JabaoHaitian previously said:

USADR,

People always get fustrated of what they can't seem to grasp so I'm assuming that's were these ultra afrocentrics are coming from. Now these days one can go to wiki and read garbage and consider themselves an intellect with insight to say why x, y are the problem. On the field things are done differently where confrontation is up close not online fanatics. Not to go off topic put I would like you and others to read up on "la negritude" in the francophone countries it is the equivalent of black power in the usa. I dont think the spanish speaking countries ever had a black movement with such success. Some were started but were soon crushed. The DR is different because it isn't segregated per se. I think each society should respect each other and learn from each other..it's all about tolerance. I dont think such a movement would ever fly in the DR. Can you tell me why not? Lautaro you too..hey it appears we are losing the normal people..

Lautaro previously said:



I've heard that the negritude made quite a stir when it began (the 1930's and 1940's). This movement would be heavily influenced by the movement of the "Harlem Renaissance" that took place on New York during the 1920's, but even more than that, on the Haitian Revolution, where it's considered that blackness "stood on its feet" so to speak. Later, this movement would divide itself in the sense that some of the intelectuals would only strive to fight racism within french society (specially the ones from Martinique and Guadeloupe), while others would strive for independence (this being the case of the ones coming from the french colonies in Africa). As for this movement happening on the DR, well, I'll not wager my cuartos on it, because, if there's one thing that makes the difference between the DR and other Lat Am countries is that the DR is founded on the ethos (or myth, as some AA's would put it) of it being a multicultural haven, an ethos that would be threatened by a movement like this, because the intelligentsia, and the people, would regard it as some supremmacist movement looking to put one culture above the others. People would reject it without giving it the benefit of the doubt.

HateitorLOVEIT previously said:

JabaoHaitian previously said:

USADR,

People always get fustrated of what they can't seem to grasp so I'm assuming that's were these ultra afrocentrics are coming from. Now these days one can go to wiki and read garbage and consider themselves an intellect with insight to say why x, y are the problem. On the field things are done differently where confrontation is up close not online fanatics. Not to go off topic put I would like you and others to read up on "la negritude" in the francophone countries it is the equivalent of black power in the usa. I dont think the spanish speaking countries ever had a black movement with such success. Some were started but were soon crushed. The DR is different because it isn't segregated per se. I think each society should respect each other and learn from each other..it's all about tolerance. I dont think such a movement would ever fly in the DR. Can you tell me why not? Lautaro you too..hey it appears we are losing the normal people..


Different countries and societies look at race in different ways. Unless u r a frequent traveler, u r going to take your concepts about whatever, race...food, along with your baggage. I'm black and my racial concepts come from the history of the US. So, the first time I landed on DR soil, I was like Damn, look at all of the black people! What amazed me was that dominicans darker than me were say'n, I ain't black.! Okay, fine, in this country you aren't black......but. in the U.S. you can call yourself whatever you want, but drive down south....or to the Midwest.... or to Boston....or Washington dc .....you won't be whatever you call yourself back in the DR! You are black..or black/whatever....

One thing that kills me about the DR is ... My white friend introduced me to the country....he's older and looks it...fat...feo...makes less money than I do but, just because he is white...nuth'n else....dominican women will prefer him to me! Why, they want a white man who can possible provide them with a lighter skin child! So, dominicans may have a different concept of skin color...what's what...., but they do discriminate based on the color of your skin!

HateitorLOVEIT previously said:

JabaoHaitian previously said:

USADR,

People always get fustrated of what they can't seem to grasp so I'm assuming that's were these ultra afrocentrics are coming from. Now these days one can go to wiki and read garbage and consider themselves an intellect with insight to say why x, y are the problem. On the field things are done differently where confrontation is up close not online fanatics. Not to go off topic put I would like you and others to read up on "la negritude" in the francophone countries it is the equivalent of black power in the usa. I dont think the spanish speaking countries ever had a black movement with such success. Some were started but were soon crushed. The DR is different because it isn't segregated per se. I think each society should respect each other and learn from each other..it's all about tolerance. I dont think such a movement would ever fly in the DR. Can you tell me why not? Lautaro you too..hey it appears we are losing the normal people..


Different countries and societies look at race in different ways. Unless u r a frequent traveler, u r going to take your concepts about whatever, race...food, along with your baggage. I'm black and my racial concepts come from the history of the US. So, the first time I landed on DR soil, I was like Damn, look at all of the black people! What amazed me was that dominicans darker than me were say'n, I ain't black.! Okay, fine, in this country you aren't black......but. in the U.S. you can call yourself whatever you want, but drive down south....or to the Midwest.... or to Boston....or Washington dc .....you won't be whatever you call yourself back in the DR! You are black..or black/whatever....

One thing that kills me about the DR is ... My white friend introduced me to the country....he's older and looks it...fat...feo...makes less money than I do but, just because he is white...nuth'n else....dominican women will prefer him to me! Why, they want a white man who can possible provide them with a lighter skin child! So, dominicans may have a different concept of skin color...what's what...., but they do discriminate based on the color of your skin!

