| #41 - Posted 29 August 2008, 7:58 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 783 Posts: 1128 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: FranktheTank previously said: Man u sound a little like me when I was a little more aggressive about my prospects in the DR. I can distinctively remember that specific post and all the interesting entries. It was posts exchanges, and viewpoints like those in that article that fueled my curiosity and intrigue and consequently motivating me to join DT. Initially I though I was missing out on something. But since have realized, not. Edited on 8/29/2008 7:59 PM by ladronaso. So, you don't like what's happening in DR.... |
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| #42 - Posted 31 August 2008, 4:20 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 1865 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: anthonyC previously said: For any revolution to be sucessfull you need $$$$$. No Revolution has ever been lead by the "masses" It has always been supported buy people who are rich and powerful who want change......usually to improve their own situation. That is the way it happened in the US revolution, the Russian Revolution, the Cuban Revolution, Phillipines, Nicaragua,........the list goes on and on. No you don't... You just need alot of pissed off people... Baniter's collapse should have been enough to get the people marching on the streets. To your second statement... The French hung their rich and powerful and the educated non-royal took over.... plus the april war in 1965 in DR happened because of Caamano who wanted to reinstate Juan Bosch as the rightful president of the republic... He had no money and people supported the revolution Edited on 8/31/2008 4:24 PM by CarlosFranco. |
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| #43 - Posted 31 August 2008, 7:00 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 3297 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: No you don't... You just need alot of pissed off people... Baniter's collapse should have been enough to get the people marching on the streets. To your second statement... The French hung their rich and powerful and the educated non-royal took over.... plus the april war in 1965 in DR happened because of Caamano who wanted to reinstate Juan Bosch as the rightful president of the republic... He had no money and people supported the revolution He had no money but others supplied $$$.....Not enough because he lost. The French revolution was lead buy the rich and educated and the Military. |
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| #44 - Posted 31 August 2008, 10:24 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1699 | RE: Ready for change, are you? anthonyC who gave cash to the Haitians? There's truth in your statement that some element of the entrenched power is often involved in any revolution, but they can't do it alone. That has also been shown often by any number of failed uprisings led by 'rebel' elites alone with no popular support. |
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| #45 - Posted 31 August 2008, 11:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 3297 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: Manhattanite previously said: anthonyC who gave cash to the Haitians? There's truth in your statement that some element of the entrenched power is often involved in any revolution, but they can't do it alone. That has also been shown often by any number of failed uprisings led by 'rebel' elites alone with no popular support. Toussaint Louverture was educated and fought for the French. After expelling the Spain and returning Haiti to France he was the defacto leader of Haiti. Not willing to grant France power he then formed a constitution a declared haiti's Independance. So Actually it wasn't a True Revolution but a Military Coup. Either way Toussaint Louverture and the other "rebel" leaders were educated free blacks and creoles. I agree without popular support any revolution is bound to fail but with an edcated elite leading the way and financial backing failure is assured as well. |
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| #46 - Posted 1 September 2008, 3:15 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 1865 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: No you don't... You just need alot of pissed off people... Baniter's collapse should have been enough to get the people marching on the streets. To your second statement... The French hung their rich and powerful and the educated non-royal took over.... plus the april war in 1965 in DR happened because of Caamano who wanted to reinstate Juan Bosch as the rightful president of the republic... He had no money and people supported the revolution He had no money but others supplied $$$.....Not enough because he lost. The French revolution was lead buy the rich and educated and the Military. He was defeated cuz the Americans put more than 40,000 marines in the country and held superior weaponry... The Dominican elite couldn't muster enough resources to stop the revolution and thus Operation powerpack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Power_Pack#Background One for all... And all for one !!!! |
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| #47 - Posted 1 September 2008, 4:08 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 3297 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: He was defeated cuz the Americans put more than 40,000 marines in the country and held superior weaponry... The Dominican elite couldn't muster enough resources to stop the revolution and thus Operation powerpack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Power_Pack#Background One for all... And all for one !!!! In other words.....They still lost. |
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| #48 - Posted 1 September 2008, 9:13 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 1865 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: He was defeated cuz the Americans put more than 40,000 marines in the country and held superior weaponry... The Dominican elite couldn't muster enough resources to stop the revolution and thus Operation powerpack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Power_Pack#Background One for all... And all for one !!!! In other words.....They still lost. We still defended our honor agaisnt the most powerful nation in the world.... check the link above and see what the PRD was up agaisnt.... Still we fought... Thats what matters buddy |
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| #49 - Posted 1 September 2008, 11:10 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 3297 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: We still defended our honor agaisnt the most powerful nation in the world.... check the link above and see what the PRD was up agaisnt.... Still we fought... Thats what matters buddy No it doesn't. They lost. The only people who remember who came in 2nd are those who came in 2nd. |
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| #50 - Posted 2 September 2008, 12:37 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism Join date: May 2008 Member #: 731 Posts: 2064 | RE: Ready for change, are you? Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: We still defended our honor agaisnt the most powerful nation in the world.... check the link above and see what the PRD was up agaisnt.... Still we fought... Thats what matters buddy No it doesn't. They lost. The only people who remember who came in 2nd are those who came in 2nd. Brigade 2506 they came in dead last, the U.S. in Vietnam they came in last as well. You’re just mad that a lot of those Dominicans and members of 14 de Junio members trained in Cuba. And received support from Castro….. |
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