| #1 - Posted 19 September 2008, 9:55 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 1435 | Jealous Liberals & Sticking to the subject! I have removed my original post because jealous Liberals are incapable of sticking to the subject! Edited on 9/19/2008 12:37 PM by anthonyC. |
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| #2 - Posted 19 September 2008, 10:02 AM | |
Location: Brazil, near Copacabana Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1547 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: Venezuela expells rights activist over remarks By JORGE RUEDA, Associated Press Writer Fri Sep 19, 2:39 AM ET CARACAS, Venezuela - Human Rights Watch said Venezuela's record on human rights has worsened under President Hugo Chavez, particularly with regard to government critics. ADVERTISEMENT Venezuela responded by expelling the group's Americas director, Jose Miguel Vivanco, on Thursday night, saying that he made unacceptable remarks against the country's institutions. "We aren't going to tolerate any foreigner coming here to try to sully the dignity" of Venezuela and its institutions, Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro told state television. He said Vivanco was driven to the airport and forced to leave the country immediately on a flight. Vivanco, a Chilean who had arrived on a tourist visa, "has violated the constitution" and Venezuela's laws, he said. Vivanco was ordered to leave along with a Human Rights Watch deputy director, U.S. citizen Daniel Wilkinson, Maduro said. He accused them of acting at the behest of the U.S. government. It was the first such expulsion by Chavez's government. The leftist leader has threatened previously that Venezuela could expel foreigners if they come to slander his government. A government statement read on state television said Vivanco violated the law by "attacking the institutions" of Venezuela's democracy, and "illegally interfering in the internal affairs of our country." The U.S.-based group said in a report Thursday that a failed 2002 coup against Chavez has been "a pretext for a wide range of government policies that have undercut the human rights protections" laid out in the constitution. Chavez's government has "weakened democratic institutions and human rights guarantees" while trying to sideline the opposition and consolidate power, said Jose Miguel Vivanco, the group's Americas director. Venezuela condemned the report, saying it provides "an incomplete and biased account" and that the government has a strong record on human rights. The New York-based group said Chavez "has encouraged his subordinates to engage in discrimination by routinely denouncing his critics as antidemocratic conspirators and coup-mongers — regardless of whether or not they had any connection to the 2002 coup." The U.S.-based Venezuelan Information Office, which is funded by Chavez's government, said in a statement that the report "overstates the issue of political discrimination" and noted that Chavez has pardoned supporters of the 2002 coup. So what? The US have done much worse than that and you know it. Doesn't Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib ring any bells to you? What about the indiscriminate bombing of Fallujah (which bears a sickening resemblance to the bombing of Guernica by the Nazi Luftwaffe in the Spanish Civil War)? Please spare us the condescending BS, specially when your dear leader W is so proud when saying that the US Constitution is "a goddamn piece of paper". Furthermore, unlike your dear US, Venezuela doesn't have political prisoners. Edited on 9/19/2008 10:08 AM by Lautaro. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #3 - Posted 19 September 2008, 10:14 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 1435 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. Quote: Lautaro previously said: So what? The US have done much worse than that and you know it. Doesn't Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib ring any bells to you? What about the indiscriminate bombing of Fallujah (which bears a sickening resemblance to the bombing of Guernica by the Nazi Luftwaffe in the Spanish Civil War)? Please spare us the condescending BS, specially when your dear leader W is so proud when saying that the US Constitution is "a goddamn piece of paper". Furthermore, unlike your dear US, Venezuela doesn't have political prisoners. Please. Either address the issue or stay out. Just because you think the U.S. has done bad things doesn't mean Chavez has carte blanche. |
| #4 - Posted 19 September 2008, 10:25 AM | |
Location: Brazil, near Copacabana Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1547 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. Quote: anthonyC previously said: Please. Either address the issue or stay out. Just because you think the U.S. has done bad things doesn't mean Chavez has carte blanche. He may not have "carte blanche", but my point is that the US lost the right to point fingers a long time ago. You don't posess the moral high ground anymore (if you ever have had it, that is). Expeling foreigners from one's country it's not the same as incarcerating them without trial on Guantanamo. Edited on 9/19/2008 10:27 AM by Lautaro. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #5 - Posted 19 September 2008, 10:28 AM | |
