Extremism is an ideology; you can not kill an idea. The thought/ idea of socialism have not died yet. Hitler could not kill Judaism; killing Jesus did not kill his teachings. Killing Trujillo did not kill corruption in DR. Killing Thousands of Dominicans and Caamaño did not kill the Dominicans desire for a true democracy.

Dreadlocks... You ask really DUMB questions. No i have not had a conversation with an islamic terrorist... and i don't need to... somethings are just plain logical. If these terrorist states or agencies had those F-22s and Abrams tanks and Tomhawk missile they wouldn't be blowing themselves up... SIMPLE LOGIC

Japenese soldier were used by their high commands using techniques that questioned their honor and since this is very important for the japanese soldiers and japanese society overall, they were in a way forced to kill themselves. I saw those techniques in a history channel program...

The moscow theater terrorist attack were conducted by two muslim men and the rest were women... Who were these women???... They were the wifes of the soldiers the Russians killed when they were in the Army... You see Dreadlocks... these people aren't doing it because they just wake up one morning and feel like blowing themselves up. they have had serious losses and thats when people become vulnerable to be talked into killing themselves in suicide attacks.

Its easy and simple for people like Jem who have never experience these things to assume how she would feel had these things happened to her...

I have given real facts... Check the turning point of WWII in the pacific and check when kamakazi attacks started... GOOGLE IT!!! and then answer the question yourself

So you imagen that you had a loss and then you imagen your own response... Interesting
Jem... you're thinking with a full stomach.... It's very noble hearing you say how you would feel had these tragedy had happened on you when they haven't.

I don't justified the killings of anyone but when we fuck with these people they fuck with us, Cause and Effect darling. I don't see arabs blowing up christians in Latin American countries... You know why... Cause we don't fuck with them.

Luckily for us, we are all going to vote for McCain and soon enough we'll have nuclear energy like the french and then we won't be fighting energy oriented wars such the Iraq war.

Carlos Franco, i hardly know what to make of you. sometimes i lean to the belief that you could possibly be intelligent, then you revert to type and prove me wrong. one of the first traits of an intelligent person is to read carefully before responding. secondly, you should understand what you read. it is good to do these two steps before you seek to call other people "dumb". where, might i ask you, did i use the term "islamist terrorist"? there is a big difference between an islamist, a terrorist, and an islamist terrorist. i asked you if you have ever spoken at length with an ISLAMIST, not a terrorist. they are not one and the same entity. there are islamists, there are terrorists, there are non-islamist terrorists, and islamist terrorists. get it? and if you think that terrorists are blowing up places in order to take revenge for some physical action, then you have no clue what this is all about. that is why i ask you if you have ever spoken with an islamist. you do not understand the input of religion in this. when iraq invaded kuwait, during the first bush regime, Osama Bin Laden told the kuwati royal family that he would bring the mujahadeen from afghanistan to fight saddam and liberate kuwait. but kuwait let america intervene. the response of Osama was to blow up the world trade center, in response to the infidel (america) encroaching upon islamic holy ground. america had not killed osama's kids. as a matter of fact, osama was their ally. they supplied the mujahadeen with weapons to fight the russians. the only beef with america was that they did not belong on islamic holy ground. you see, Carlos, when you are interviewing someone, and they ask you for a break so they can go to pray, you are dealing with a different mindset. maybe, in order to educate yourself, you should try to speak with an islamist (i did not say "terrorist". you will learn something.

Too bad if you don't believe me. It's funny how you're really quick to call someone dumb or say that they're not thinking on full stomach, yet you come here and assume you know things about people, don't even read these posts carefully before responding, and make remarks such as the ones you've made in this thread. I was talking about Muslim Extrememists all along and you bust out saying all these things that don't even apply to what I started talking about.



You say that when we mess with these people they mess with us. Okay, Einstein, tell me when we messed with the Muslim extrememists. Do you even know why they hate us? Dreadlocks already gave you an explanation, but I'll take it a step further by telling you that another reason the Muslim extrememists hate us is not because we've "fucked with them" but because of our ties with Israel and the U.S.' role in the "Zionism" movement with the Jewish community. Read up on some history before you call other people dumb, my friend. When the Muslims were fighting against the Soviets, who helped them? The U.S.A.! We never did anything to Osama bin Laden except allow him to study in our schools, join our military, provide his family with power and protection, and his response for an "infidel" America "who is against Muslims" is to blow up the World Trade Center and kill over 3,000 people! Anyone who supports the U.S. and the Jewish community is all of a sudden against Islam and their enemy. Did you forget about the terrorist attacks in Spain and in London? Did you forget about the people that they beheaded and then put the videos on YouTube? These extrememists have no reasonable cause to hate the U.S. and it's allies so much. They claim their saving their religion and doing everything in the name of Allah. Please. Give me a break. This is all happening because of people who have distorted their religion to ridiculous lengths.




