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#41 - Posted 23 September 2008, 4:19 AM
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Another enthusiastic supporter of Barack Obama's presidential campaign is his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng. After Obama's mother divorced Barack Obama Sr., she married Lolo Soetoro and had Maya in Indonesia. They moved to Honolulu where Obama was born .Although they are 9 years apart, the siblings remain close. Maya credits Obama with helping her make good decisions and focusing on her strengths after her father died in 1987 - but she also credits their mother, Ann Dunham, with instilling in Obama a love of public service and community organization.


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John McCain and the Lying Game (ho no, a liar that can not be, bailing out wall street 700 billion ?? is he now a socialist ? ) that must be another way to trickle down the economy !!


John McCain has raised serious questions about whether he has the character to lead the nation. He has defaced his beloved military code of honor. He has run a dirty campaign.


http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842030,00.html
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#42 - Posted 23 September 2008, 7:09 AM
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Another enthusiastic supporter of Barack Obama's presidential campaign is his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng. After Obama's mother divorced Barack Obama Sr., she married Lolo Soetoro and had Maya in Indonesia. They moved to Honolulu where Obama was born .Although they are 9 years apart, the siblings remain close. Maya credits Obama with helping her make good decisions and focusing on her strengths after her father died in 1987 - but she also credits their mother, Ann Dunham, with instilling in Obama a love of public service and community organization.


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John McCain and the Lying Game (ho no, a liar that can not be, bailing out wall street 700 billion ?? is he now a socialist ? ) that must be another way to trickle down the economy !!


John McCain has raised serious questions about whether he has the character to lead the nation. He has defaced his beloved military code of honor. He has run a dirty campaign.


http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842030,00.html

tonyj you should not cheer for the obamanable snow job....When all those conservative voters move to Canada and vote PC that will be the end of your NDP ass.....I am not coming back to freeze my stones off
lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE
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#43 - Posted 23 September 2008, 7:21 AM
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Another enthusiastic supporter of Barack Obama's presidential campaign is his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng. After Obama's mother divorced Barack Obama Sr., she married Lolo Soetoro and had Maya in Indonesia. They moved to Honolulu where Obama was born .Although they are 9 years apart, the siblings remain close. Maya credits Obama with helping her make good decisions and focusing on her strengths after her father died in 1987 - but she also credits their mother, Ann Dunham, with instilling in Obama a love of public service and community organization.


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John McCain and the Lying Game (ho no, a liar that can not be, bailing out wall street 700 billion ?? is he now a socialist ? ) that must be another way to trickle down the economy !!


John McCain has raised serious questions about whether he has the character to lead the nation. He has defaced his beloved military code of honor. He has run a dirty campaign.


http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842030,00.html

you will regret Tonyj if the obamanable snow job wins .....All those conservatives will move to Canada and vote PC and run your NDP ass out of town....I personally will not return to freeze my stones off with you Ice Farmers up there....But you will be sorry and on the subject of healthcare as the immortal Homer Simpson says" America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay! "
Edited on 9/23/2008 7:27 AM by gouletcolonial.
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#44 - Posted 23 September 2008, 8:47 AM
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GC, you are a bit subdued these days. seems like the Sarah Palin dog and pony show has been submarined by serious issues, such as the rip-off of the economy by "free market, non interventionist, Chicago school types". Johnny Mac, Mr Deregulator, is not looking too good now, is he?
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#45 - Posted 23 September 2008, 8:50 AM
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GC, you are a bit subdued these days. seems like the Sarah Palin dog and pony show has been submarined by serious issues, such as the rip-off of the economy by "free market, non interventionist, Chicago school types". Johnny Mac, Mr Deregulator, is not looking too good now, is he?


Milton Friedman should be thankful to God (or whatever deity that he believed in, if any) took him away before this, dread. I'm sure this would have been enough to send him into a catatonic state on any given day.
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#46 - Posted 23 September 2008, 9:02 AM
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dread,

Let me sum up all the US situation by citing this article:

White Privilege

by Tim Wise

For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a "fuckin' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their fuckin' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot shit" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested."

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while if you're black and believe in reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school, requires it), you are a dangerous and mushy liberal who isn't fit to safeguard American institutions.

White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.

White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives close to Russia--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.

White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because suddenly your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look."

White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.

White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose "next door neighbor" qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you're a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you're irresponsibly exploiting them.

White privilege is being able to give a 36 minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.

White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.

White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and then Harvard Business school, and yet, still be seen as just an average guy (George W. Bush) while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then to Harvard Law, makes you "uppity," and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.

White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.) and that's OK, and you're cut out to be president, but if you're black and you graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can't be trusted to make good decisions in office.

White privilege is being able to dump your first wife after she's disfigured in a car crash so you can take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you go on to call the c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family values, while if you're black and married for nearly twenty years to the same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of affection for each other are called "terrorist fist bumps."

White privilege is when you can develop a pain-killer addiction, having obtained your drug of choice illegally like Cindy McCain, go on to beat that addiction, and everyone praises you for being so strong, while being a black guy who smoked pot a few times in college and never became an addict means people will wonder if perhaps you still get high, and even ask whether or not you ever sold drugs.

White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you "dangerously naive and immature."

White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the "lesser adversities" faced by other politicians, as Sarah Palin explained in her convention speech.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because a lot of white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.

White privilege is, in short, the problem.

Source: http://www.elizabetheames.blogspot.com/

P.S.: I know, it's ugly, it's brutal, but it was absolutely and uncompromisingly needed to be said.
Edited on 9/23/2008 9:20 AM by Lautaro.
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#47 - Posted 23 September 2008, 9:23 AM
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well, Mr Lautaro, thanks for that fantastic article. i am glad i did not write it, or GC would say i am playing the "slimy race card". he probably thinks i am, just for reading it. and i am sure it was written by a white person.
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#48 - Posted 23 September 2008, 9:29 AM
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well, Mr Lautaro, thanks for that fantastic article. i am glad i did not write it, or GC would say i am playing the "slimy race card". he probably thinks i am, just for reading it. and i am sure it was written by a white person.


I'm sure that he will pass the day trying to come up with a suitable answer to that, or at least as suitable to his GOPish parameters as he can get, even though any defense of the system is impossible, given the uglyness of its glaring injustice. My God!, if I wanted to enter into the payroll of any given business on this country and had the letters "Harvard Law School" on my CV, I assure you that I would be received not only with open doors, but with a party as well. Only the absurd skin privilege can possibly justify the absurdity of a no good trailer trash nun topping that feat off (and from what some of my colleagues have told me, graduating from Harvard with flying colors is no small feat) .
Edited on 9/23/2008 9:43 AM by Lautaro.
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you are full of shit ....not to put a fine point onit
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#50 - Posted 23 September 2008, 10:00 AM
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you are full of shit ....not to put a fine point onit


Typical GOPish bs answer. Are you so fanatical that you're willing to see the american ship sink just to make a point?
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