Why is it we throw all the muslims in the same pot with the extremist? I know many muslims and have known many muslim have travelled to a muslim nation and contrary to many beliefs all Muslims are not extremist. Extremist are a minority.

Anthony what makes you think we have won. We got rid of Sadam Hussein and at what price? Was it worth it? Was the lost of life worth ridding ourselves from an idiot that was all hot air? Tell that to the families of the dead. Tell them that the death of their sons and daughters was worth it.

If I had lost a son/daughter and you talked this crap to me, I'd kick your freaking teeth out.

Iraq has been a total failure any idiot knows this. But like most Republicans you refuse to accept reality and continue living in denial because the truth hurts. It hurts to say I was wrong. But did you know that their is much dignity in embracing failure. It takes real dignified individual, a real leader to acknowledge failure. But unfortunately we aren't being led by real leaders instead by a reincarnation of the three stooges.

yup, and guess who voted for them?

Funny!

people believe that we're winning because we've managed to kill more of them than they've killed us and contributed to the ruins of a beautiful city.

kmnupe and ladronaso, consider the source. you are talking with anthonyc! a guy who knows less than nothing about everything. which grown man could refer to afghanistan as a democracy? the place is a wild outback, run by territorial warlords, taliban here, northern alliance there, drug overlords everywhere. when you discuss issues with anthonyc, be advised that you are not exactly in the presence of knowledge and good insight. you are a talikng to a guy who is good at giving disjointed snippets, non sequiturs, and bad information. to say we won in iraq is beyond asinine, but, in anthony's case , he can do even worse.

I disagree with you Talia... There are things in life worth dying for. Arabs love their children just as much as we do. But what if your child is taken away, not by accident or god's will, but by some country intervenction.... wouldn't you be pissed off... The myth that muslims aren't afraid to die is Bullshit... Suicide attacks are acts of desperation not of fearlessness of dying...


When did the Japanese Kamakasi suicide attacks started? When it be evident that America was going to win the war

Carlos, have you ever had an in depth conversation with a real islamist? are you hypothesising, and theorising, or are you speaking from a point of real understanding? you really equate the kamikaze pilots from japan in world war2, who were caught up in the heat of battle, with a 12 year old guy who straps explosives to himself and blows up a mall? i have one question, which could end this debate for all time. how do you use military force to defeat ideology? if you can tell me how, then we can end this argument. only thing is, you have to tell me how you can tell that you have won.

You would have to decimate a whole country and every ciitizen/person loyal to that country.

Carlos, it was me, not Talia that posted this reply to dreadlocks. And yes, I agree with you, there are things in life worth dying for. I wouldn't say this in regards to the reasons for which Islam extrememists decide to commit suicide by strapping themselves and even young boys with bombs and killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people. That is what I was talking about. I never said that Arabs don't love their children and just because another country intervenes in mine doesn't mean I'm gonna go on a killing spree, even if I would've lost a family member to the foreigners. Two wrongs don't make a right and going on a killing spree isn't going to bring my dead loved one back. In most cases, I would say suicide is cowardice, but in the case of these Muslim extrememists not only is it cowardice but just plain evil and stupid to think that killing yourself and killing innocent people along with you makes you a "martyr" and is in the name of God. That's the real bullshit. No offense, and pardon me if I misunderstood what you said, but it almost seems like your justifying the actions of these extremists.

JEM, to most people, islam is just a different religion, loaded with lunatic folks. it is an abstraction, and so are its people. the average guy understands these people from press releases and media talking points, but have never met with, or spoken at length, with a real islamist. i met with one such person some time back, and, i have to tell you, it is a different mindset. these guys see the west as mortal enemy, and any disagreement with them to be the central core of their being. i can assure you that they cannot, and will not, be defeated by military means. there is a bond between them all, a brotherhood which binds them. you fight against them in iraq, you might as well be fighting against them in indonesia. it is only simple minded people who believe that these guys will be overpowered by the might of the west. to them, dying is honor. first rule of battle; never fight against people who are more willing to die than you are. westerners put on a brave face and go to war, but they all want to live and come home. all american soldiers hope to get back to see Betty Sue. islamists do not think in terms of returning from battle. they do not go to battle with time deployments, and pack up and go home after a year. they are in it till they die, with the only aim being to inflict as much damage as possible on the infidel. just looking into the eyes of that guy scared me; there is an intensity i have never seen in any other person.