Speak for yourself . I sure as hell am not voting for McCain.

Thanks for the history lesson, i do happened to know all those facts... curiously enough you didn't respond to any of the examples i gave you. Which makes me wonder who in this forum needs an education...

What assumptions did i make? The statements that i've made can be backed up with books that i've read or History channel programs... No assumptions lady... You accused me of justifying the actions of extremist and i gave you a very detail example of why things happens in one place and they don't happen in another... clearly, like dreadlocks, you've learn nothing of the example i have given which can be verified... JUST GOOOGLE IT BABY.

Israel is part... part... of the reason terrorist hate america... I know that, everybody know that, but you assume thats the only reason... and then you have the balls to tell me to educate myself... You are the one who needs stop writing whatever comes to your mind and join our nearest college.

If you don't vote for McCain, you youself are creating the grounds for future WAR. Also, i know, i mean, come on, its obvious why you would vote for Obama... I don't expect you to do otherwise dear!!!

PS neither of you, Jem or dreadlocks know more about muslims, terrorist or the middleeast than i do... I have dated several muslim chicks and i've taken middle easter history studies in college... PLUS I love the History Channel

PS2 I didn't you call you dumb, so don't take an insult for dreadlocks for your own; I would really hate to have to start insulting you, being that you're a woman, i would feel like am abusing you. If you have read my post you'll notice that i never start the insult but i never stop once am fucked with, so back off... you can keep your opinions and i'll keep mine.

DREADLOCKS + JEM

When i write something, do challege the points and events i use for examples... the two of you never do that... Am starting to think that....

1. You don't know what am talking about or

2. You agree with me but you need to respond, so you divert the issue or make something up....



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1)Luckily for us, we are all going to vote for McCain
2)You are the one who needs stop writing whatever comes to your mind and join our nearest college
3)come on, its obvious why you would vote for Obama... I don't expect you to do otherwise dear!!!

Those are all examples of assumptions. Look up the word in the dictionary if you don't know what it means. Or, JUST GOOGLE IT BABY



Yes, I have the "balls" to tell you to educate yourself because if you claim to know this about Israel this discussion wouldn't be taking place to begin with! I said America isn't going to win a war against a group of people (i.e. muslim extrememists) who don't give a fuck about killing themselves. Your response was to say that Arabs love their children as much as we do and if somebody in my family got killed because of a foreigner, how would I react, that if we fuck with them, they fuck with us, and that thinking Muslims arent afraid to die is bullshit. Your response does not correlate to what I was talking about!!!. Anyone with common sense knows I was talking about Muslim extrememists not Arabs (and yes I know that most of these extrememists are Arabs, too). Show me when I said that Arabs don't love their children as much as we do, of course with the exception of those Muslim extrememists (who happen to be Arab mostly) who put bombs on their child boys and brainwash them to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. Also, saying that someone doesn't give a fuck about killing themselves doesn't mean that they don't have fear, ok. I never said that Israel is the only reason that Muslim extrememists hate us, I said it is ANOTHER reason, not the ONLY reason. Did you miss the part where I told you that Dread had already given you PART of the explanation? ("Reading IS Fundamental", remember? ) I didn't think it was necessary to type what he had already said. As far as I'm concerned you're the one that's not correctly addressing the points I was talking about. You deviated in a completely different direction.




Criticizing you for calling other people dumb, does not mean that I took the offense as my own. There you go ASSUMING AGAIN. Nobody here is fucking with you, you told me that I was thinking on an empty stomach, I told you to go educate yourself (ah, see that Cause & Effect thingy you mentioned before). Another thing, If I don't agree with what you're saying to me, I will keep responding (maybe).No need to tell me to "back off". You make it seem like I'm supposed to be scared that I started debating, or as you call it, fucking with you. Please. Give me a break. Take a chill pill, this is only a forum, for goodness sake.

I started this thread looking for ideas and a motivation to start something. But as stated on a different thread. How so very true.

And I too am guilty of this.