WHY I DISLIKE DR. "The Truth" 2.0 - Santo Domingo

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HAYkickyouintheSHIN previously said:

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Lautaro previously said:

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amoree previously said:

That can be debated with St. Thomas, Jamaica, Grenada and Barbados all carrying the same titles..

The recent changes in government questions stability.

So I'm sure every country thinks themselves as the best.. But DR is definitely "one" of the jewels..

I don't know about St. Thomas, Grenada and Barbados, but we are certainly waaay better off than Jamaica. And in security issues, this better off status is islandwide, given that, believe it or not, gang violence is actually worse on Jamaica than in Haiti, despite what the press is currently portraying.

You're right on point on that one Lautaro. Jamaica is the most dangerous country in the Caribbean. Several reports have stated that Jamaica has a murder rate 11 times higher than Haiti although the latter is 3 times as bigger than the former population-wise. Haiti actually has one of the lowest murder rates in the Caribbean, reportedly even lower than the Dominican Republic although the D.R ranks better than Haiti overall when it comes to crime in general. That's a shocker to some isn't it? People think Cite Soleil is all of Haiti, and that's where they often pick up that misconception.

Apparently, the jamaicans have done a better job in the public relations department than both of our countries. Guess that we'll have to waterboard one of them in order to get the secret of their success.

Edited on 8/21/2008 2:47 PM by Lautaro.

"A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good."

Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince

#36 - Posted 21 August 2008, 3:24 PM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4955	RE: ... Quote: dreadlocks previously said: actually, Mr Lautaro, jamaica should serve as an object lesson to the DR as to what can happen if crime is left to accelerate out of control. they have had serious violent crime problems long before the DR. the genesis of their problems was not in drugs, but politics. the CIA flooded the country with guns in the mid 1970s in order to foment partisan violence and destabilse the then democratic socialist government, which was too cozy with havana for the liking of washington. well, with the elections over, what were the thugs going to do with the guns but to attack and rob? then , the drugs came into a society in which guys were armed to the teeth. from accounts i received from friends in New York, guys with handguns were considered small fry; real men had M16s. the top of the line thugs had the occasional grenade launcher, which they would use against police cruisers on occasion. glocks are as common as cooking utensils. the same could happen here. these things move fast. if the drug boys are allowed to set up shop, the DR, a once pacific place in the caribbean, can become an equally forbidding outback. Heck, this is bad. I've heard that the majority of the weapons flooding the underworld in both Haiti and the DR are actually coming from Jamaica. So one can only imagine how bad things are down there. And you're right, the same thing could happen here, because, like the jamaican case on the 1970's, electoral years are actually the most violent ones here on the DR (each party have some sort of private army of thugs of their own), so it could get pretty bad if the state doesn't do something about curtailing that illegal weapons market. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince
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#31 - Posted 21 August 2008, 2:34 PM
HAYkickyouintheSHIN Location: Haiti Join date: January 2008 Member #: 272 Posts: 365	RE: ... Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: amoree previously said: That can be debated with St. Thomas, Jamaica, Grenada and Barbados all carrying the same titles.. The recent changes in government questions stability. So I'm sure every country thinks themselves as the best.. But DR is definitely "one" of the jewels.. I don't know about St. Thomas, Grenada and Barbados, but we are certainly waaay better off than Jamaica. And in security issues, this better off status is islandwide, given that, believe it or not, gang violence is actually worse on Jamaica than in Haiti, despite what the press is currently portraying. You're right on point on that one Lautaro. Jamaica is the most dangerous country in the Caribbean. Several reports have stated that Jamaica has a murder rate 11 times higher than Haiti although the latter is 3 times as bigger than the former population-wise. Haiti actually has one of the lowest murder rates in the Caribbean, reportedly even lower than the Dominican Republic although the D.R ranks better than Haiti overall when it comes to crime in general. That's a shocker to some isn't it? People think Cite Soleil is all of Haiti, and that's where they often pick up that misconception. Edited on 8/21/2008 2:36 PM by HAYkickyouintheSHIN.
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#33 - Posted 21 August 2008, 2:50 PM
amoree Location: United States Join date: January 2008 Member #: 269 Posts: 64	RE: ... Both of you guys are right... Last year Jamaica was second in murder numbers after the DR.. according to the World Bank..This year Trinidad and Tobago are moving up the list.. Jamaica's violence is causing their tourism to decrease a bit.. along with the increasing airfare. In Barbados, gang activities are increasing... This Crips and Blood activity has spread it's poison over there... News report that the Caribbean in general has the highest murder rate in the world.. Oh Boy! _____________________________ Made in the USA
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#35 - Posted 21 August 2008, 3:12 PM
dreadlocks Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 9049	RE: ... actually, Mr Lautaro, jamaica should serve as an object lesson to the DR as to what can happen if crime is left to accelerate out of control. they have had serious violent crime problems long before the DR. the genesis of their problems was not in drugs, but politics. the CIA flooded the country with guns in the mid 1970s in order to foment partisan violence and destabilse the then democratic socialist government, which was too cozy with havana for the liking of washington. well, with the elections over, what were the thugs going to do with the guns but to attack and rob? then , the drugs came into a society in which guys were armed to the teeth. from accounts i received from friends in New York, guys with handguns were considered small fry; real men had M16s. the top of the line thugs had the occasional grenade launcher, which they would use against police cruisers on occasion. glocks are as common as cooking utensils. the same could happen here. these things move fast. if the drug boys are allowed to set up shop, the DR, a once pacific place in the caribbean, can become an equally forbidding outback.
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#37 - Posted 21 August 2008, 5:17 PM
dreadlocks Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 9049	RE: ... you see, Mr Lautaro, politics in Jamaica are unique in the caribbean.in most other islands, party opposing supporters live side by side, and hate each other come election time. in jamaica, there are political garrison barrios, where everyone is from the same political party. that is the qualification in order to rent or buy a home. from time to time, some asinine, small, insignificant incident causes violence to flare up between these factions, and all out warfare develops. the issue is that the violence is not focused on outsiders. tourists are relatively safe. but you cannot divulge your political affiliation. i play dominoes in the DR, and some of the guys are PLD, others are PRD. they each criticise the other party, but in good spirits. in jamaica, gunshots would be flying. better yet, the game would never start! Edited on 8/21/2008 5:17 PM by dreadlocks.
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#38 - Posted 21 August 2008, 5:43 PM
amoree Location: United States Join date: January 2008 Member #: 269 Posts: 64	RE: ... Dreadlocks, Are you Jamaican or Dominican? _____________________________ Made in the USA
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#32 - Posted 21 August 2008, 2:45 PM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4955	RE: ... Quote: HAYkickyouintheSHIN previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: amoree previously said: That can be debated with St. Thomas, Jamaica, Grenada and Barbados all carrying the same titles.. The recent changes in government questions stability. So I'm sure every country thinks themselves as the best.. But DR is definitely "one" of the jewels.. I don't know about St. Thomas, Grenada and Barbados, but we are certainly waaay better off than Jamaica. And in security issues, this better off status is islandwide, given that, believe it or not, gang violence is actually worse on Jamaica than in Haiti, despite what the press is currently portraying. You're right on point on that one Lautaro. Jamaica is the most dangerous country in the Caribbean. Several reports have stated that Jamaica has a murder rate 11 times higher than Haiti although the latter is 3 times as bigger than the former population-wise. Haiti actually has one of the lowest murder rates in the Caribbean, reportedly even lower than the Dominican Republic although the D.R ranks better than Haiti overall when it comes to crime in general. That's a shocker to some isn't it? People think Cite Soleil is all of Haiti, and that's where they often pick up that misconception. Apparently, the jamaicans have done a better job in the public relations department than both of our countries. Guess that we'll have to waterboard one of them in order to get the secret of their success. Edited on 8/21/2008 2:47 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince
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#34 - Posted 21 August 2008, 2:59 PM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4955	RE: ... Quote: amoree previously said: Both of you guys are right... Last year Jamaica was second in murder numbers after the DR.. according to the World Bank..This year Trinidad and Tobago are moving up the list.. Jamaica's violence is causing their tourism to decrease a bit.. along with the increasing airfare. In Barbados, gang activities are increasing... This Crips and Blood activity has spread it's poison over there... News report that the Caribbean in general has the highest murder rate in the world.. Oh Boy! And here some people thought that the buccaneer era ended on the XVIII century. Guess that they were mistaken after all. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince
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#39 - Posted 21 August 2008, 5:49 PM
dreadlocks Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 9049	RE: ... neither, actually. but i have spent long periods of my life in both places, and am equally familiar with both cultures. living in new york helps, too.
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#40 - Posted 21 August 2008, 6:05 PM
amoree Location: United States Join date: January 2008 Member #: 269 Posts: 64	RE: ... Ok.. I take it you're American as well? _____________________________ Made in the USA
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