I issued you a challenge 3 times a few weeks ago. You ignored it.

I asked you in a few paragraphs to share words of comfort, for you the ATHEIST, with a grieving widow who has also lost her children in the recent earthquake.

Go for it amigo....after 4 weeks we and this widow are still waiting for the Atheist's words of comfort!
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#22 - Posted 20 February 2010, 4:03 PM
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History tells the story of the renowned atheist, Voltaire, one of the most aggressive antagonists of Christianity. He wrote many things to undermine the church, and once said of Jesus Christ, "Curse the wretch. In 20 years, Christianity will be no more. My single hand will destroy the edifice it took 12 apostles to rear."

Needless to say, Voltaire was less than successful. And on his deathbed, a nurse who attended him was reported to have said, "For all the wealth in Europe, I would not see another atheist die."

The physician, waiting up with Voltaire at his death, said that he cried out with utter desperation, "I am abandoned by God and man. I will give you half of what I am worth if you will give me six months of life. Then I shall go to hell and you will go with me, oh, Christ, oh, Jesus Christ!"

Years later the Geneva Bible Society bought his house and used it to print Bibles. Poor chap --hope in hell he looked up and saw it happen!
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#23 - Posted 20 February 2010, 4:08 PM
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I understand what you are saying. But all of the religions can not be right as they are opposed. People who are true Christians will share the good news when ever they can as:


No religion is right as none are based on fact or logic.

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1. There lives have been wonderfully transformed by it
2. The lives of many others they know have been transformed
3. They want the same joy and peace for you.

That is why they cannot stay quiet! They know a secret to life and joy and they will put up with the hatred and mockery and persecution from people around them but they will not stop sharing the good news.




Placebo effect. The aspect of religion that transforms people's lives is the optimism. Most religious followers chose to dwell only on the optimism in religion and ignore or minimize the larger amount of pessimism.


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Bear with me? Suppose you house is on fire. I see the flames and smoke come from your basement window. You are asleep inside. You see and smell nothing.

I wake you up and try to drag you out. You shout, kick and scream and object to me pulling you out of your comfort zone. I manage to do it any way and suffer in the process.

Once you are outside you see the fire and danger and you become very grateful.

Most people are still in that comfort zone and get very angry when we warn them of the danger that WE KNOW TO BE REAL. We have often been beaten and killed for warning people and trying to rescue them.

Just because you do not see or smell the danger, doe snot mean it is not there. We have escaped it and live in peace and joy, knowing we are God;s adopted special children, and we want the same for you.


We do not expect you NOW to agree, but at least try to understand our motives and actions!




Faulty reasoning. First of all, what is the danger that you KNOW to be real? Unlike God, the threat of danger can be substantiated so you're whole argument falls flat. You cannot KNOW anything about GOD anymore than I can KNOW about Santa Claus. I can claim for the rest of my life that Santa Claus does in fact exist but what does that really mean if I have no credible proof for the existence of Santa Claus? You cannot prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist and I cannot prove that Santa Claus does exist. It's the same story with God and the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim not the naysayer.
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History tells the story of the renowned atheist, Voltaire, one of the most aggressive antagonists of Christianity. He wrote many things to undermine the church, and once said of Jesus Christ, "Curse the wretch. In 20 years, Christianity will be no more. My single hand will destroy the edifice it took 12 apostles to rear."

Needless to say, Voltaire was less than successful. And on his deathbed, a nurse who attended him was reported to have said, "For all the wealth in Europe, I would not see another atheist die."

The physician, waiting up with Voltaire at his death, said that he cried out with utter desperation, "I am abandoned by God and man. I will give you half of what I am worth if you will give me six months of life. Then I shall go to hell and you will go with me, oh, Christ, oh, Jesus Christ!"

Years later the Geneva Bible Society bought his house and used it to print Bibles. Poor chap --hope in hell he looked up and saw it happen!

This is a REBUTTAL to Christian claims that atheists are immoral, dumb, or evil. This is not an attack on Christians.
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#25 - Posted 20 February 2010, 4:34 PM
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No sale mi favorito:

Ghandi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."
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#26 - Posted 20 February 2010, 4:37 PM
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mandouafrika previously said:

Quote:
greenpeace2 previously said:


I understand what you are saying. But all of the religions can not be right as they are opposed. People who are true Christians will share the good news when ever they can as:


No religion is right as none are based on fact or logic.

Quote:
greenpeace2 previously said:

1. There lives have been wonderfully transformed by it
2. The lives of many others they know have been transformed
3. They want the same joy and peace for you.

That is why they cannot stay quiet! They know a secret to life and joy and they will put up with the hatred and mockery and persecution from people around them but they will not stop sharing the good news.




Placebo effect. The aspect of religion that transforms people's lives is the optimism. Most religious followers chose to dwell only on the optimism in religion and ignore or minimize the larger amount of pessimism.


Quote:
greenpeace2 previously said:


Bear with me? Suppose you house is on fire. I see the flames and smoke come from your basement window. You are asleep inside. You see and smell nothing.

I wake you up and try to drag you out. You shout, kick and scream and object to me pulling you out of your comfort zone. I manage to do it any way and suffer in the process.

Once you are outside you see the fire and danger and you become very grateful.

Most people are still in that comfort zone and get very angry when we warn them of the danger that WE KNOW TO BE REAL. We have often been beaten and killed for warning people and trying to rescue them.

Just because you do not see or smell the danger, doe snot mean it is not there. We have escaped it and live in peace and joy, knowing we are God;s adopted special children, and we want the same for you.


We do not expect you NOW to agree, but at least try to understand our motives and actions!




Faulty reasoning. First of all, what is the danger that you KNOW to be real? Unlike God, the threat of danger can be substantiated so you're whole argument falls flat. You cannot KNOW anything about GOD anymore than I can KNOW about Santa Claus. I can claim for the rest of my life that Santa Claus does in fact exist but what does that really mean if I have no credible proof for the existence of Santa Claus? You cannot prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist and I cannot prove that Santa Claus does exist. It's the same story with God and the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim not the naysayer.


Ah, but you see I KNOW, as do a billion others. You do not. Very sad really.

While faith is most reasonable considering the evidence all around us AND IN US, yet it is by faith not reason that we know the truth.

BTW: unless you understand the meaning of the Biblical word/idea of GRACE, you will never understand what makes true Christianity 100% unique among religions.
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#27 - Posted 20 February 2010, 4:44 PM
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Quote:
anthonyC previously said:

greenpeace2,

I have asked you before and I will ask you again.

SHOW US CONCRETE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF A DEITY.

Concrete proof....Not philosophical rhetoric.....CONCRETE PROOF.





You are like a Blind man asking me to show him the sun! DNA is CONCRETE proof - it was enough to convince LEADING atheist for 50 years Dr. Flew that he was wrong all those years.

You prove that DNA can be as it is today by MUTANT CHANCE.

I do admire you, you have so much more faith in "no God" when the evidence is all around you..

I issued you a challenge 3 times a few weeks ago. You ignored it.

I asked you in a few paragraphs to share words of comfort, for you the ATHEIST, with a grieving widow who has also lost her children in the recent earthquake.

Go for it amigo....after 4 weeks we and this widow are still waiting for the Atheist's words of comfort!


One old, dying doctor has a has a cowardly, religious revelation and that is your proof?

Ok. Lets take a look at your God.



Don't look like a God to me.

Oh And remember....Lack of evidence is not proof.........

Try again.
Edited on 2/20/2010 4:44 PM by anthonyC.
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#28 - Posted 20 February 2010, 4:46 PM
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yum:

No sale mi favorito:

Ghandi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."


Agreed, but so many others are like Christ, and do not treat wife and family as Ghandi treated his!

Richard Wurmbrand - Jewish Chrtistian leader 14 years in prison and tortured for his faith:

"When a man has no faith in the reward of good or the punishment of evil, there is no reason to be human. There is no restraint from the depths of evil that is in man." Tortured For Christ

"I am very sorry if a crocodile eats a man, but I can’t re­proach the crocodile. He is not a moral being. So no reproaches can be made to the Communists. Communism has destroyed any moral sense in them. They boasted that they had no pity in their hearts. I learned from them. As they allowed no place for Jesus in their hearts, I decided I would leave not the smallest place for Satan in mine." Tortured For Christ

"If the heart is cleansed by the love of Jesus Christ, and if the heart loves Him, one can resist all tortures." Tortured For Christ

"God will judge us not according to how much we endured, but how much we could love." Tortured For Christ

"The tortures and brutality continued without interruption. When I lost consciousness or be­came too dazed to give the torturers any further hopes of confession, I would be returned to my cell. There I would lie, untended and half dead, to regain a little strength so they could work on me again. Many died at this stage, but somehow my strength always managed to return. In the ensuing years, in several different prisons, they broke four vertebrae in my back, and many other bones. They carved me in a dozen places. They burned and cut eighteen holes in my body. When my family and I were ransomed out of Romania and brought to Norway, doctors in Oslo, seeing all this and the scars in my lungs from tuberculosis, declared that my being alive today is a pure miracle! Accord­ing to their medical books, I should have been dead for years. I know myself that it is a miracle. God is a God of miracles. I believe God performed this wonder so that you could hear my voice crying out on behalf of the Underground Church in persecuted countries. He allowed one to come out alive and cry aloud the message of your suffering, faithful brethren." Tortured For Christ
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#29 - Posted 20 February 2010, 4:47 PM
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anthonyC previously said:

Quote:
greenpeace2 previously said:

Quote:
anthonyC previously said:

greenpeace2,

I have asked you before and I will ask you again.

SHOW US CONCRETE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF A DEITY.

Concrete proof....Not philosophical rhetoric.....CONCRETE PROOF.





You are like a Blind man asking me to show him the sun! DNA is CONCRETE proof - it was enough to convince LEADING atheist for 50 years Dr. Flew that he was wrong all those years.

You prove that DNA can be as it is today by MUTANT CHANCE.

I do admire you, you have so much more faith in "no God" when the evidence is all around you..

I issued you a challenge 3 times a few weeks ago. You ignored it.

I asked you in a few paragraphs to share words of comfort, for you the ATHEIST, with a grieving widow who has also lost her children in the recent earthquake.

Go for it amigo....after 4 weeks we and this widow are still waiting for the Atheist's words of comfort!


One old, dying doctor has a has a cowardly, religious revelation and that is your proof?

Ok. Lets take a look at your God.



Don't look like a God to me.

Oh And remember....Lack of evidence is not proof.........

Try again.


You cannot be THAT stupid, the DNA is not God, but incontrovertible proof of God.
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#30 - Posted 20 February 2010, 4:50 PM
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You cannot be THAT stupid, the DNA is not God, but incontrovertible proof of God.


Excuse my ignorance.

Please explain to me how a DNA molecule is proof of god.

BUT REMEMBER>>>LACK OF AN EXPLANATION OR PROOF DOES NOT MEAN A GOD EXISTS.

So Go ahead.
Edited on 2/20/2010 4:52 PM by anthonyC.
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