| #21 - Posted 9 September 2008, 9:14 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 678 | RE: What is the GENERAL ETHNICITY of those in the CENTRAL & CARIBBEAN LATIN-AMERICAS? Afro-latino why is this so important to you? I'm getting a lot reiteration from you based on race. Yeah, its important to know who you are. But one is not just their race, or hair texture, or native country, they're not even just a disease (if they have one). Everyone wants specifications on things but why spend some much immense time on something that obviously distinguishes us and give little attention to things that can unite us such as our minds, and different universal aspects for our self-preservation. I'll even give you some other topics to speak on, interject and/or support:
-And the real task is to try to do this without directly sending it to a racial platform. Afro-latino I know you've said a lot on the board but give it go, try it out. And maybe you have done this but look at it again. -And Afro-latino generally when people accept something about themselves they either where it as a badge of honor or as a cross of pain. Edited on 9/9/2008 9:24 PM by talia. Dios le bendiga! “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
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| #22 - Posted 10 September 2008, 1:15 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306 | RE: What is the GENERAL ETHNICITY of those in the CENTRAL & CARIBBEAN LATIN-AMERICAS? Quote: talia previously said: Afro-latino why is this so important to you? I'm getting a lot reiteration from you based on race. Yeah, its important to know who you are. But one is not just their race, or hair texture, or native country, they're not even just a disease (if they have one). Everyone wants specifications on things but why spend some much immense time on something that obviously distinguishes us and give little attention to things that can unite us such as our minds, and different universal aspects for our self-preservation. I'll even give you some other topics to speak on, interject and/or support:
-And the real task is to try to do this without directly sending it to a racial platform. Afro-latino I know you've said a lot on the board but give it go, try it out. And maybe you have done this but look at it again. -And Afro-latino generally when people accept something about themselves they either where it as a badge of honor or as a cross of pain. Good post talia! I like history, ethnohistory & anthropology related subjects, but sometime it seems like it's just a way for some to project their own agenda driven racialist views on others and reduce every single thing to color and/or 'race'. There is much much more to life, many more dimensions to every facet of life. I've run into some racialist idealogues of all backgrounds. |
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| #23 - Posted 10 September 2008, 1:23 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306 | RE: What is the GENERAL ETHNICITY of those in the CENTRAL & CARIBBEAN LATIN-AMERICAS? Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Well sounds like we believe a lot in common Jabao, but I just wanted to balance out the extreme statement of latino as a farce. To say Italians are more Latino I think is not accurate, and too reductive. This is an unnecessary hangup on the distant origin of the word Latino. I've seen attempts to get people to switch to Ibero-____ but hey I say let's just live with the word we have. Forget that Latino has anything to do with Rome. To the extent it transmits some information about the diverse individuals who claim the label, or elicits some solidarity between ppl, then it is useful. I hear your argument that it may not denote much more than Spanish-speaking but from my lens it does say more. On the level of food for example, though there are wildly different cuisines it is fair to say I can walk into a restaurant of any of these cuisines and find some familiar items. Also family organization, religion, and other areas you can make decent guesses off the label. dread you are right about the numbers game, and it plays out the same in US. Some groups stay close knit enough in large numbers that within their enclaves they identify strictky with their nationality and Latino is just a word they hear on Univision sometimes. But what happens to their kids and grandkids when they go off to a college campus? Or when they themselves move out of the immigrant enclaves? I think then the notion of Latino suddenly becomes useful to these individuals and they recognize its validity, however limited. Also I would add that with the largest Latino population (Mexicans) even they have come up with a word for their ethnicity as something other than just Mexican, while on the other hand some of them identify by regional associations from back home in Mexico. So essentially this is all messy business and very individual and contingent on class, geography, age, education, etc. Ultimately we should just strive to learn about the particular person but in answer to AfroLatino as a very general and broad ethnicity Latino (modified as you wish) works. Manhattanite, Your explanation of Latino and how different groups self-identify with this label is on point. We are all from different countries with different traditions, cultures and backgrounds but there is a common thread that runs thru all of them. It's not based on color of skin or ancestry either, it's a cultural/linguistic connection. Using your example, if you send a Dominican out to some mid-western college where the majority would be Latinos of some other nationality, more likely than not he will be a member of any Latino organization there. It is natural. Lunch time in high school, you might have a bunch of Dominicans at a table and the new Colombian student (who is maybe 1 of 2 Colombians in the whole school)will sit with them, I've seen this play out over and over. |
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| #24 - Posted 10 September 2008, 5:46 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1190 Posts: 6 | RE: What is the GENERAL ETHNICITY of those in the CENTRAL & CARIBBEAN LATIN-AMERICAS? Latino is not a race. It is an ethnicity. A person who is ethnically Latino can be of any race, including White, Black, Asian, etc. In other words, ethnically we are Latino, however this does not mean we are all the same race. We are all different and vary widely based on region, socioeconomic status, etc. Therefore, it would be quite inappropriate to generalize anything when it involves speaking of Latinos. |
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