USADR previously said:



Lautaro,

I also don't ever see this type of movement happening in DR simply because DR is very much a LatinAmerican country. The way that our culture evolved in which elements from Spain, Native & African blended in to create our own creole culture is very different than what happened in the Anglophone & Francophone Caribbean.
I also don't see this happening in the rest of the Spanish Caribbean who also share much of our same basic ancestry and culture.
If one looks at the ethnohistory of these different islands/nations, you can see how and why some would develope these types of movement, any people who are marginalized from mainstream society & degraded due to their ancestry will tend to form pride type movements.
DR never had institutional type racism or legal segregation or the lynchings that occured in the old Jim Crow south.

American Dr. Lynne Guitar summarizes this when she says:
Dominicans exhibit a tripartite biological and cultural inheritance:

In the book Cultura Dominicana, there is a commentary on the tendency to combat the Eurocentrism of the past with Afrocentric extremism. This only serves to warp and destroy what our culture & history really mean.
I see this all the time, even here. It's okay to talk about the Wolof being imported to Santo Domingo, but if the subject turns to Canarians things turn sour with accusations of 'trying to be white'.

On a related note, look at this video regarding Brazilian Caboclos and their response to trying to bring OneDroppism to Brazil:
CABOCLO IS NOT BLACK Ethnic Cleaning in Brazil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdOOkAkiYuc

JabaoHaitian previously said:





Hello Hate welcome on board. It is good to hear from an african american regarding this issue. Well I can tell you from my point of view that you have to remember that in Latin America white is equivalent to success and a stable future. You have to remember that DR people think a different way and if this is heaven for fat white boys so be it. I am sure you can find your niche and make things happen for you. I think it is a slap in your face when people that resemble you don't treat you the way the treat white people but again why let that bother you. If you have $$$$ and the blue passport no matter how black you are you can get a lady. Dont think base on race that you have the upper hand it's whats in your wallet and you can leave whenever you feel like it. This is my perception as a non dominican. Why should you let someones inferior complex of having a light skin baby affect you. Besides these girls are only acting on what their society feel is the way up the economic ladder so don't blame the ignorant that doesn't know better. Just shake your head and put your charm to work. It is probably a good thing since alot of the visa chasers will not target you at first but once they hear you are from Nuevo Yol..you'll be seen as a ticket out of the DR just like the fat pasty white guy. What's hilarious is their self esteem is boosted and they really believe they are players and good looking..hey as long as everyone is happy I don't see the problem..This is POV from Jabao Haitian..

JabaoHaitian previously said:




USADR I think you are speaking as an immigrant living in the USA where you are forced to call all of hispanics and even brazilians as Latino..BTW, francophone speaking caribbeans are Latinos in my book we speak french which is from Latin. You can't say DR and Argentina are closer because hey we're latinos. I think this would happen in Colombia, Ecuador and Peru because blacks are segregated from society although depending on region and not to the extent of Jim Crow. DR is different since it is mixed of mulattos and within that mix you have all shades of black to olive white. Reason why I think it will never happen is because of Haiti my country. If black dominicans would ever have a negritude movement it would be labeled a haitian movement and all the propaganda will commence to come out. Again this is my pov.....think about and respond...USADR I think you comparing all latinos as some sort of similar is due to you living in the USA where one is forced to call all of you guys Latino..travel to argentina you will be domincican a foreignor not some extended family fromt he latino branch..

HateitorLOVEIT previously said:

JabaoHaitian previously said:

USADR,

People always get fustrated of what they can't seem to grasp so I'm assuming that's were these ultra afrocentrics are coming from. Now these days one can go to wiki and read garbage and consider themselves an intellect with insight to say why x, y are the problem. On the field things are done differently where confrontation is up close not online fanatics. Not to go off topic put I would like you and others to read up on "la negritude" in the francophone countries it is the equivalent of black power in the usa. I dont think the spanish speaking countries ever had a black movement with such success. Some were started but were soon crushed. The DR is different because it isn't segregated per se. I think each society should respect each other and learn from each other..it's all about tolerance. I dont think such a movement would ever fly in the DR. Can you tell me why not? Lautaro you too..hey it appears we are losing the normal people..


Different countries and societies look at race in different ways. Unless u r a frequent traveler, u r going to take your concepts about whatever, race...food, along with your baggage. I'm black and my racial concepts come from the history of the US. So, the first time I landed on DR soil, I was like Damn, look at all of the black people! What amazed me was that dominicans darker than me were say'n, I ain't black.! Okay, fine, in this country you aren't black......but. in the U.S. you can call yourself whatever you want, but drive down south....or to the Midwest.... or to Boston....or Washington dc .....you won't be whatever you call yourself back in the DR! You are black..or black/whatever....

One thing that kills me about the DR is ... My white friend introduced me to the country....he's older and looks it...fat...feo...makes less money than I do but, just because he is white...nuth'n else....dominican women will prefer him to me! Why, they want a white man who can possible provide them with a lighter skin child! So, dominicans may have a different concept of skin color...what's what...., but they do discriminate based on the color of your skin!