Location: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 9364 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Please. Either address the issue or stay out. Just because you think the U.S. has done bad things doesn't mean Chavez has carte blanche. He may not have "carte blanche", but my point is that the US lost the right to point fingers a long time ago. You don't posess the moral high ground anymore (if you ever have had it, that is). how do you lose your right..... : more WWW talk lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |
| #6 - Posted 19 September 2008, 10:30 AM | |
Location: Brazil, near Copacabana Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1547 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. Quote: gouletcolonial previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Please. Either address the issue or stay out. Just because you think the U.S. has done bad things doesn't mean Chavez has carte blanche. He may not have "carte blanche", but my point is that the US lost the right to point fingers a long time ago. You don't posess the moral high ground anymore (if you ever have had it, that is). how do you lose your right..... : more WWW talk By indiscrimanately bombing countries out of existence without building a proper international consensus, that's how!!! Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #7 - Posted 19 September 2008, 10:41 AM | |
Location: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 9364 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: gouletcolonial previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Please. Either address the issue or stay out. Just because you think the U.S. has done bad things doesn't mean Chavez has carte blanche. He may not have "carte blanche", but my point is that the US lost the right to point fingers a long time ago. You don't posess the moral high ground anymore (if you ever have had it, that is). how do you lose your right..... : more WWW talk By indiscrimanately bombing countries out of existence without building a proper international consensus, that's how!!! I thought Georgia was a country also lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |
| #8 - Posted 19 September 2008, 10:42 AM | |
Location: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 9364 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. Quote: gouletcolonial previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: gouletcolonial previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Please. Either address the issue or stay out. Just because you think the U.S. has done bad things doesn't mean Chavez has carte blanche. He may not have "carte blanche", but my point is that the US lost the right to point fingers a long time ago. You don't posess the moral high ground anymore (if you ever have had it, that is). how do you lose your right..... : more WWW talk By indiscrimanately bombing countries out of existence without building a proper international consensus, that's how!!! I thought Georgia was a country also were Bosnia and Kuwait lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |
| #9 - Posted 19 September 2008, 10:44 AM | |
Location: Brazil, near Copacabana Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1547 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. [QUOTE=gouletcolonial] I thought Georgia was a country also [/QUOTE] were Bosnia and Kuwait [/QUOTE] Have you seen me cheerleading for Russia, Serbia, or Saddam's Iraq, as you're impliying with the above mentioned examples? As I stated earlier, the fact that Russia, Serbia, or Iraq have gotten out of line doesn't give the US, or any other country for that matter, a license to go on a global rampage, so to speak. Or at least, if you're going to act like thugs, stop preaching about democracy and liberty, cuz' it makes you look like filthy hypocrites. Let me ask you this, were the corrupt governments of Adeco and Copey that preceded Chavez' better than his? It may have been better for the int. oil corporations, but for the venezuelan people, it has been an entirely different history. Chavez' consecutive electoral victories (save the defeat on the last one, and that was on a very short margin at that) attest to the fact. Edited on 9/19/2008 11:02 AM by Lautaro. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #10 - Posted 19 September 2008, 11:05 AM | |
Location: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 9364 | RE: For all you Chavez lovers. Human Rights Watch exposes the truth. [QUOTE=Lautaro] [QUOTE=gouletcolonial] I thought Georgia was a country also [/QUOTE] were Bosnia and Kuwait [/QUOTE] Have you seen me cheerleading for Russia, Serbia, or Saddam's Iraq, as you're impliying with the above mentioned examples? As I stated earlier, the fact that Russia, Serbia, or Iraq have gotten out line doesn't give the US, or any other country for that matter, a license to kill. Or at least, if you're going to act like thugs, stop preaching about democracy and liberty, cuz' it makes you look like filthy hypocrites. Let me ask you this, were the corrupt governments of Adeco and Copey that preceded Chavez' better than his? It may have been better for the int. oil corporations, but for the venezuelan people, it has been an entirely different history. Chavez' consecutive electoral victories (save the defeat on the last one, and that was on a very short margin at that) attest to the fact. [/QUOTE] Are you joking....if you polled the educated people in Venezuela they would say yes emphatically ....at least they had freedom and food in the stores....an the education to discern the difference between Cuba and Puerto Rico and where they would rather be Edited on 9/19/2008 11:06 AM by gouletcolonial. lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |